HBO/Showtime version of Star Trek

[Sjaddix]

The US military only sends hundreds of thousand of people when going to war, I must add. Exploration missions, of which history is replete with examples, is usually composed of considerably smaller groups, and can be a single ship, or at most, a small group of them.

Outside of wartime, the US Navy still patrols, a carrier group would be a dozen odd ships with personal numbering well over seven thousand.

Also given the massive difference in population between the Federation and the USA. Means that in context the number of personnel is probably equivalent.

 

[Terran_Empire]

I would combine elements of one of my favorite non-sci-fi shows (The Shield) into a new series, bear with me:

In the future, war against interstellar governments is a thing of the past, crime is now the enemy of galactic peace. To crack down on the growing criminal epidemic an experimental project called the Federation "Vanguard" units are formed. Lone ships armed with the latest technology sent out to the more unsavory areas of Federation space to systematically route out and destroy organized pirating, illegal scientific research and experimentation, slave trade and other unlawful operations in Federation space. These ships work alone, and operate at their own discretion and they are exempt from many of the Federation's military protocols and procedures.

 

[Temis the Vorta]

Like a lot of Star Trek ideas that get kicked around here, that sounds like a good idea for a series, just not Star Trek. In fact, Robert Hewitt Wolfe is working on just that series for SyFy.

No parts of the Federation are "unsavory." If they are in the Federation, they are civilized and controlled - that is the definition of the Federation. The areas on the Wild Westy frontier might be unsavory, sure. Orion pirates and whatnot. Stick to the frontiers, that's where all the fun is anyway.

Crime on the fringes of the Federation has always been part of Starfleet's purview, especially in TOS. I'd like to see that element brought back into the mix. But the Rommies and Borg and Dominion are not just going to stop being their usual bad selves. You can't simply rule out war as the basis for stories as well.

Star Trek should be space war + space cop + space diplomat, plus the usual personal stories and the occasional Doomsday Machine or giant space amoeba or wacky virus wild-card thrown in for fun.

 

[Terran_Empire]

Like a lot of Star Trek ideas that get kicked around here, that sounds like a good idea for a series, just not Star Trek. In fact, Robert Hewitt Wolfe is working on just that series for SyFy.

No parts of the Federation are "unsavory." If they are in the Federation, they are civilized and controlled - that is the definition of the Federation. The areas on the Wild Westy frontier might be unsavory, sure. Orion pirates and whatnot. Stick to the frontiers, that's where all the fun is anyway.

Crime on the fringes of the Federation has always been part of Starfleet's purview, especially in TOS. I'd like to see that element brought back into the mix. But the Rommies and Borg and Dominion are not just going to stop being their usual bad selves. You can't simply rule out war as the basis for stories as well.

Star Trek should be space war + space cop + space diplomat, plus the usual personal stories and the occasional Doomsday Machine or giant space amoeba or wacky virus wild-card thrown in for fun.

I was imagining perhaps a more dystopian distant future, perhaps when the Federation had to retrench after a devastating war, leaving their space to be more or less fair-game to opportunists of every variety.

But I agree with you, it would either have to be non-canon or my idea would severely scar the Star Trek timeline.

I have also always loved the mirror universe episodes, I think it would be interesting if a Federation ship was stranded in the mirror universe(perhaps a little too Voyager-esque) or vice-versa(With a main cast and crew much more human and aggressive, perhaps a darker take on the Star Trek universe).

 

[Sindatur]

Like a lot of Star Trek ideas that get kicked around here, that sounds like a good idea for a series, just not Star Trek. In fact, Robert Hewitt Wolfe is working on just that series for SyFy.

No parts of the Federation are "unsavory." If they are in the Federation, they are civilized and controlled - that is the definition of the Federation. The areas on the Wild Westy frontier might be unsavory, sure. Orion pirates and whatnot. Stick to the frontiers, that's where all the fun is anyway.

