Season ONE OFFICIAL TNG Blu-Ray Discussion Thread

[throwback]

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For myself, I find it interesting that it's evident that in that one shot from Lonely Among Us that the set didn't have the windows. I suppose it was to prevent the production equipment being reflected in the windows. I feel from this one shot, and the infamous cardboard on the back walls of the bridge, that the cinematographers hadn't found their groove in the first season. I like that the exterior walls of the set are now gray, not that ugly green.

 

[Tosk]

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^The transparent aluminum is just really, really clean.

But it's obvious even in later seasons that there is nothing in the window frames. Y'just gotta go with it.

 

[Chris2005]

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Can someone explain why when they remastered the pictures come out so dark and murky? I love to collect screencaps and I've had to mess with the levels just to see many of those out now. This was not a problem on the old DVD resolution caps.

Because, with the remastered, they are using newer technology to transfer the shots from the film... the blu-ray is how they should've looked back then, but the technology didn't allow the quality to be captured... since it was analog and not digital...

 

[BillJ]

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Can someone explain why when they remastered the pictures come out so dark and murky? I love to collect screencaps and I've had to mess with the levels just to see many of those out now. This was not a problem on the old DVD resolution caps.

Because, with the remastered, they are using newer technology to transfer the shots from the film... the blu-ray is how they should've looked back then, but the technology didn't allow the quality to be captured... since it was analog and not digital...

They did post-production on video tape, that is why it always looked so poor.

 

[BriGuy]

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Will there be a way to tell the difference between the old sets and the updated sets (assuming we were to purchase the set sometime in the future)?

One thing they might do to make the new set noticeable is change the UPC or, like was done with Saving Private Ryan, which also had an audio issue on bluray, change the color of the UPC label: http://www.slashfilm.com/paramount-recalls-saving-private-ryan-blu-ray-discs/

The studio could also ask retailers to pull the original sets from shelves in favor of corrected replacements.

 

[Doug Otte]

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The first 2:25 of the 7.1 DTS-HD track on "Haven" is particularly poor sounding, when heard mixed down to 2.0 on TV speakers... then it suddenly switches and is fine... then at 27:27 you can hear the echo kick in until the end of the episode.

The same goes for "11001001". Everyone sounds like Darth Vader! -- this time for the whole episode.

I haven't seen the above 2 episodes yet, but I watched Lonely Among Us last night, and most of the dialogue in about the first 1/3 of the show is very boxy. Music and effects sound fine. Because this episode is on disc 2, it won't be fixed.

 

[digger]

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“Encounter at Farpoint” has the dialogue unbalanced in the center and front right channels. The left channel is correct (no dialogue).

The other episodes, “Hide and Q”, “Haven”, “The Big Goodbye” and “Datalore” on disc 3... and “11001001″ and “Too Short a Season” on disc 4 have the dialogue spread equally across the entire front soundstage (L, C, R) and thus a problem is hard to perceive unless you walk up to the speaker(s) and notice that dialogue is present.

The dialogue is loud and clear in the left and right channels in the aforementioned episodes. The rest of the season's episodes have proper 7.1 mixes (i.e. dialogue in center channel only).

The first 2:25 of the 7.1 DTS-HD track on "Haven" is particularly poor sounding, when heard mixed down to 2.0 on TV speakers... then it suddenly switches and is fine... then at 27:27 you can hear the echo kick in until the end of the episode.

The same goes for "11001001". Everyone sounds like Darth Vader! -- this time for the whole episode.

Thank you very much for the detailed reply, Maxwell.

 

[Chris2005]

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The first 2:25 of the 7.1 DTS-HD track on "Haven" is particularly poor sounding, when heard mixed down to 2.0 on TV speakers... then it suddenly switches and is fine... then at 27:27 you can hear the echo kick in until the end of the episode.

The same goes for "11001001". Everyone sounds like Darth Vader! -- this time for the whole episode.

I haven't seen the above 2 episodes yet, but I watched Lonely Among Us last night, and most of the dialogue in about the first 1/3 of the show is very boxy. Music and effects sound fine. Because this episode is on disc 2, it won't be fixed.

