Knight Templar
Commodore
Why not?
Chick-fil-A digging themselves a hole
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Why not?
And, given enough time, all businesses owners and all employees would be segregated into neat little groups. What a wonderful world to live in.
Thank Darwin you have no chance to be President, ever.
.Well, you're not ever going to be and the EEOC isn't going anywhere soon, so that's that. So, I'm afraid that besides "I love Mammon," you'll need to find a better reason to justify discrimination in hiring directed at gays. "Because homosexuality is a choice," won't work since, according to Exodus International, you know that organization to which gays get pointed to for help even says that's not true. What's left - allowing employers to gather a sexual history to determine if John Doe is getting blown by Billy Smith?
No, he probably gives billions if you count all his aid to Saudi Arabia (he bowed to them), Egypt, and Libya. His former top man Rahm in Chicago handed the streets over to Farrakahn's Nation of Islam. All the gays will probably hide out in the Chick-Fil-A so they don't get beat up by guys in bow ties.
Obama campaigned on ending DADT, then decided to keep it in place for a couple more years, getting a thousand or more gays tossed out of the military. That's a thousand more people than Cathy ever tossed out of a job for being gay.
Obama refused to help the gay rights vote in Maine, which narrowly lost. Sucks to be them. He refused to directly address the vote on amending the NC constitution to ban gay marriage, sending a spokesman out instead. It passed.
His same-sex benefits for federal workers turned out to be virtually nothing, yet could've actually helped.
http://www.cnn.com/2012/05/10/opinion/ghitis-obama-gays/index.html
It's as if Obama's positions and actions actually affect the lives of gay people. A fast-food chain donating some thousands to a couple of Christian charities that occassionally run ad campaigns that don't influence anyone? Not so much.
Knight Templar
Commodore
Seems a reasonable place to draw the line.
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Amaris
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So you're okay with Christians being brainwashed to become atheists, as long as they're not physically harmed. Sounds reasonable.
Now, on to the important question: Knight Templar, when did you stop being attracted to men?
That's a hopelessly contradictory final statement there. You allege these groups' activity doesn't influence anyone, yet you mention Amendment One in NC and the activity in ME, where, yes, (and in NC I can certainly testify to this being true since I live there), their activity does have influence.
Make up your mind.
Because the law (and therefore, theoretically by extension the society that the law derives its legitimacy from) has decided that you do not have the right to engage in such practices. This has been expounded in case law, and ruled upon by the Supreme Court in the case of Egan v. Canada (again, I'm using the law where I live) which ruled that such discrimination is prohibited under Section 15 of the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms (our equivalent to your Bill of Rights). You may be able to find a contemporaneous decision of the American Supreme Court to the same effect, though perhaps not as the state of LGBT rights in the United States is particularly regressive when compared to other industrial economies.
It's horrendous and offensive that some people, still in this day and age think it is okay to restrict the rights and freedoms of people simply because of who they are.
Laws preventing discrimination aren't "wrong" they're in place because we live in a world, sadly, where there's still bigoted assholes who won't hire a black person, a Mexican, or a woman due to either backwards beliefs or because what is sort-of suggested in a book written thousands of years ago.
Shit.
Do you people not get it, everyone should be treated equally. It doesn't matter what your damn Bible says about homosexuality or what you think of it, none of that has in basis in law and how people should be treated. Your damn book of rules is not my book of rules.
If your God and your Bible says to treat homosexuals like lesser beings then I want no part of that god or that book. Homosexuals deserve to be treated the same as everyone else and should have all of the same rights and privileges as everyone else. That we still go through this shit every couple of decades is disgusting. Women, blacks, now gays. What group is next? Who next needs to fight to be treated equally?
Are we really that desperate to treat a group of people like crap that we're resorting to who they choose to love? Really?! What the fuck, man?
The groups supported by CFA and that support shouldn't be tolerated anymore than if some company supported the KKK or a Neo-Nazi group.
If we wouldn't stand for a company actively wanting to take rights away from women, blacks or other minority groups then why stand for it when it comes to homosexuals?
Sure those companies and groups have all of the right in the world to support whatever cause they want. But the message should be sent right back to them that we want to live in a society where people aren't discriminated against, shunned, or held back simply because of who they decide to fuck.
It's 2012, people. I think it's time we stop this bullshit and let people be whomever and whatever they want to be and stop wanting to force them into a pristine ideal few hold and we certainly shouldn't want government to hold them to some stupid ideal supposedly presented in some religious text.
Laws preventing discrimination aren't "wrong" they're in place because we live in a world, sadly, where there's still bigoted assholes who won't hire a black person, a Mexican, or a woman due to either backwards beliefs or because what is sort-of suggested in a book written thousands of years ago.
Shit.
Do you people not get it, everyone should be treated equally. It doesn't matter what your damn Bible says about homosexuality or what you think of it, none of that has in basis in law and how people should be treated. Your damn book of rules is not my book of rules.
If your God and your Bible says to treat homosexuals like lesser beings then I want no part of that god or that book. Homosexuals deserve to be treated the same as everyone else and should have all of the same rights and privileges as everyone else. That we still go through this shit every couple of decades is disgusting. Women, blacks, now gays. What group is next? Who next needs to fight to be treated equally?
Are we really that desperate to treat a group of people like crap that we're resorting to who they choose to love? Really?! What the fuck, man?
The groups supported by CFA and that support shouldn't be tolerated anymore than if some company supported the KKK or a Neo-Nazi group.
If we wouldn't stand for a company actively wanting to take rights away from women, blacks or other minority groups then why stand for it when it comes to homosexuals?
Sure those companies and groups have all of the right in the world to support whatever cause they want. But the message should be sent right back to them that we want to live in a society where people aren't discriminated against, shunned, or held back simply because of who they decide to fuck.
