Weather...

[Warped9]

Every so often we hear someone say, "I don't think I've ever seen it so cold!" or so windy or so hot or so rainy or whatever. But when you see weather records (seen often enough on the Weather Channel) you see that it has indeed been that cold, that rainy, the windy or whatever before.

I think we tend to forget the weather of years past unless it was something truly unusual that affected us directly in some way. Particularly weather on a daily basis.

One thing I am thankful for is that I live in a temperate area. No matter how severe I've seen it get occasionally it's nothing compared to the grief visited upon those exposed to tornadoes and hurricanes and floods and the like. Or places in the world where scores of homes and lives are swept away in mudslidesor threatened by volcanoes. And it would have to be the mother of all tsunamis to reach where I live so far from the east coast. I cannot imagine the horror some people must have to go through because of weather.

Just a thought that occurs to me every so often.

 

[RoJoHen]

For me it's usually the other way around. People talk about how cold/hot/whatever the weather is, and I step outside and think, "This is nothing."

 

[MacLeod]

There is also the matter of how we feel tempature can change as we get older.

 

[Warped9]

For me it's usually the other way around. People talk about how cold/hot/whatever the weather is, and I step outside and think, "This is nothing."

Yes, I often experience this. You'd think more people in Canada would be hardier when it comes to weather. Particularly in winter when they see a few flakes and start to fret.

There is also the matter of how we feel tempature can change as we get older.

True. Mind you, I feel the cold less than when I was younger.

 

[Miss Chicken]

Australia has certainly been going through a period of much hotter weather than experience before. Earlier this year the Weather Bureau in Australia had to bring out new map colours for extreme temperatures that had never been recorded before (dark purple and magenta to its colour-coded weather forecasting map to represent temperatures of 51 to 54 degrees Celsius - 123.8F to 129.2F)

As far as Tasmania is concerned, 2013 started with Hobart having its highest temperature of 41.8C (107C) since records started in 1886. With the high temperatures came bushfires with the loss of over 100 homes. The bushfire season in Tasmania started in November and there were fires until late April. Once bushfires really only occurred here in January and February.

The whole year has had warmer temperatures overall.

Winter temperatures were warmer than average in Hobart, by +1.4 °C for maximum temperatures and by +1.0 °C for minimum temperatures. There were an unusually high number of warm days during winter; the temperature rose to 16 °C or more on 23 days, which is six times the winter average of 4 days. There were also more mild nights than usual; the temperature remained at 10 °C or above on 8 days, almost triple the winter average of 3 days. The coldest morning was on the 21st when the temperate dropped to −0.4 °C, Hobart's coldest winter morning in 18 years.
Hobart recorded 213.4 mm of rain, close to 50 mm above the winter average of 159.5 mm. Almost half of this was recorded in July. The wettest day was 21 July when 43 mm was recorded over the 24 hours to 9am on the 22nd, associated with a cold front. It rained on 46 days, which is 1 day above average for winter.

Warm wet winters followed by dry hot summer seems to be becoming the norm for many Australian states and it is the perfect recipes for bad fires.

 

[CorporalClegg]

That's not always true. For example, I more or less said "This is the hottest I've ever been," several times this past summer. And, in fact, Albuquerque had its worst heat wave it has had in my lifetime, let alone the ten years I've lived here.

While there was no single extreme temperature (I think the highest recorded high was 108/42.), there was a period of almost nine weeks were the daily high never went below 95/35.

That constant and continual heat can really mess with your perceptions.

 

[Kelthaz]

It's just small talk. You're taking it too literally.

 

[Owain Taggart]

Well, I don't think records take into account wind chill or humidex, and those can make a rather big difference in how temperature is perceived. For example, one day might be -15 below and be fairly mild, and another day might also be -15 but have the added effect of wind or dampness in the air which makes it feel much colder.

 

[Davros]

Everybody seems willing to talk about the weather, but nobody seems willing to do anything about it.

 

[Warped9]

Well, I don't think records take into account wind chill or humidex, and those can make a rather big difference in how temperature is perceived. For example, one day might be -15 below and be fairly mild, and another day might also be -15 but have the added effect of wind or dampness in the air which makes it feel much colder.

True. Although I do hear weather reports refering to wind chill and humidity.

 

[Warped9]

Everybody seems willing to talk about the weather, but nobody seems willing to do anything about it.

