New Singer / Fuller Series?

[dulcimer47]

http://trekweb.com/articles/2012/02...ng-on-a-New-Star-Trek-TV-Series-Project.shtml

Long way from being a "go", but all I can say is, if it does happen, I hope they realize it can't be yet another Voyager / Enterprise clone.

Is there any hope for a true heir to the TNG / DS9 legacy?

 

[Skywalker]

I'm not really sure they'd need Abrams to "give them the keys," since any TV series would be under the control of CBS, not Paramount (who control the movies). I think Fuller and Singer are more than capable of coming up with a fresh take on Trek, though I'm still not sure if CBS itself would be interested in airing it. Of course, it's possible they could develop the series and sell it to another network, or something.

 

[dulcimer47]

Agreed on Abrams and the CBS/Paramount relationship.

What other networks has CBS worked with? Aren't the Dexter DVDs put out by CBS? Obviously, that airs on Showtime.

That might be interesting...

 

[Sjaddix]

http://trekweb.com/articles/2012/02...ng-on-a-New-Star-Trek-TV-Series-Project.shtml

Long way from being a "go", but all I can say is, if it does happen, I hope they realize it can't be yet another Voyager / Enterprise clone.

Is there any hope for the true heir to the TNG / DS9 legacy?

Indeed has to be fresh like and different like DS9.

 

[dulcimer47]

http://trekweb.com/articles/2012/02...ng-on-a-New-Star-Trek-TV-Series-Project.shtml

Long way from being a "go", but all I can say is, if it does happen, I hope they realize it can't be yet another Voyager / Enterprise clone.

Is there any hope for the true heir to the TNG / DS9 legacy?

Indeed has to be fresh like and different like DS9.

If we're really honest, we would see that TNG really was pretty similar to VOY & ENT, a lot of the same problems...

The difference, however, was that TNG was 1st, was on the air at a time when there had been no ST on TV for 20 years, also, it was full of great actors and characters, whereas VOY & ENT clearly were not. Additionally, the writing, for the most part was so much better than VOY & ENT.

Anyway, didn't mean to rant, but any new series must, it seems to me, continue the growth and maturation of ST that DS9 showed.

 

[captainkirk]

I want a Kelvin series! I haven't read the articles yet but if they want to do it in the new universe then that makes it more likely to get made. From the sounds of it, David Foster's idea which was set in the prime universe required knowledge of all the previous Star Treks and so I doubt it would be accepted.

 

[Tosk]

I doubt this will happen any time soon, but I am of the mind that a new series does not have to be set in the new universe to work. I guarantee you that it could be set in the prime universe and non-Trekkies would never know the difference. All they would respond to is the sensibilities of the show. You make it with with a splash of JJ's style and keep it lively and you'll get away with anything.

 

[Sjaddix]

I doubt this will happen any time soon, but I am of the mind that a new series does not have to be set in the new universe to work. I guarantee you that it could be set in the prime universe and non-Trekkies would never know the difference. All they would respond to is the sensibilities of the show. You make it with with a splash of JJ's style and keep it lively and you'll get away with anything.

True or all else just jump a bit ahead in the Star Trek Universe. Just need to be far enough for most Prime characters to be dead or retired.

 

[Skywalker]

Just jump to the 2460s and put it on a new Enterprise.

 

[C.E. Evans]

It doesn't mean a thing if CBS isn't interested. Singer & Fuller's pitch would be just another proposal in Les Mooves' trash bin (assuming if it ever reached his desk).

 

[Mage]

Is there any hope for a true heir to the TNG / DS9 legacy?

How do you mean that? Because, something that is exactly like TNG/DS9 would be great to us fans, and flop after three episodes. Shows like that don't really work on tv anymore I'm afraid, because the bigger part of the audiance out there is not that into dramatic, social tv. They want simple, clean-cut entertainment. Nothing with a moral dillema like TNG/DS9 would do. It's sad, but true I'm afraid.

 

[The Castellan]

Is there any hope for a true heir to the TNG / DS9 legacy?

How do you mean that? Because, something that is exactly like TNG/DS9 would be great to us fans, and flop after three episodes. Shows like that don't really work on tv anymore I'm afraid, because the bigger part of the audiance out there is not that into dramatic, social tv. They want simple, clean-cut entertainment. Nothing with a moral dillema like TNG/DS9 would do. It's sad, but true I'm afraid.