I hadn't noticed anything in that episode...

However, here is information for those seeking replacement discs:

http://tng.trekcore.com/bluray/#audioprobs

 

[MickJo1701]

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Any word on R2 replacements?

 

[trekker670]

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Instructions are forthcoming.

 

[Maxwell Everett]

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The first 2:25 of the 7.1 DTS-HD track on "Haven" is particularly poor sounding, when heard mixed down to 2.0 on TV speakers... then it suddenly switches and is fine... then at 27:27 you can hear the echo kick in until the end of the episode.

The same goes for "11001001". Everyone sounds like Darth Vader! -- this time for the whole episode.

I haven't seen the above 2 episodes yet, but I watched Lonely Among Us last night, and most of the dialogue in about the first 1/3 of the show is very boxy. Music and effects sound fine. Because this episode is on disc 2, it won't be fixed.

Okay, I just watched the first 15 minutes of "Lonely Among Us" again, this time connected directly to an HDTV so I could listen to it through it's speakers and I do not hear a problem -- at least not anything beyond typical set acoustics and deficiencies with the original magnetic audio tape.

Since I already confirmed this episode does not have the dialogue duplicated in the left and right channels on my full 7.1 system, I consider this episode fine... it sounds as it's supposed to, anyway.

It gets my seal of approval (whatever that's worth ).

 

[Sho]

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Maxwell'd.

 

[tomalak301]

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I watched 3 more episodes last night so some thoughts on those:

-The Last Outpost really does bring out the worst in TNG sometimes. I remember when I first came to these boards (More than 10 years ago), one common complaint was the Enterprise Crew talking down to the aliens they meet saying they are not civilized. That's pretty much what happens here. I'm glad they calmed that down in the later seasons, but what right does Riker have to judge the Ferangi.

-Where No One looks stunning in HD. Loved what they did with that episode.

-This isn't one of the discs being replaced but did anyone notice an Echo when Picard revealed himself to be the alien? It was in the ready room with Crusher near the end of the episode. Also, maybe I just didn't notice this on the DVDs but it looked like when the Enterprise goes to Warp back to the cloud, we don't get the entire warping effect (That diamond special effect mostly) and the screen actually cuts to black for a brief moment. Again, not major issues, and those are stuff I can live with, but it seemed a little weird.

I honestly can't wait till the "new uniform" seasons are on Blu Ray. I guess having just seen Season 1 (And even Shades of Gray like 2 months ago, I find myself wanting to pop in a DVD from Season 5 (Or last night after Where No One, see Remember Me). Still, this has been a great purchase and looking forward to the fixed discs.

 

[Doug Otte]

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The first 2:25 of the 7.1 DTS-HD track on "Haven" is particularly poor sounding, when heard mixed down to 2.0 on TV speakers... then it suddenly switches and is fine... then at 27:27 you can hear the echo kick in until the end of the episode.

The same goes for "11001001". Everyone sounds like Darth Vader! -- this time for the whole episode.

I haven't seen the above 2 episodes yet, but I watched Lonely Among Us last night, and most of the dialogue in about the first 1/3 of the show is very boxy. Music and effects sound fine. Because this episode is on disc 2, it won't be fixed.

Okay, I just watched the first 15 minutes of "Lonely Among Us" again, this time connected directly to an HDTV so I could listen to it through it's speakers and I do not hear a problem -- at least not anything beyond typical set acoustics and deficiencies with the original magnetic audio tape.

Since I already confirmed this episode does not have the dialogue duplicated in the left and right channels on my full 7.1 system, I consider this episode fine... it sounds as it's supposed to, anyway.

It gets my seal of approval (whatever that's worth ).

I already thanked you for responding to my similar post over at AVS Forum, but wanted to thank you again for the detective work you did. I also listened to the right speaker to confirm that the episode only had dialogue from the center channel.

I only know that it sounded bad to me. I've also watched Naked and Where No Man using the surround sound, and the dialogue definitely sounded dodgy to me on Lonely, but perhaps that's the way it was recorded. Thanks again.