Evidence is coming to light that a lot of the data from climatologists and others pushing human activity as the key cause of climate change was either misinterpreted or flat out fabricated. Have we had an effect? Possibly. Are we the main cause? Highly suspect.

Mars is also undergoing climate change. Are we responsible for that, too? Planets are susceptible to effects far beyond our influence such as the star they orbit and what part of the galaxy the solar system might be traversing.

And lets be candid here. No one is going to get the societies of our planet to bring everything to a grinding halt and turn back to an agrarian like existence. Ain't goinna happen.

There is a great deal about planetary climate we don't understand to realistically expect we could plunge headlong into trying to halt it. We might conceivably really mess it up. Also historical and other records show the Earth has gone through warming periods long before industrialization came along and some of those periods were warmer than what we're experiencing now. In a few hundred years we could experience another cycle of colder weather.

 

[MacLeod]

Well, I don't think records take into account wind chill or humidex, and those can make a rather big difference in how temperature is perceived. For example, one day might be -15 below and be fairly mild, and another day might also be -15 but have the added effect of wind or dampness in the air which makes it feel much colder.

-15 is never mild, if it I had to go out in -15 I would be getting on gloves, scarf. thermal underwear, a warm jumper and a heavy coat. The ground would be frozen solid. It's being hovering around 3-4C the last few mornings when I've had to go. Not quite bad enough for gloves etc.. just yet.

Everybody seems willing to talk about the weather, but nobody seems willing to do anything about it.

The weather is a fairly neutral topic so can serve as a friendly way to initate conversation.

-15 is never mild, if it I had to go out in -15 I would be getting on gloves, scarf. thermal underwear, a warm jumper and a heavy coat. The ground would be forzoen sold

 

[Owain Taggart]

Well, I don't think records take into account wind chill or humidex, and those can make a rather big difference in how temperature is perceived. For example, one day might be -15 below and be fairly mild, and another day might also be -15 but have the added effect of wind or dampness in the air which makes it feel much colder.

True. Although I do hear weather reports refering to wind chill and humidity.

Reports, yes, but historical records, not so much I don't think. They just tend to list the flat record. Hence why you'd feel it's colder or hotter than what it actually states for any given day.

-15 is never mild, if it I had to go out in -15 I would be getting on gloves, scarf. thermal underwear, a warm jumper and a heavy coat. The ground would be frozen solid. It's being hovering around 3-4C the last few mornings when I've had to go. Not quite bad enough for gloves etc.. just yet.

True enough, but point is that it's all relative in how it's felt. Could be colder than the actual temperature listed on any given day due to humidity in the air or wind.

 

[M'Sharak]

Everybody seems willing to talk about the weather, but nobody seems willing to do anything about it.

The weather is a fairly neutral topic so can serve as a friendly way to initate conversation.

I believe Davros may have been paraphrasing an observation frequently attributed to Mark Twain.

 

[Amaris]

Everybody seems willing to talk about the weather, but nobody seems willing to do anything about it.

Evidence is coming to light that a lot of the data from climatologists and others pushing human activity as the key cause of climate change was either misinterpreted or flat out fabricated. Have we had an effect? Possibly. Are we the main cause? Highly suspect.

Mars is also undergoing climate change. Are we responsible for that, too? Planets are susceptible to effects far beyond our influence such as the star they orbit and what part of the galaxy the solar system might be traversing.

And lets be candid here. No one is going to get the societies of our planet to bring everything to a grinding halt and turn back to an agrarian like existence. Ain't goinna happen.

There is a great deal about planetary climate we don't understand to realistically expect we could plunge headlong into trying to halt it. We might conceivably really mess it up. Also historical and other records show the Earth has gone through warming periods long before industrialization came along and some of those periods were warmer than what we're experiencing now. In a few hundred years we could experience another cycle of colder weather.

Cite sources, please.

 

[Awesome Possum]

Everybody seems willing to talk about the weather, but nobody seems willing to do anything about it.

Evidence is coming to light that a lot of the data from climatologists and others pushing human activity as the key cause of climate change was either misinterpreted or flat out fabricated. Have we had an effect? Possibly. Are we the main cause? Highly suspect.

Mars is also undergoing climate change. Are we responsible for that, too? Planets are susceptible to effects far beyond our influence such as the star they orbit and what part of the galaxy the solar system might be traversing.