It's 2012, people. I think it's time we stop this bullshit and let people be whomever and whatever they want to be and stop wanting to force them into a pristine ideal few hold and we certainly shouldn't want government to hold them to some stupid ideal supposedly presented in some religious text.
Not for law abiding, taxpaying LGBT Americans who might like to work for you and might have a lot of talents, skills and experience to bring to the table.
Like I said, in the end it's your decision to do so...you're going to do what you're going to do. But as somebody else posted above and did a fine job of elaborating upon, you might very well be breaking the law and subject to fines or even prosecution for hiring discrimination if you knowingly do so.
There's a fine line between your rights and breaking the law when it comes to employment and other sectors of the economy and society we live in. You might not like that, but that's the America we as a modern society have chosen to create.
Like this:
http://news.yahoo.com/mississppi-ch...ck-couple-205218322--abc-news-topstories.html
Part of KT's wonderful world vision, I assume.
Knight Templar
Commodore
Out of curiousity Trekker, what is so miraculous or special about the year "2012"?
Well, Churches are one thing. They're somewhat exempt and can get away with shit like that. Fine. So long as people from that church don't petition, use, or act in government to push those ideas and values on everyone else.
It's the 21st century, with everything we've accomplished in, hell, just the last 2000 years as a species it's amazing that we've still not mastered the basic concept of treating everyone equally and, instead, want to restrict the rights and freedoms of people simply because of who they love.
I'd think we would have gotten past that sometime in the Dark Ages, really. But apparently not. Want to have romantic love with someone of your same gender? Screw you! We'll treat you like a second-class citizen, claim you're responsible for all of the wrong in the world through God's wrath and you've no place to marry the one you love.
How many times are we going to go through this bullshit before we realize everyone deserves to be treated equally in society? Regardless of who they are?
It's the 21st century, with everything we've accomplished in, hell, just the last 2000 years as a species it's amazing that we've still not mastered the basic concept of treating everyone equally and, instead, want to restrict the rights and freedoms of people simply because of who they love.
I'd think we would have gotten past that sometime in the Dark Ages, really. But apparently not. Want to have romantic love with someone of your same gender? Screw you! We'll treat you like a second-class citizen, claim you're responsible for all of the wrong in the world through God's wrath and you've no place to marry the one you love.
How many times are we going to go through this bullshit before we realize everyone deserves to be treated equally in society? Regardless of who they are?
Now that gives Christians a bad name. Ridiculous.
I can't speak for anyone else here, but what's so special about "2012" you say?
Well...John Cusack in a giant subterranean ark for one thing.
CGI be praised!
Well...John Cusack in a giant subterranean ark for one thing.
CGI be praised!
I'm talking about the mindset. Sure I guess if they want to be racist pigs, it's their right.
It's not a mindset I understand and, really, I'd hope it'd be something we would have grown out of by now, hell even in the last 50-60 years since the Civil Rights movements, but, alas, people want to be bigots. Fine. Their right. The church's right.
So long as they're not trying to influence government to behave in such a manner by enforcing such bigotry through law as anti-gay groups, persons and government higher-ups do (in the latter case much more actively to the point of passing laws or changing the word of law to exclude a group of people.
I mean, that sort of behavior is fucked up. See: Proposition 8 in California which changed a law specifically to exclude a group of people and remove a right they had through the state.
Disgusting.
Why did they accept their reservation for a wedding in the first place? These people are good enough to be members of the church. Their family belongs to the church. The invitations were sent out, and then one day before the ceremony, they tell them "no, you're Black"? Where is the Biblical and/or doctrinal rationale for that?
It just saddens me that people have to go through this kind of stuff. I can understand a church saying that we cannot marry you because you're not of our faith, or you haven't gone through our prescribed pre-marital classes. Stuff like that. But...because you're Black?
I hope they're enjoying their tax-exempt status.
See, here's the rub for those like KT who would engage in unprincipled discriminatory activity against the "not we" however defined...The logic is schizophrenic when coupled with their blessed belief in libertarianism and it's free market of equal opportunities for a good life. Discrimination against gays obviously robs them of equal economic opportunity. Ditto with racial and ethnic minorities, even religious groups. Let's say Jon and Billy Gay live in a small town in Oklahoma, but KT and his cronies collude to blackball them from getting jobs because they are gay and they don't want none of that near them. That, by definition, robs them of an equal opportunity to be employed. Ah, but they can move. Really? Maybe they can, maybe they can't. Maybe they are there because they wanted to get away from the gay ghetto in Austin, TX. Maybe Billy's Mom has cancer and they are there to care for her. Why should they have to move just to avoid the bigotry of KT and his townsfolk?
But that's all just a hypothetical...the real issue isn't a hypothetical. We have laws here in the US against employment discrimination. So, beyond, "I don't like homosexuals" KT needs to come up with something a little more concrete with respect to a reason not to prohibit discrimination against homosexuals. Saying "Homosexuality is a choice" won't work, because even if true, we prohibit discrimination on the basis of religion, which is a choice. Further, the statement is false on its face according to none other than Exodus International itself, and if KT wants to argue for prying into the sex lives of all job applicants, he'll need to justify that, or is it enough that a person is gay, regardless of their behavior?
But that's all just a hypothetical...the real issue isn't a hypothetical. We have laws here in the US against employment discrimination. So, beyond, "I don't like homosexuals" KT needs to come up with something a little more concrete with respect to a reason not to prohibit discrimination against homosexuals. Saying "Homosexuality is a choice" won't work, because even if true, we prohibit discrimination on the basis of religion, which is a choice. Further, the statement is false on its face according to none other than Exodus International itself, and if KT wants to argue for prying into the sex lives of all job applicants, he'll need to justify that, or is it enough that a person is gay, regardless of their behavior?