 

[Chris2005]

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I watched 3 more episodes last night so some thoughts on those:

-The Last Outpost really does bring out the worst in TNG sometimes. I remember when I first came to these boards (More than 10 years ago), one common complaint was the Enterprise Crew talking down to the aliens they meet saying they are not civilized. That's pretty much what happens here. I'm glad they calmed that down in the later seasons, but what right does Riker have to judge the Ferangi.

The same reason, humans are judged among humans, for their pros and cons... however, the Ferengi did act rather immature in "The Last Outpost," they had more composure in "The Battle."

-Where No One looks stunning in HD. Loved what they did with that episode.

Agreed.

-This isn't one of the discs being replaced but did anyone notice an Echo when Picard revealed himself to be the alien? It was in the ready room with Crusher near the end of the episode. Also, maybe I just didn't notice this on the DVDs but it looked like when the Enterprise goes to Warp back to the cloud, we don't get the entire warping effect (That diamond special effect mostly) and the screen actually cuts to black for a brief moment. Again, not major issues, and those are stuff I can live with, but it seemed a little weird.

The echo was in the DVD version as well, so I don't think it's a problem.

As for the warping, I think we cut back to the dialogue before that effect starts... they did add it in "Where No One Has Gone Before" though.

I honestly can't wait till the "new uniform" seasons are on Blu Ray. I guess having just seen Season 1 (And even Shades of Gray like 2 months ago, I find myself wanting to pop in a DVD from Season 5 (Or last night after Where No One, see Remember Me). Still, this has been a great purchase and looking forward to the fixed discs.

If you got the sampler back in January, they had 2 episodes, one from Season 3, and one from 5... when they had the shoulder padded uniforms...

I haven't seen the above 2 episodes yet, but I watched Lonely Among Us last night, and most of the dialogue in about the first 1/3 of the show is very boxy. Music and effects sound fine. Because this episode is on disc 2, it won't be fixed.

Okay, I just watched the first 15 minutes of "Lonely Among Us" again, this time connected directly to an HDTV so I could listen to it through it's speakers and I do not hear a problem -- at least not anything beyond typical set acoustics and deficiencies with the original magnetic audio tape.

Since I already confirmed this episode does not have the dialogue duplicated in the left and right channels on my full 7.1 system, I consider this episode fine... it sounds as it's supposed to, anyway.

It gets my seal of approval (whatever that's worth ).

I already thanked you for responding to my similar post over at AVS Forum, but wanted to thank you again for the detective work you did. I also listened to the right speaker to confirm that the episode only had dialogue from the center channel.

I only know that it sounded bad to me. I've also watched Naked and Where No Man using the surround sound, and the dialogue definitely sounded dodgy to me on Lonely, but perhaps that's the way it was recorded. Thanks again.

Hadn't noticed any audio problems in "The Naked Now" or "Where No One Has Gone Before," I've only noticed audio issues in the episodes that have been mentioned, like "11001001," "Haven," etc.

 

[Doug Otte]

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I only know that it sounded bad to me. I've also watched Naked and Where No Man using the surround sound, and the dialogue definitely sounded dodgy to me on Lonely, but perhaps that's the way it was recorded. Thanks again.

Hadn't noticed any audio problems in "The Naked Now" or "Where No One Has Gone Before," I've only noticed audio issues in the episodes that have been mentioned, like "11001001," "Haven," etc.

I can see that my post above was vaguely worded. I meant that Naked and Where No Man sounded fine in 5.1, and that I think the dialogue in Lonely sounds bad by comparison.

 

[trekker670]

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I noticed EAS has their "Code of Honor" comparison up:

http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/observations/codeofhonor.htm

 

[senten]

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-This isn't one of the discs being replaced but did anyone notice an Echo when Picard revealed himself to be the alien? It was in the ready room with Crusher near the end of the episode.

I think this is an intended effect on his voice to show that it's not the real Picard speaking any more.

 

[groundhog]

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I think I'll be waiting for the Complete Series set. By then all the errors and kinks will be fixed, and maybe even the SD-upconverted shots, too.

 

[Patrick O'Brien]

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I noticed EAS has their "Code of Honor" comparison up:

http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/observations/codeofhonor.htm

Great link They did a nice job with the comparison.