Crime on the fringes of the Federation has always been part of Starfleet's purview, especially in TOS. I'd like to see that element brought back into the mix. But the Rommies and Borg and Dominion are not just going to stop being their usual bad selves. You can't simply rule out war as the basis for stories as well.

Star Trek should be space war + space cop + space diplomat, plus the usual personal stories and the occasional Doomsday Machine or giant space amoeba or wacky virus wild-card thrown in for fun.

I was imagining perhaps a more dystopian distant future, perhaps when the Federation had to retrench after a devastating war, leaving their space to be more or less fair-game to opportunists of every variety.

But I agree with you, it would either have to be non-canon or my idea would severely scar the Star Trek timeline.

I have also always loved the mirror universe episodes, I think it would be interesting if a Federation ship was stranded in the mirror universe(perhaps a little too Voyager-esque) or vice-versa(With a main cast and crew much more human and aggressive, perhaps a darker take on the Star Trek universe).

I'd actually like to see a Mirror Universe Series, that starts out with the Federation as the bad, torturing, Conqueror guys, with an arc showing them eventually evolving into Good guys

 

[Terran_Empire]

Like a lot of Star Trek ideas that get kicked around here, that sounds like a good idea for a series, just not Star Trek. In fact, Robert Hewitt Wolfe is working on just that series for SyFy.

No parts of the Federation are "unsavory." If they are in the Federation, they are civilized and controlled - that is the definition of the Federation. The areas on the Wild Westy frontier might be unsavory, sure. Orion pirates and whatnot. Stick to the frontiers, that's where all the fun is anyway.

Crime on the fringes of the Federation has always been part of Starfleet's purview, especially in TOS. I'd like to see that element brought back into the mix. But the Rommies and Borg and Dominion are not just going to stop being their usual bad selves. You can't simply rule out war as the basis for stories as well.

Star Trek should be space war + space cop + space diplomat, plus the usual personal stories and the occasional Doomsday Machine or giant space amoeba or wacky virus wild-card thrown in for fun.

I was imagining perhaps a more dystopian distant future, perhaps when the Federation had to retrench after a devastating war, leaving their space to be more or less fair-game to opportunists of every variety.

But I agree with you, it would either have to be non-canon or my idea would severely scar the Star Trek timeline.

I have also always loved the mirror universe episodes, I think it would be interesting if a Federation ship was stranded in the mirror universe(perhaps a little too Voyager-esque) or vice-versa(With a main cast and crew much more human and aggressive, perhaps a darker take on the Star Trek universe).

I'd actually like to see a Mirror Universe Series, that starts out with the Federation as the bad, torturing, Conqueror guys, with an arc showing them eventually evolving into Good guys

It would definately be a change of pace. I like Kirk and Picard no doubt about it but instead of the same goody-goody StarFleet that has been too interested in being politically polite that they place themselves in harm's way in order to be peaceful...let's have a bolder, colder ST, not genocidal or anything but not the pushover that we have seen the Federation act like at times.

 

[Patrick O'Brien]

David Macks "Vanguard" series, would be awesome as a HBO or Showtime production. The books are action packed and have some adult themes.

 

[CaptainMatt]

As long as there is no nudity or little skin reveal (for the kiddies, of course and adults like me who don't want a nudeist trek series on TV) and no really bad swearing, I'm in for HBO/Showtime doing a Trek series.

 

[Patrick O'Brien]

As long as there is no nudity or little skin reveal (for the kiddies, of course and adults like me who don't want a nudeist trek series on TV) and no really bad swearing, I'm in for HBO/Showtime doing a Trek series.

I think that defeats the purpose of having HBO or Showtime produce the series. The point is to include more adult themes and some nudity. Not sure swearing is all that necessary. Cursing has never been a big part of Trek books or films. Though Data's swear in Generations before the Enterprise crashed was rather funny.

 

[Temis the Vorta]

The point of HBO/Showtime from their own point of view is to offer content that nobody can get on broadcast or basic cable, because it's so amazingly amazing, and induce people to pay $20/month for it.

