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Proof That Oscar Voters Are Clueless About Animation

Shaka Zulu

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Once again, the cineastes at Cartoon Brew are angry at what won Best Picture at the Oscars as far as animation's concerned:

Imagine a world where the most high-profile animation awards were selected by individuals who had neither working knowledge nor appreciation of the animation art form.

In this world, a voter would pick the best animated short based solely on whether the film contained a dog in it or not.

In this world, a voter would identify the Irish film Song of the Sea and the Japanese film The Tale of The Princess Kaguya as “Chinese fuckin’ things,” not watch either film, and still cast a vote for the best animated feature of the year.

This is not some bizarro awards universe; it’s the world of the Academy of Motion Picture Arts & Sciences, an organization whose general membership is aggressively indifferent towards animation yet hands out three annual animation-related Oscars.

For the second year in a row, Scott Feinberg of the [Hollywood] Reporter surveyed seven Academy members about who they voted for, and their selections for the animation and vfx categories are beyond comprehension.

Proof That Oscar Voters Are Clueless About Animation

I'm of two minds about this-I think that the writers/readers of Cartoon Brew have a legitimate grudge, and I think that the Academy needs to realize that Disney isn't the only company that deserves to get Best Animated Picture Oscars every year. On the other hand, I think that they are snobs that have to realize that not everybody loves anime to bits, and that many of the Academy members quoted in the article are working professionals that have to do their jobs and raise families, and can't sit on their asses all day watching films.

Anybody got thoughts on this? Were/are they right again this year? Or were/are they wrong?
 
I wonder if Amid's changed his tune about anime lately, as he had this to say in 2000 (From the Anime Debate article from Animation World Magazine)
Having viewed so many animated films, I've developed a rather extensive and varied appetite for animation, but sadly, the majority of anime I've seen leaves a sour taste in my mouth. Still, I refuse to completely write off their output, and I sample new Japanese cartoons at every opportunity I receive. Very occasionally it pays off, such as when I discover innovative ideas and approaches to the art form as in Katsuhiro Otomo's Memories, or I find visually impressive action sequences in films such as Ninja Scroll and Akira.

The reason as to why I haven't joined the ever-growing legions of rabid "otaku," results from certain aspects of Japanese cartoons that turn me off, and surprisingly these elements remain consistent throughout all of the anime I've seen, whether it's a cheaply-produced OAV or a classy Miyazaki production. Namely, it is the unappealing and cold nature of their character designs, and the general lack of dynamics and complexity in their personality animation. The death of animation is if you don't find the characters believable because subsequently the value and effectiveness of the stories those characters are telling is diminished.

All I pray for is that the next international animation fad will be more visually stimulating and appealing.



On the subject of Kaguya itself, some might remember that previously, it was best known as appearing in this: http://muppet.wikia.com/wiki/Big_Bird_in_Japan
 
As someone that graduated from animation school (hand drawn, full disclosure, my career path is still in graphic design but limited animation) and as someone that saw the nominated shorts, I remember commenting to my friend in the theatre "As much as I hate to say it, the Disney one WAS the best of the bunch." to which he replied "Yup, they bought their Oscar". It wasn't just the visual (which I didn't think was that innovative) but the whole package.

And I also hate dogs. :lol:

But I've also never been that much into anime. So I admit to bringing a bias. Everything always seemed so static to me. Animation AND characters.
 
For my part, I think that deciding what gets awarded at the Oscars could be fixed like this:

*All of the people who select the Oscars will be paid employees of the Academy (no professionals, since most of the pros mentioned in the article are usually 'too busy') who would be the only ones with the power to nominate what films are to be awarded (there would be about 400-500 people employed thus, paid out of a special fund set up by the academy and the major studios, as well as donations)

*These people would be cineastes who are knowledgeable about all film, and about all genres of film (as opposed to the people mentioned in the article who know nothing about film at all-there would be a rigorous selection process for the job as well)

*These people's jobs would be to watch all of the films in a given year in the genre that they're a specialist in (horror, sci-fi, drama, comedy, romance, war, documentary, action/adventure, animation [including anime], and foreign)

* As with the first point, what these people decide is final.​

I know that this sounds drastic, but it might soothe some ruffled feathers.

As well, the Oscars need to do this, too:

In need of a new script: Five ways to
liven up the Oscars


The recent list of Oscar nominees is unbelievably dull. Here are five ways to liven up the voting.

By Martin Morrow Wednesday, January 16th, 2013*

When the nominations for the 2013 Academy Awards were announced last week, film pundits responded with words like “surprising,” “unpredictable,” and even “shock and awe.” It was a rather pathetic attempt to stir up some excitement over so-called snubs, like the absence of Argo’s Ben Affleck and Zero Dark Thirty’s Kathryn Bigelow from the Best Director category. The fact is, while the winners are a toss-up, the nominees for this year’s Oscars are exactly what you’d expect. Look at the front-runners: a Steven Spielberg–directed biopic starring Daniel Day-Lewis as Abraham Lincoln; the screen version of a beloved Broadway musical; and a movie by Hollywood golden boy Quentin Tarantino. Not a lot of shock and awe there. Shock and awe would be if Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter had made the cut.