And lets be candid here. No one is going to get the societies of our planet to bring everything to a grinding halt and turn back to an agrarian like existence. Ain't goinna happen.

There is a great deal about planetary climate we don't understand to realistically expect we could plunge headlong into trying to halt it. We might conceivably really mess it up. Also historical and other records show the Earth has gone through warming periods long before industrialization came along and some of those periods were warmer than what we're experiencing now. In a few hundred years we could experience another cycle of colder weather.

Yeah, what does science know with their "facts" and "peer reviewed evidence". A small group of scientists who are by random chance happen to be paid off by the oil industry wouldn't lie to us.

 

[Robert Maxwell]

Everybody seems willing to talk about the weather, but nobody seems willing to do anything about it.

Evidence is coming to light that a lot of the data from climatologists and others pushing human activity as the key cause of climate change was either misinterpreted or flat out fabricated. Have we had an effect? Possibly. Are we the main cause? Highly suspect.

Mars is also undergoing climate change. Are we responsible for that, too? Planets are susceptible to effects far beyond our influence such as the star they orbit and what part of the galaxy the solar system might be traversing.

And lets be candid here. No one is going to get the societies of our planet to bring everything to a grinding halt and turn back to an agrarian like existence. Ain't goinna happen.

There is a great deal about planetary climate we don't understand to realistically expect we could plunge headlong into trying to halt it. We might conceivably really mess it up. Also historical and other records show the Earth has gone through warming periods long before industrialization came along and some of those periods were warmer than what we're experiencing now. In a few hundred years we could experience another cycle of colder weather.

Cite sources, please.

No sources needed. He is simply wrong.

 

[Amaris]

Evidence is coming to light that a lot of the data from climatologists and others pushing human activity as the key cause of climate change was either misinterpreted or flat out fabricated. Have we had an effect? Possibly. Are we the main cause? Highly suspect.

Mars is also undergoing climate change. Are we responsible for that, too? Planets are susceptible to effects far beyond our influence such as the star they orbit and what part of the galaxy the solar system might be traversing.

And lets be candid here. No one is going to get the societies of our planet to bring everything to a grinding halt and turn back to an agrarian like existence. Ain't goinna happen.

There is a great deal about planetary climate we don't understand to realistically expect we could plunge headlong into trying to halt it. We might conceivably really mess it up. Also historical and other records show the Earth has gone through warming periods long before industrialization came along and some of those periods were warmer than what we're experiencing now. In a few hundred years we could experience another cycle of colder weather.

Cite sources, please.

No sources needed. He is simply wrong.

I would certainly agree, but I want him to have the chance to post his sources, so that they can be examined. Surely he wouldn't make such bold statements without having some pretty strong evidence to back them up. I mean, he even used the term "Evidence is coming to light," and I would love to see this newly illuminated evidence.

 

[Warped9]

Here's one: http://www.forbes.com/sites/peterfe...-the-obnoxious-fabrication-of-global-warming/

And I suspect I'm not wrong. When seemingly everyone jumps on the wagon of something as gospel and tries to shout down others asking questions I start doubting the validity of their claims.

The alarmists haven't proven a damn thing other than cooking up a way for some (like governments and businesses) to make money off the gullible. Carbon taxes and "green" products galore anyone?

Anyone remember Y2K as well as the certainty we were headed for another ice age?

 

[Amaris]

Here's one: http://www.forbes.com/sites/peterfe...-the-obnoxious-fabrication-of-global-warming/

And I suspect I'm not wrong. When seemingly everyone jumps on the wagon of something as gospel and tries to shout down others asking questions I start doubting the validity of the claims.

The alarmists haven't proven a damn thing other than cooking up a way for some (like governments and businesses) to make money off the gullible. Carbon taxes anyone and "green" products galore?

Anyone remember Y2K as well as the certainty we were headed for another ice age?

That is an op/ed from a business finance magazine, in which a man cites his information as being from the Heartland Institute, a conservative think tank. Surely you have more evidence than what amounts to a political blog post, because having read the article and checked their sources, they have no data to support their position. It is all presumption, not science. Please cite scientific sources, not political ones, please.

I'll even give you a few sources of my own in support of anthropogenic climate change:

http://climate.nasa.gov/evidence
http://www.ipcc.ch/publications_and_data/ar4/wg1/en/ch9s9-7.html
http://www.pnas.org/content/110/43/17169.extract