Nudity, swearing and violence are possible, but not mandatory and not really the point. And that's a crucial distinction, because Star Trek as a brand is associated with free TV. You can add all the nudity you want, but that association is still there.

 

[CaptainMatt]

I am not the only one who dislikes the inclusion of nudity in my Trek. George Takei feels the same. Sorry to namedrop, Ive been avoiding it for some time, but had to do it now.

 

[Patrick O'Brien]

I am not the only one who dislikes the inclusion of nudity in my Trek. George Takei feels the same. Sorry to namedrop, Ive been avoiding it for some time, but had to do it now.

Touche Matt!

 

[The_Emperor]

Star Trek on HBO?

Hmm, I wonder how many episodes it'll take before Beverly does a reverse cowgirl on Picard?

 

[Herkimer Jitty]

Cynicism is cool!

Long live Star Trek, beacon of cynicism!

 

[Nerys Myk]

I am not the only one who dislikes the inclusion of nudity in my Trek. George Takei feels the same. Sorry to namedrop, Ive been avoiding it for some time, but had to do it now.

Roddenberry would have loved it. He was always looking for ways to expose flesh on TOS. His wardrobe "adjustments" were legendary.

 

[The_Emperor]

Cynicism is cool!

Long live Star Trek, beacon of cynicism!

Who says I'm being cynical? I'm perfectly serious. And personally, I have no problem with a young, nubile redhead actress in the role of Beverly Crusher performing a reverse cowgirl onscreen.

 

[Temis the Vorta]

A whole herd of reverse cowgirls are more likely to end up on HBO than anything having to do with TNG.

 

[Sindatur]

I am not the only one who dislikes the inclusion of nudity in my Trek. George Takei feels the same. Sorry to namedrop, Ive been avoiding it for some time, but had to do it now.

Well yea, George Takei is a bit long in the tooth for nude scenes these days

Seriously, though, yea, I wouldn't be completely opposed to all nudity, swearing, sexual situations in a new Trek Series, if there was an actual story reason for it, with real story impact/progression resulting from it, but, I'm certainly opposed to doing it just because it can be done. I tried watching True Blood, but, the first few episodes were just too raunchy for the sake of raunchiness for my tastes. Torchwood, had a couple of fairly graphic scenes this year, one I had absolutely no problem with, as it certainly pertained to the plot, the other, didn't pertain to the plot so much, but, made a bold statement, so, although it wasn't necessary, it didn't bother me so much.

 

[Ryan Thomas Riddle]

As long as there is no nudity or little skin reveal (for the kiddies, of course and adults like me who don't want a nudeist trek series on TV) and no really bad swearing, I'm in for HBO/Showtime doing a Trek series.

I am not the only one who dislikes the inclusion of nudity in my Trek. George Takei feels the same. Sorry to namedrop, Ive been avoiding it for some time, but had to do it now.

I've been following this thread off and on for awhile, and this isn't the first time I've seen comments like this on the board. Quite frankly, I don't understand this prudish, puritanical view that STAR TREK was a family show. The original certainly wasn't. It was always meant to be the "first adult space adventure."

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And it was, especially in its early first season, where the drama and aesthetic was naturalistic. The stories in the early days were also a bit more dark, and not in the way we associate with "dark and gritty" these days. This was a serious drama that showed attempted rape, not once but twice. The show wasn't afraid to explore the darker side of its characters.

The original also tried to push the boundaries of sexuality on network television. Remember William Ware Theiss' Titillation Factor? STAR TREK was a sexy show even up to the third season of TNG. After that, with the introduction of uniforms with confining Victorian/Mandarin collars, Trek became less and less sexy. That is until Abrams and company took over the franchise —*and thank god, the sexiness is back!

A new TREK that's on cable, that treats the drama as naturalistic and adult ... bring it on!

 

[Sjaddix]

Yes they can add sexiness its not hard and obviously violence comes easy