~Reads about reboots, and than goes to bed, not thrilled about any of it~

Wake me when it's over, please. u_u
~Snores with classic, anime snot bubble~

 

[Sjaddix]

Is there any hope for a true heir to the TNG / DS9 legacy?

How do you mean that? Because, something that is exactly like TNG/DS9 would be great to us fans, and flop after three episodes. Shows like that don't really work on tv anymore I'm afraid, because the bigger part of the audiance out there is not that into dramatic, social tv. They want simple, clean-cut entertainment. Nothing with a moral dillema like TNG/DS9 would do. It's sad, but true I'm afraid.

Well DS9 in the later seasons works well in that it has actual arcs and the fluff episodes can be cut due to shorter seasons.

I would agree that it is hard to find deep shows on the major cable channels.

Although I don't like any of the ideas in that besides Vulcan/Romulan Reunification.

 

[Dac]

This may sound crazy, but Mad Men strikes me as something very similar to a Star Trek format. If that can succeed, a stylized, character driven Star Trek show should be able too. That's been the problem, well, was the problem with Enterprise. The cast were essentially cardboard cutouts.

Mad Men is about a group of core characters dealing with exterior problems as they arise whilst dealing with their inner demons.

Star Trek is about a group of core characters dealing with exterior problems, just without inner demons. I'm not saying the Captain should be a drunken womanizer, but...isn't that was Kirk was? Give them some flaws. It's essential. DS9 had every character flawed in some way. So did Voyager to an extent.

Well, the point I'm trying to make is if Mad Men can succeed, then a Star Trek show can. Because it's essentially the same format, except the Enterprise/DS9/Voyager is Sterling Cooper.

 

[Christopher]

I think a Singer/Fuller Trek series could be quite interesting, and it'd be cool if they got the chance in a few years.

I'm not really sure they'd need Abrams to "give them the keys," since any TV series would be under the control of CBS, not Paramount (who control the movies).

Unless they wanted to set their series in the Abramsverse, which would be a good idea marketing-wise. In that case, they'd need Paramount's permission to use elements created for the films. I'm not sure if the original article specifies that (since the link is down), but TrekMovie's post does:

http://trekmovie.com/2012/02/03/bry...lking-about-teaming-up-for-star-trek-tv-show/

From the sounds of it, David Foster's idea which was set in the prime universe required knowledge of all the previous Star Treks and so I doubt it would be accepted.

There's also the fact that Foster is not a major producer, just some guy who has a couple of minor credits to his name. He's not in the same league as folks like Singer, Fuller, JMS, and other names attached to Trek pitches, people who actually had enough clout to get a meeting in the first place. He made noise on the Internet about how he'd like to pitch a series proposal, but he never actually made the pitch, except to the public. I figure he was trying to drum up enough grassroots interest to get CBS to take notice because he couldn't get in the door on his own.

 

[dulcimer47]

Is there any hope for a true heir to the TNG / DS9 legacy?

How do you mean that? Because, something that is exactly like TNG/DS9 would be great to us fans, and flop after three episodes. Shows like that don't really work on tv anymore I'm afraid, because the bigger part of the audiance out there is not that into dramatic, social tv. They want simple, clean-cut entertainment. Nothing with a moral dillema like TNG/DS9 would do. It's sad, but true I'm afraid.

I guess I mean that to me it seemed as if DS9 really built on and expanded what TNG brought to the franchise, whereas VOY & ENT were basically stagnant and just decayed the franchise.

It wasn't really that VOY & ENT were that horrible (although they were close), it was more that it was the same thing we saw for 7 years on TNG - 7+7+4=18 seasons of basically the same formula, it got old and stale. DS9 was a totally different direction, it tested the Roddenberry vision in a non-utopian environment; to quote Sisko: "It's easy to be a saint in paradise." To me, that quote describes TNG/VOY/ENT, and the failure of those shows. Now, to be clear, TNG was not a failure, primarily because of infinitely superior characters and actors, and the fact that it came first in this string of 18 straight years of that formula (and the fact that it was the first Trek TV in 20 years when it came on the air).

