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Superman: The Live Action TV Series

Which Superman do you find the best?


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^Note that he said "try to film the movie first." The movie was intended to be filmed before the series, but then ABC moved up the premiere date for the series, so they had to go ahead with the series first and postpone the movie until after season one had been wrapped.
 
In a couple of foreign countries Batman: The Movie did hit theaters before the TV series began to air, but in the US the original intent was to film the movie first, so that they could release the movie during the summer (and create visuals that they would've reused during the series, such as the Bat-copter flying over the city that were more affordable on a movie budget than a TV series budget) and have it create build up for the TV show's debut in the fall. However, ABC wouldn't approve the budget if the movie was shot first.
 
^Which is why we never saw the Batcopter and Batboat on the show until the second season (and then pretty much only in stock footage from the film).

It's also probably why Batman and Robin don't recognize Catwoman in the movie even though they'd seen her without her mask in the first season -- because the story was supposed to come earlier.
 
^Yeah, which helps sell it; but in-story, she was supposed to be the Catwoman, the notorious feline felon who was still at large. Ditto when Catwoman became Eartha Kitt in season 3 -- it was never suggested that a different woman had taken over the mantle from a previous Catwoman. (And then there was that time John Astin played the Riddler, but we generally try to forget that...)
 
It's hard for me to tell because I haven't seen the complete series in any of the shows.

I've seen:

1) Adventures of Superman Season 1 & 2

2) Lois & Clark Season 1 and part of 2.

3) Smallville Season 1 and scattered episodes after that.

Never seen Superboy, though I'm curious because it's connected to the Salkinds, who were behind the first three Superman movies, which I love. (Yes, I love SIII too.)

They all have cool stuff.

L&C was a fun 1st season, but I understand it fell apart after Season 2. I personally stopped watching it after Season 2 because I hated that they replaced the first Jimmy Olsen. I loved Dean Cain's Clark. A wonderful Clark for the 1990s. His Superman was hot and cold.

I enjoyed Smallville and would like to finish watching the show.

I would have to go with Adventures.

When I couldn't watch the Chris Reeve movies, I would settle for this show. But I didn't really appreciate it until recently. I loved George Reeves interpretation.
 
(Yes, I love SIII too.)

Superman III is actually my favorite. It's more consistent in tone and approach than the first two, in some ways more cohesive in its storytelling. It's not as serious as we like our superheroes to be today, but it captures the bizarre goofiness of the Silver Age comics quite well. It has some excellent action sequences, especially the chemical plant rescue. Plus Annette O'Toole is radiant as Lana Lang, and Robert Vaughn's Ross Webster makes a better Lex Luthor than Hackman's Luthor ever did, a prototype for the industrialist Luthor of the post-Crisis comics.


L&C was a fun 1st season, but I understand it fell apart after Season 2. I personally stopped watching it after Season 2 because I hated that they replaced the first Jimmy Olsen.

I stuck with the series through the bitter end (though I wish I hadn't), but I really hated the recasting of Jimmy. Michael Landes was cool and charismatic and fun; Justin Whalen... was opaque to light and capable of movement and speech.


When I couldn't watch the Chris Reeve movies, I would settle for this show. But I didn't really appreciate it until recently. I loved George Reeves interpretation.

I'm thinking of revisiting the Reeves show once I'm done with the radio show, to compare them.
 
In a couple of foreign countries Batman: The Movie did hit theaters before the TV series began to air, but in the US the original intent was to film the movie first, so that they could release the movie during the summer (and create visuals that they would've reused during the series, such as the Bat-copter flying over the city that were more affordable on a movie budget than a TV series budget) and have it create build up for the TV show's debut in the fall. However, ABC wouldn't approve the budget if the movie was shot first.
Adam West doesn't say anything in Back to the Batcave that I remember about the movie intended to be filmed first, but perhaps he wasn't privy to that information, and the book does have some minor errors anyway. The series began as a mid-season replacement airing in January, and Batmania was definitely a big thing then, it was everywhere (from personal experience). After the first season ended, I think they had two weeks off, then immediately started on the film. Julie Newmar couldn't reprise Catwoman because she was filming Mackenna's Gold with Gregory Peck and Ted Cassidy. Julie was West's favorite, because they were both single, the same age, and she enjoyed flirting with him.
 
Adam West doesn't say anything in Back to the Batcave that I remember about the movie intended to be filmed first, but perhaps he wasn't privy to that information, and the book does have some minor errors anyway. The series began as a mid-season replacement airing in January, and Batmania was definitely a big thing then, it was everywhere (from personal experience). After the first season ended, I think they had two weeks off, then immediately started on the film. Julie Newmar couldn't reprise Catwoman because she was filming Mackenna's Gold with Gregory Peck and Ted Cassidy. Julie was West's favorite, because they were both single, the same age, and she enjoyed flirting with him.