The only controversy might involve The Master. P.T. Anderson’s transcendent drama, loosely based on
the life of L. Ron Hubbard, was at the top of many critics’ best-of-2012 lists, but it’s conspicuously absent from the Best Picture ballot. (Scientology conspiracy, anyone?) The problem is that the major categories continue to be dominated by a small clique of “cool kids,” while the rest of the industry gets short shrift. The nerds are thrown a bone in the form of technical awards and the misfits are simply ignored.

The Oscars know that they’re seen as too snobby. Two years after the 2008 ceremony hit an all-time viewership low, the Academy expanded the Best Picture nominees from five to a possible 10 in order to recognize more popular movies and indie fare. The show itself embarked on a string of embarrassing efforts to appear young and hip (see: James Franco co-hosting), leading to some of the worst Oscar telecasts ever. Nothing, however, has changed. What the awards need aren't half-measures, but a serious rethink. With that in mind, here are a few modest proposals that might make the Oscars less exclusive, less predictable, and a lot more fun.

*Bar past winners from the competition.

Do we really need to see icons like Spielberg and Day-Lewis nominated over and over again, when they already have two or more Oscars cluttering their shelves? Remove shoo-in Day-Lewis from this year’s Best Actor contest and it actually becomes interesting. In his place you could put Jack Black. He gave an exquisitely crafted tragi-comic performance as the closeted gay undertaker in Bernie. But because that film was released last spring, it seemingly wasn't on the Academy’s radar. Which leads us to…

*Start the Oscar race eight months earlier—not on the opening night of TIFF.

Studios and distributors save up their Oscar hopefuls for the fall and winter, even though the awards officially represent the entire year’s crop of pictures. This renders the eight months before TIFF rolls around as a kind of awards dead zone. Just look at two of the best comedies released last summer: Wes Anderson’s much-loved Moonrise Kingdom and Zoe Kazan’s charming post-mod rom-com, Ruby Sparks. Moonrise got one Oscar nod—for Best Original Screenplay. Ruby Sparks got zilch.

*Make it mandatory that at least one superhero or action star has to be nominated each year.


Actor Javier Bardem, in an interview last fall on CBC Radio’s Q, said it best: Whether he’s starring in an Oscar winner like No Country for Old Men or playing the Bond villain in Skyfall, when the camera starts rolling, he’s doing the same job. Yet at the Oscars there’s an entrenched idea that performances in films deemed serious and/or artistic are somehow superior to others. Rare exceptions, like Heath Ledger’s posthumous trophy for The Dark Knight, prove the rule. In maintaining that attitude, the Academy passes over some terrific acting in genre flicks. Where was Robert Downey Jr.’s Oscar nom for 2008’s Iron Man? Where is Daniel Craig’s for rejuvenating James Bond?

*Turn “Best Foreign-Language Film” into “Best Foreign Film.”

This year’s nomination of Kim Nguyen’s Rebelle (War Witch) marks the third time in a row that a French-Canadian film has made the foreign shortlist. That’s wonderful, but what about Canada’s English-speaking films? Drop the ridiculous language restriction and brilliant indie auteurs like Guy Maddin might finally get a crack at the Oscar big-time.

*Let Ricky Gervais host the telecast.

Family Guy creator Seth MacFarlane has been tapped to host this year’s gala, suggesting the show is looking for a little edge. But what the ailing Oscarcast really needs is a big dose of Ricky Gervais. The British comedian’s wicked three-year stint hosting (or was it roasting?) the Golden Globes was the best thing ever to happen to those second-tier awards. Sic him on the Oscars and watch the ratings soar.

*Don't bother looking for the original link, it's been deleted.-Shaka
 
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Even if you don't compare Big Hero 6 to Kaguya or Song of the Sea, the film was just average. Honestly I felt The Lego Movie should've won but it wasn't even nominated. The judges saying it wasn't an animated film. Despite it being a mix of cgi and stop motion animation. I don't even think they even watched the film before they decided to decline it's nomination.

It's been said that those who sit in judgement of animated movies at the Oscars don't actually watch what they judge and instead vote their biases/what is familiar. I.E. brand names like Disney and Pixar.

Here are the trailers for Kaguya and Song of the Sea. Just looking at them you can tell each studio put a lot of work in to them. I believe both are available on dvd and digital download if you wanted to watch them.

[yt]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lDrkokymLQ[/yt]

[yt]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HgbXWt8kM5Q[/yt]
 
Even if you don't compare Big Hero 6 to Kaguya or Song of the Sea, the film was just average. Honestly I felt The Lego Movie should've won but it wasn't even nominated. The judges saying it wasn't an animated film. Despite it being a mix of cgi and stop motion animation. I don't even think they even watched the film before they decided to decline it's nomination.

It's been said that those who sit in judgement of animated movies at the Oscars don't actually watch what they judge and instead vote their biases/what is familiar. I.E. brand names like Disney and Pixar.

Here are the trailers for Kaguya and Song of the Sea. Just looking at them you can tell each studio put a lot of work in to them. I believe both are available on dvd and digital download if you wanted to watch them.