Regarding the notion that the audience isn't there for a dramatic, moral dilemma show, I'm not sure, look at the critical success of things like Lost, Sopranos, Deadwood, etc. I know a lot of the best shows recently have been on HBO/Showtime or even basic cable, such as Mad Men. However, why couldn't CBS sell a Trek series with a new perspective to one of those stations?

Deadwood, actually is an interesting one to compare to, a frontier town with new technologies (telephones) coming into existence. Obviously, the heavy swearing and prostitution wouldn't apply, but the structure of that show was amazing, the conflict of law vs. power, etc.

One of the things I despise is the notion that Trek is defined by the quantity of shows (VOY/ENT) and not the quality of the show (DS9). Just because the VOY/ENT style show was made for 11 straight years, it doesn't mean that is what Trek is.

 

[dulcimer47]

Is there any hope for a true heir to the TNG / DS9 legacy?

How do you mean that? Because, something that is exactly like TNG/DS9 would be great to us fans, and flop after three episodes. Shows like that don't really work on tv anymore I'm afraid, because the bigger part of the audiance out there is not that into dramatic, social tv. They want simple, clean-cut entertainment. Nothing with a moral dillema like TNG/DS9 would do. It's sad, but true I'm afraid.

Well DS9 in the later seasons works well in that it has actual arcs and the fluff episodes can be cut due to shorter seasons.

I would agree that it is hard to find deep shows on the major cable channels.

Although I don't like any of the ideas in that besides Vulcan/Romulan Reunification.

I also like the idea of shorter seasons - a lot of the best TV in the past 10 years has been 12-13 episode seasons. As you say, it affords you the opportunity to cut out the "fluff."

 

[Temis the Vorta]

Wow, this story sounds like the most solid rumor yet! I'm actually getting a little jazzed about it.

This may sound crazy, but Mad Men strikes me as something very similar to a Star Trek format.

Not so crazy. Pan Am is pretty obviously inspired by Mad Men, and I've noticed a distinct similarity to Star Trek, especially since it's based around a crew on a form of glamorous transportation which lends itself to both weekly adventures and overarching plotlines.

The actors and (with some tweaks) the characters could be ported right over to a Star Trek series and work out great. They'd have to add a few actors who aren't lily-white, of course, but that's easy enough.

On the topic of whether CBS would be interested in developing Star Trek for a channel they don't own, here's what CBS Studios is developing for 2012-13. It's all for CBS properties (CBS, CW, Showtime) except for one for TNT.

TNT is very interesting to me...it's got the cable advantage of not requiring a huge broadcast audience for success, but it's also kind of broadcasty in that it doesn't air the hard-edged or risky shows you might see on AMC, Showtime, HBO or FX, but rather opts for shows that could very well air on broadcast, like Falling Skies.

TNT is just about the perfect location for a new Star Trek series. The success of Falling Skies shows that their audience likes aliens! Pair up the two shows or air Star Trek in the fall in Falling Skies' summer timeslot, and I bet they could get more or less the 6M number that Falling Skies does. They'll have to watch the budget, but it sounds doable.

Another less probable option: CBS Studio makes the show for NBC. In general, I don't think Star Trek can survive on broadcast anymore, being too pricey and too nichey, but NBC is desperate for anything that makes noise because their main problem now is that everyone has stopped watching their channel entirely. Hard to advertise new shows when nobody watches the old ones.

NBC's pilot lineups for next season are very high concept - there's a Western and a few genre shows including one from JJ Abrams and another that sounds like a Caprica do-over. Star Trek would fit right in, and give a big PR boost to their whole struggling lineup.

 

[dulcimer47]

What about the "Lower Decks" concept tied to the Pan Am format - a group of younger officers on a ship?

Would need some involvement from the command group, but for once not just focusing on the 7 or so bridge officers...

 

[Temis the Vorta]

Pan Am does have the captain and co-pilot as major characters, but they are young upstarts. Maybe the show could be about a starship that isn't the Enterprise, but rather a "lesser" ship that regardless has some significant adventures.

It would be odd to go to the trouble of setting a show on a starship and not show the most important part of the starship, and the most consequential personnel.