I need the name of an episode with a VFX shot where the Enterprise warps toward the screen leaving a planet behind.
Thanks.
Thanks.
Warping out of orbit
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Yes! At 18:38. Thank you very much
I always liked that shot, maybe because it was something different from the 2-3 usual warping out shots that they used, as it only appeared a handful of times throughout the whole show. The shot also appears in "All Good Things" sans planet, just after Picard talks to Tomalak on the viewscreen. It originates in a season 1 episode but can't remember which one.
Yes, I've been watching in order on blu ray and am currently through "Angel One." Ive seen the shot you reference at least twice and maybe three times in these early episodes, I just don't remember which exact ones.
NebulaClassGuy
Lieutenant Commander
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Yeah, they used those shots a lot more in the first and second seasons than in the late seasons... I think the last time I recall seeing it was season 3, but I could be wrong. Doesn't the TNG Technical Manual say something about warping within the confines of a star system being a big no-no, or something along those lines?
Yeah, they used those shots a lot more in the first and second seasons than in the late seasons... I think the last time I recall seeing it was season 3, but I could be wrong. Doesn't the TNG Technical Manual say something about warping within the confines of a star system being a big no-no, or something along those lines?
That's exactly why I wanted it 
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(see video in sig)Strangely this Point of View effect made an appearance in a few S5/S6 eps of DS9, where I thought it was created for until my TV station started repeating TNG!
I think it's first used in The first ep of season 2 of TNG when Guinan is talking to Wes about missing his Mum in Ten Forward...
I THINK!
And as for warping out of orbit, I always wondered why this was seen as a big deal, especially after that TNG ep where they perform that "Near Warp beaming" (It'd be good if the remastered eps improve that effect, maybe have the transporter beam IN the wall for a second or two)
In DS9 "By Inferno's Light" Jadzia makes a huge deal about warping inside a solar system being a big no-no yet Kira overrules her, yet in everything we'd seen previously (particularly most of the departure glory shots in the movies)
starships have no issues with going to warp within Earth's solar system. etc.
Especially when you consider Voyager's opening titles, which show the ship has no problems going to warp from the orbit of a Planet every week
If you think through the majority of the warp scenes in Trek, most of them take place within a solar system (usually after departing the planet of the week...) so it's odd when they sometimes make a big deal of it!
I don't think it's possible. You would remain in orbit regardless of the space warping, and half of the planet would follow you along for the journey.
Oh, you were asking for a screenshot, sorry, carry on then.
Oh, you were asking for a screenshot, sorry, carry on then.
Strangely this Point of View effect made an appearance in a few S5/S6 eps of DS9, where I thought it was created for until my TV station started repeating TNG!
I think it's first used in The first ep of season 2 of TNG when Guinan is talking to Wes about missing his Mum in Ten Forward...
I THINK!
And as for warping out of orbit, I always wondered why this was seen as a big deal, especially after that TNG ep where they perform that "Near Warp beaming" (It'd be good if the remastered eps improve that effect, maybe have the transporter beam IN the wall for a second or two)
In DS9 "By Inferno's Light" Jadzia makes a huge deal about warping inside a solar system being a big no-no yet Kira overrules her, yet in everything we'd seen previously (particularly most of the departure glory shots in the movies)
starships have no issues with going to warp within Earth's solar system. etc.
Especially when you consider Voyager's opening titles, which show the ship has no problems going to warp from the orbit of a Planet every week
If you think through the majority of the warp scenes in Trek, most of them take place within a solar system (usually after departing the planet of the week...) so it's odd when they sometimes make a big deal of it!
Kirk mentioned it, as well as he was giving his initial log entry as Enterprise captain in The Motion Picture. He said, "In order to intercept the Intruder at the earliest possible time, we must now risk engaging warp-drive while still within the solar system."
I've never completely understood why it's acceptable under certain circumstances, only to be deemed too dangerous under others. I suppose using the warp engines inside a solar system is somewhat analogous to setting the cruise-control while driving city streets, as opposed to the interstate.
IIRC, in TVH the Bird of Prey went to warp while still in Earth's atmosphere and took something like five minutes to get out of the atmosphere. Don't think they thought about that one real hard.
And Scotty was clear that the trouble was caused by an engine imbalance. I take it to mean that if the engines are properly balanced then there's no problem with it.
I can't spot such a claim in the Manual. On the other hand, the book makes quite a few other dubious claims such as phaser use at warp being difficult or rare (to the contrary, it has always been portrayed as problem-free and commonplace - the specific VFX just wasn't used in TNG), thus calling attention to the "important word of caution" on p. vii:
Apparently, the Manual itself is part of the campaign, too...
Nothing in aired Trek suggests that warping out of orbit would be bad as such. Kirk's TMP stunt is related to this "untested prototype" issue; when Kira and Dax discuss the risks of warp drive use inside the Bajoran system in "By Inferno's Light", no warping out of orbit is involved. And essentially, the very first examples of going to warp, in in-universe terms, take place right out of orbit: the Phoenix in ST:FC and the Enterprise in "Broken Bow"!
However, impulse travel within star systems is relatively often considered preferable to warp travel, even in extreme hurry. And as discussed on other sub-fori right now, this may be related to warp being very, very slow (indeed slower than lightspeed) deep inside (some? all?) star systems.
Timo Saloniemi
Easily explained. The Phoenix going to warp inside the solar system was okay because it accelerated very slowly and it didn't go very fast, so the disruption to subspace was minimal.
And the Enterprise in Broken Bow is okay because they'd already had the chance to balance the intermix.
There's always an explanation! [/fanwank]
And the Enterprise in Broken Bow is okay because they'd already had the chance to balance the intermix.
There's always an explanation! [/fanwank]
It's just that the cases of going to warp should not need explanation because they represent such a huge majority; the cases where going to warp (either one, two or three in all of Star Trek, depending on what you count) are the exceptions that don't automatically follow from the underlying assumption "warp is okay everywhere, including your basement and underwater".
Timo Saloniemi
Timo Saloniemi
NebulaClassGuy
Lieutenant Commander
I will look it up in my copy of the TNG Tech Manual later today when I get home from work, but I'm almost 100% sure the book does say something like that. If not the TNG Tech Manual, then it's from the TNG Writers Technical Guide, which I also own, so I'll consult that as well.
In any event, it is hinted on-screen, that warping inside a solar system is not a good idea, as evidenced by the dialog exchange between Kira and Dax in the DS9 episode "By Inferno's Light", when the Defiant enters warp within a solar system, to tractor the runabout U.S.S. Yukon.
Or we might remember that Bajor has abysmally bad "subspace weather", which was even a major plot point in "Invasive Procedures" and "Things Past"...
But really, that DS9 episode is the only instance in Trek history where going to warp inside a star system is said to be a bad idea as such. Balance this against about a hundred warp flashes deep within a star system or right down on low planetary orbit, with nary a mention of risk or difficulty. And even in that very DS9 episode, ships effortlessly went to warp right after undocking from DS9!
Timo Saloniemi
But really, that DS9 episode is the only instance in Trek history where going to warp inside a star system is said to be a bad idea as such. Balance this against about a hundred warp flashes deep within a star system or right down on low planetary orbit, with nary a mention of risk or difficulty. And even in that very DS9 episode, ships effortlessly went to warp right after undocking from DS9!
Timo Saloniemi
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