The Omega Glory

[EnriqueH]

A few weeks back, I saw Omega Glory for the first time in about 20 years or so, (maybe longer).

I thought the episode started EXTREMELY well, and even began wondering why people thought it was so bad, but then it got progressively worse as the episode wore on. By the end, I thought the episode was kinda like Star Trek Insurrection: starts well, but falls apart. In another words, a misfire.

However, I saw the episode again tonight, (because I started watching the show in production order), and I thought it was pretty entertaining!

Shit, I can say I actually liked it!

I liked and was intrigued by Captain Ron Tracey. I can't believe he beat up Kirk fair and square the first time around!!!

The climax of the movie laid it on pretty thick, but maybe because I knew what to expect this time around, it didn't come across quite as badly.

Any thoughts?

 

[The Old Mixer]

Kirk reciting the preamble is priceless. Yeah, it's cheese...who doesn't like cheese?

 

[Corylea]

I thought the first three-quarters of the episode was excellent, but that last quarter was painful. I can't imagine what international Star Trek fans think when they see Kirk practically worshiping the US flag and the preamble to the Constitution, and it's all the more wince-worthy given that Mr. Shatner is Canadian. If he managed to say those lines with such enthusiasm, the man really IS a great actor. ;-)

I think well of the US Constitution, myself, but the rah-rah jingoism at the end of this episode is so over-the-top as to be painful, at least to me.

 

[Commishsleer]

I thought the good in this episode outweighed the bad.

Yes the parallel Earth parts don't make sense but that's just a part of TOS cost cutting.

I thought Captain Tracey was a good villain.

 

[BillJ]

One of my personal favorites.

I think well of the US Constitution, myself, but the rah-rah jingoism at the end of this episode is so over-the-top as to be painful, at least to me.

Who cares? It was made in the 1960's for American audiences.

 

[The Old Mixer]

More rah-rah jingoism:

[yt]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30OyU4O80i4[/yt]

 

[Green Shirt]

^I would love to hear Shatner give "I'm Just a Bill" a go.

BTW, the video shows the little colonial girl couldn't vote presumably because she was too short to reach the ballot box?

 

[Melakon]

Women in the United States weren't guaranteed the right to vote until 1920.

 

[Green Shirt]

^Indeed.

 

[Metryq]

Yeah, it's cheese...who doesn't like cheese?

 

[Maurice]

Jingoism means extreme chauvinism or nationalism marked especially in the form of aggressive or warlike foreign policy. It's easy to take a shot and say Kirk is rah rahing 'murica, but, in fact, he's calling these people out on the fact that they're not living up to the words they worship because they've lost understanding of the words. "They must apply to everyone or they mean nothing!" Sure, it's ham-fisted, but he's not advocating acting in violence to protect the Yang nation, he's saying quite the opposite.

And Schoolhouse rock may be deliberately naive and sugar-coated to the point of spreading falsehood (women on juries in colonial times? little girls trying to vote?), but it's hardly jingoism.

 

[The Old Mixer]

Jingoism means extreme chauvinism or nationalism marked especially in the form of aggressive or warlike foreign policy. It's easy to take a shot and say Kirk is rah rahing 'murica, but, in fact, he's calling these people out on the fact that they're not living up to the words they worship because they've lost understanding of the words. "They must apply to everyone or they mean nothing!" Sure, it's ham-fisted, but he's not advocating acting in violence to protect the Yang nation, he's saying quite the opposite.

And Schoolhouse rock may be deliberately naive and sugar-coated to the point of spreading falsehood (women on juries in colonial times? little girls trying to vote?), but it's hardly jingoism.

Um...duh? I was responding jokingly/sarcastically to the same post that you're responding to in the first part of your post.

 

[T'Girl]

Women in the United States weren't guaranteed the right to vote until 1920.

Depends on which state you're referring to. In September of 1889, Wyoming changed it's constitution to include women having the right to vote.

Prior to the 19th amendment women had the right to vote in all the western states and about half of the midwest. In my own state of Washington, women had the right to vote before we even became a state.

The 19th amendment effected mostly the east coast and the old south.

 

[Maurice]

Um...duh? I was responding jokingly/sarcastically to the same post that you're responding to in the first part of your post.

It was a general comment, since people routinely misuse the the word, and I was afraid some might take you literally as to Schoolhouse Rock.

 

[Melakon]

Depends on which state you're referring to.

Since I didn't mention individual states, it should have been clear that I was referring to the country as a whole.

 

[EnriqueH]

Spock! I'll have you out in a minute! ::POW!::

 

[Terran_Empire]

Whatever happened to the Exeter? Did (could) they somehow decontaminate it and reissue it for service or is it still a ghost ship in orbit over Omega IV?

 

[EnriqueH]

Is there a Captain Tracey novel?

 

[Destructor]

I can't imagine what international Star Trek fans think when they see Kirk practically worshiping the US flag and the preamble to the Constitution

I can. I hate this episode. I absolutely hate it. Agree with a lot of the comments that it starts well. But I will never, ever watch it again. It's beyond risible.

 

[Push The Button]

Whatever happened to the Exeter? Did (could) they somehow decontaminate it and reissue it for service or is it still a ghost ship in orbit over Omega IV?

In TNG:Starship Mine, Enterprise-D is subjected to a Baryon Sweep, which has a side effect of destroying all organic life on the ship that is being "swept". If that procedure, or something similar, existed in the TOS era, I don't see why it couldn't have been used to decontaminate the Exeter. A group of "cleanup" bots could have been beamed aboard to safely remove the remains of the crew.

If not, then I could see Starfleet ordering the Exeter to be destroyed so it couldn't fall into enemy hands, if for no other reason.