On the 2001 commentary track to the movie Adam West and Burt award discuss it, and in the additional features it's discussed, plus in 2008? When the Blu-Ray of the film came out, the screenwriter talked about it during his commentary track.

But aside from one scene where Batman and Robin land in some garbage cans (I remember seeing it on a French channel back in the early-1990's while channel surfing, so I couldn't understand and wasn't interested in watching a French-speaking show), I've never seen an episode of the series, so it'll be interesting to watch the Blu-Rays when they come out.
 
This tangent is reminding me of an early 90s Simpsons guest appearance (IIRC) in which Adam West scoffs at the idea of Michelle Pfeiffer as Catwoman. "Everybody knows that the only real Catwoman is Julie Newmar...or Lee Meriwether...or Eartha Kitt...."
 
L&C was a fun 1st season, but I understand it fell apart after Season 2. I personally stopped watching it after Season 2 because I hated that they replaced the first Jimmy Olsen.
I stuck with the series through the bitter end (though I wish I hadn't), but I really hated the recasting of Jimmy. Michael Landes was cool and charismatic and fun; Justin Whalen... was opaque to light and capable of movement and speech.

When I couldn't watch the Chris Reeve movies, I would settle for this show. But I didn't really appreciate it until recently. I loved George Reeves interpretation.
I'm thinking of revisiting the Reeves show once I'm done with the radio show, to compare them.

I agree with you on Justin Whalen. The story goes that they replaced Landes with him because Landes looked too much like Cain, but I never bought that. I always thought that Whalen looked so much like Cain that he could pass for Cain's younger brother. The only thing Cain and Landes had in common was black hair.

As far as the radio series (which I am also listening to currently) goes, I read somewhere (I don't remember where anymore) that the George Reeves cast based their performances on the Bud Collyer cast, at least at first.
 
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(Yes, I love SIII too.)

Superman III is actually my favorite. It's more consistent in tone and approach than the first two, in some ways more cohesive in its storytelling. It's not as serious as we like our superheroes to be today, but it captures the bizarre goofiness of the Silver Age comics quite well. It has some excellent action sequences, especially the chemical plant rescue. Plus Annette O'Toole is radiant as Lana Lang, and Robert Vaughn's Ross Webster makes a better Lex Luthor than Hackman's Luthor ever did, a prototype for the industrialist Luthor of the post-Crisis comics.

I also enjoyed Supergirl. Everyone hates the movie, but being an 80s kid allowed me to enjoy movies like this and Return to Oz.

Robert Vaughn has one of the movie's best lines, "I asked you to kill Superman, and you're telling me you couldn't even do that one simple thing."

I wouldn't go so far as say he was better than Hackman. These days, with the advent of more serious comic book films, it has become trendier to criticize Hackman's over-the-top performance in a movie that was otherwise done seriously, (verisimilitude, according to director Richard Donner), but he gave the role a little color that was absent in the character of Ross Webster. Still, Hackman's performance is "dated". Or I should say, the interpretation of the character is dated.

Superman II is my second favorite movie ever. I love the first Superman movie too, but its Krypton and Smallville scenes are too grim for me to enjoy the movie on a regular basis. However, SII had the behind the scenes fiasco that resulted in some changes in tone and special effects that. So I agree: SIII is the most consistent in tone. It's great to see some SIII love.


I'm thinking of revisiting the Reeves show once I'm done with the radio show, to compare them.

You gotta see that first season episode, where the villains discover Superman's secret identity.
 
I wouldn't go so far as say [Vaughn] was better than Hackman. These days, with the advent of more serious comic book films, it has become trendier to criticize Hackman's over-the-top performance in a movie that was otherwise done seriously, (verisimilitude, according to director Richard Donner), but he gave the role a little color that was absent in the character of Ross Webster. Still, Hackman's performance is "dated". Or I should say, the interpretation of the character is dated.

I'm talking about the conceptions of the characters, not the performances. Hackman did a great job, but the character of Lex as conceived in the films was dreadfully lame, just some weird guy who lived underground, had no organization beyond one idiot and one sexpot, and was bizarrely obsessed with real estate. He didn't really come across as a credible threat for Superman; how could these three doofuses pull off all the megacrimes they committed in the film? But Ross Webster was a successful, evil multigajillionaire with a huge, global organization and immense resources at his beck and call, so it was far more credible that he could manage to be a serious threat to Superman. And as I said, he was a prototype of sorts for the corporate magnate character Luthor himself became in the comics a few years later. So Webster, as a character, was more successful at being Lex Luthor than Luthor himself was.
 