[yt]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lDrkokymLQ[/yt]

[yt]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HgbXWt8kM5Q[/yt]

These are great films, and now I know why the readers and writers at Cartoon Brew were pissed off-thanks for posting them.

Anime getting snubbed is nothing new really. Even if it gets nominated it's usually only Ghibli things. Granted some Ghibli stuff is great, but there is lots of other great animated films from Japan from other studios as well.

I wish they would recognize works like Redline, Sword of the Stranger, Summer Wars, Paprika, or The Garden of Sinners films, personally.

Me too, Paprika in particular.
 
Satoshi Kon works should be mandatory for the Oscar people to develop good taste and show them that animation doesn't have be kids stuff. :techman:

Too bad he's no longer among the living to make more. :(
 
I think there are a lot of valid points here, but this is not unique to animated films. In any given year, the damn near entirety of the nominations (perhaps with the exception of the technical awards) could be replaced with better and more deserving independent films from the U.S. as well as around the world.

The studios campaign for Oscar nominations and votes the same way that politicians do and often the movies that have the most money thrown behind them during this campaign are the winners. Michael Keaton did not win best actor because he didn't play the campaign game.
 
Has anyone here actually seen all five films? I saw Big Hero 6 yesterday and I think my biggest knock is that it's formulaic to a fault but it's got some really beautiful visuals. It's not pushing any envelopes but what's there is AAA.

I think what it comes down to more than the voters just being clueless is more the general attitude that they're just kids movies and treated as such. For both the obnoxious voter mentioning the "freaking Chinese" movies and the one who watched all five it came down to which one their kids liked most. I don't get the sense that they see the category as even being worth getting educated about.
 
Anime getting snubbed is nothing new really. Even if it gets nominated it's usually only Ghibli things. Granted some Ghibli stuff is great, but there is lots of other great animated films from Japan from other studios as well.

I wish they would recognize works like Redline, Sword of the Stranger, Summer Wars, Paprika, or The Garden of Sinners films, personally.

I love anime, but most of these films (minus the Satoshi Kon flick) just don't have any serious artistic merit to them. Especially Summer Wars that was just the Digimon Movie repackaged by the same director !

And given their willingness to honor Miyazaki with a lifetime Oscar, I don't think the Academy is biased again anime. It's just the recent material (even from even Ghibli) is weak or made to pander to the base denominator. Frozen is overrated, but Wind Rises wasn't very good. There is a reason that Frozen beat Wind Rises and everything else at the Japanese boxoffice.
 
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Art is just the cover of the book, and I found it doesn't really matter to me after seeing several works I fully admit have ugly art but I still gave them top marks. With me, story and characters carry far more weight. I like the art in all of those I mentioned except Redline.

As far as Miyazaki and Ghibli it's not really my thing. I've seen most of them and they were mostly just "okay" except for 7 titles I'd consider standouts. I did not like The Wind Rises that much either.
 
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Art is just the cover of the book, and I found it doesn't really matter to me after seeing several works I fully admit have ugly art but I still gave them top marks. With me story and characters carry far more weight. I like the art in all of those except Redline.

Funnily enough, for me Redline is almost all about the art. I don't agree with art being the cover of the book, art is like the prose of the book. The art is the medium by which the story is conveyed. I've liked some movies (animated or not) almost completely for the art and I've liked some for the stories and ideas but usually it's a mixture of both. Music, acting, the whole thing has to be considered.
 
Just keep your expectations low.
It's not like the people who decide on the Oscar winners are good for anything else.
 
I love anime, but most of these films (minus the Satoshi Kon flick) just don't have any serious artistic merit to them. Especially Summer Wars that was just the Digimon Movie repackaged by the same director !

And given their willingness to honor Miyazaki with a lifetime Oscar, I don't think the Academy is biased again anime. It's just the recent material (even from even Ghibli) is weak or made to pander to the base denominator. Frozen is overrated, but Wind Rises wasn't very good. There is a reason that Frozen beat Wind Rises and everything else at the Japanese boxoffice.

Art is just the cover of the book, and I found it doesn't really matter to me after seeing several works I fully admit have ugly art but I still gave them top marks. With me, story and characters carry far more weight. I like the art in all of those I mentioned except Redline.

As far as Miyazaki and Ghibli it's not really my thing. I've seen most of them and they were mostly just "okay" except for 7 titles I'd consider standouts. I did not like The Wind Rises that much either.

But we aren't talking about last years Oscars. This year Disney's Big Hero 6 beat Ghibli's Tale of Princess Kaguya. Big Hero 6 just seemed so average compared to the films it beat. Maybe it's because of all the anime I've watched and when I see something that is obviously inspired by anime made by Westerners like Big Hero or anything that has comes from The Wachowskis. If it doesn't blow me away or introduce some unique twist, I'm eager to call it a Japanese forgery.
 
The Oscars lost all credibility when The Lego Movie didn't get nominated. That was among the greatest films of all time.
 
Maybe because of it's toy connection? Although the other entries with the exception of Kaguya and a song of the sea have a lot of merchandise...but it seems a bit different.
 
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