I also loved the alternate universe stories in this series were Lois was dead

It seemed to be ambiguous whether she was dead or not.

http://www.springfieldspringfield.c...the-new-adventures-of-superman&episode=s04e15

If my Lois had lived, my world would be a better place.
Especially for me.
I've been meaning to ask you she was lost in the Congo before you two even met? Which is strange.
You know, missing someone that you've never even met.
I tried to find her but that's impossible.

I stuck with the series through the bitter end (though I wish I hadn't), but I really hated the recasting of Jimmy. Michael Landes was cool and charismatic and fun; Justin Whalen... was opaque to light and capable of movement and speech.

And the irony of casting Justin Whalen, because Michael Landes apparently looked too much like Dean Cain and then later having a season 4 episode where Jimmy was mistaken for Superman.
 
I wouldn't go so far as say [Vaughn] was better than Hackman. These days, with the advent of more serious comic book films, it has become trendier to criticize Hackman's over-the-top performance in a movie that was otherwise done seriously, (verisimilitude, according to director Richard Donner), but he gave the role a little color that was absent in the character of Ross Webster. Still, Hackman's performance is "dated". Or I should say, the interpretation of the character is dated.

I'm talking about the conceptions of the characters, not the performances. Hackman did a great job, but the character of Lex as conceived in the films was dreadfully lame, just some weird guy who lived underground, had no organization beyond one idiot and one sexpot, and was bizarrely obsessed with real estate. He didn't really come across as a credible threat for Superman; how could these three doofuses pull off all the megacrimes they committed in the film? But Ross Webster was a successful, evil multigajillionaire with a huge, global organization and immense resources at his beck and call, so it was far more credible that he could manage to be a serious threat to Superman. And as I said, he was a prototype of sorts for the corporate magnate character Luthor himself became in the comics a few years later. So Webster, as a character, was more successful at being Lex Luthor than Luthor himself was.

I actually agree with you.

One of the things I didn't like about Superman Returns was that I felt Lex should've been more of the CEO type from the more modern comics, but he remained a goofy character.

I just feel Ross should've had just a tad more color to his character.

As much as I love Vaughn in general (and enjoyed his Webster), I did find myself missing Hackman's Luthor whenever I've watched SIII as a kid/teenager/adult. Maybe not as much anymore. I think it was Hackman's energy.
 
This seems like a good place to plug that Me-TV is adding The Adventures of Superman to its Saturday evening lineup in September. Assuming Batman and Wonder Woman are staying in their current spots, it seems that they're going for a superhero block.
 
I also enjoyed Supergirl. Everyone hates the movie, but being an 80s kid allowed me to enjoy movies like this and Return to Oz.

I only saw Supergirl back in 2001 when Anchor Bay released their special edition version that contained the American version and the International version. Was the American version ever a mess, but the International version made a lot more sense.

Superman II is my second favorite movie ever. I love the first Superman movie too, but its Krypton and Smallville scenes are too grim for me to enjoy the movie on a regular basis. You gotta see that first season episode, where the villains discover Superman's secret identity.

Superman II I found to have been the worst of the movie series. I just never felt that General Zod was a good match for Superman. Sure he was from Krypton, but he was one of the most boring Superman villains ever. And Richard Lester's take on him didn't help either; out of the 2 films, the Donner version was the better of the 2. But out of all the movies and TV shows the Richard Donner version of Superman II had the best reveal of Superman/Clark Kent to Lois Lane (even though the only surviving footage of it is test footage).

But with the Reeves episode (The Stolen Costume) it is a great episode, although I guess Warner's wasn't able to find a better film copy of the episode, since I found that it was the worst looking of all the episodes on the Season 1 DVD set. It looked like Warner's had only been able to find a very scratched and dirty 16mm and either didn't clean it or only did a half-cleaning.
 
I actually didn't care for the Donner version of the reveal.

I know we never got to see it come to fruition, with only test screening footage giving us any inclination as to how the scene played out, but the idea behind it seems a bit TOO silly.

Lois shooting Clark seems like a rather extreme example, even for Lois, and surely Superman would be able to tell whether a bullet was actually fired.

Superman tripping over the pink bear was clumsy, but clumsy I can believe before the shooting.

That's just me though.

Hey, by the way, Tom, did you really think Superman II was worse than Superman IV?
 
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