Watchmen 2?

[Myasishchev]

I would be, because he really is the greatest person who ever worked in comics, but Moore's come off as a dick too often lately, most notably in that he holds others--he might as well have named Johns--to standards he's never applied to himself, and because his contract "dispute" with DC is laughable. Bitching because an obviously exploitable contract provision (it doesn't take a J.D. or M.B.A. to figure out that "when it goes out of print" will never happen if it continues to be successful) keeps you from retaking control over the art you created for hire, but did provide you an eternal reputation as well as hundreds of thousands of dollars, rewards 99% of comic book writers never attain, is so the definition of "First World problem" that I put him and DC on basically the same moral level.

Particularly when he only wants it back out of spite.

 

[nvek86]

Morrison intended Dr. Manhattan to be apart of Superman Beyond 3D. I think he was called something else in the actual issues...I forget which. I wouldn't be surprised if these led to an eventual crossover with the New 52.

The character he used was called Captain Adam:
http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Allen_Adam_(Earth-4)

The upshot is, I can't believe Grant Morrison didn't get in on some of this action. The man has spent twenty years pulling on Alan Moore's beard. What happened?
gravity, provided for the other principals.

He's doing his own version of the Watchmen world in the Multiversity series (old link, I know, but there are still plans for it to be published):
http://www.comicvine.com/news/morrison-talks-about-his-watchmen-follow-up-pax-americana/142113/

 

[CorporalCaptain]

Could anyone direct me to an online description of the Watchmen characters, as they were originally portrayed in Charlton Comics?

Thanks.

 

[Admiral_Young]

I found this for you CorporalCaptain.

http://splashpage.mtv.com/2009/03/0...haracters-who-became-dr-manhattan-ozymandias/

 

[CorporalCaptain]

I found this for you CorporalCaptain.

http://splashpage.mtv.com/2009/03/0...haracters-who-became-dr-manhattan-ozymandias/

Alright, thanks!

 

[Saga]

At least this is ignoring the Last Stand...or is it?

 

[Admiral_Young]

I thought this was interesting and vaguely recall when it was posted last year...Rich talking about the ethics of Before Watchmen.


http://www.bleedingcool.com/2012/02/02/ethics-of-before-watchmen/

 

[DarthPipes]

Well, yeah. The point is, Promethea was only seven years ago; unless he's physically unwell, I don't think he's quite lost his game yet. Neonomicon notwithstanding (though in disclosure, I didn't read it, it sounded pointless and gross and it was drawn by Jacen Burrows, yuck).

Edit: and yeah, I miscounted masterpieces. -_-

I feel like I read in an interview (yeah, I know, no link...) that he was growing less interested in writing comics and turning more of his attention to prose and stage performance...

Alan Moore wants to do more stage work? I'm sure it will be plays with a lot of rape in them.

Another article calling out Moore's hypocracy...

http://www.forbes.com/sites/markhughes/2012/02/01/alan-moore-is-wrong-about-before-watchmen/

Another article bringing up why Before Watchmen might be a mistake...

http://www.npr.org/blogs/monkeysee/2012/02/01/146218318/before-watchmen-apocalyptic-tales-and-leaving-well-enough-alone

I actually don't mind more Watchmen stories. But if they're not going to be great stories, they shouldn't even bother to publish them.

 

[Admiral_Young]

I don't get this mentality about how if they're not going to be great stories they shouldn't bother to publish them. Only you the person who is reading them can determine if they're "great" stories. It doesn't matter what others think. There is/does seem to be almost a cultish or mob like mentality when it concerns Watchmen. DC has put some damn good talent (we can debate about this and have) on these books. We won't know if these will be good or not until we actually start reading them. Like JMS said yesterday the books will speak for themselves. Just as Watchmen its self did, and I know people who don't care or like the original as blasphemous as that is to say.

 

[Myasishchev]

There's no debate that Jae Lee draws fine figures and equally fine drapery.

(There's also no debate that Jae Lee doesn't like to draw anything else. I hope there isn't much call for "objects" or "backgrounds" in Len Wein's script.)

 

[Turtletrekker]

Honestly, for me the biggest deterent to buying this is the weekly nature of the project (assuming you go "all in"). At $3.99 a week for 35 weeks= $139.65 plus applicable sales tax to get the whole story. That's a lot of strain to put onto my comics budget.

I think my best bet is too wait for trade, in order to have the benefit of reviews, buzz and word of mouth in order better make the decision of which minis to buy or not to buy, if any.

 

[Admiral_Young]

Yeah. I'm just going to be checking out the series that I mentioned, while waiting for the trades when they come out in the winter time or early next year...one assumes that if the summer start actually happens.

Kevin Smith turned down Before Watchmen...oh and Rich takes time to pat himself on the back again lol.

http://www.bleedingcool.com/2012/02/02/kevin-smith-turned-down-writing-before-watchmen/

 

[Turtletrekker]

Yeah. I'm just going to be checking out the series that I mentioned, while waiting for the trades when they come out in the winter time or early next year...one assumes that if the summer start actually happens.

Personally, I think Minutemen will be the hardest for me to resist.

Kevin Smith turned down Before Watchmen...oh and Rich takes time to pat himself on the back again lol.

http://www.bleedingcool.com/2012/02/02/kevin-smith-turned-down-writing-before-watchmen/

His (Kevin Smith) name did keep popping up however. So I asked him if he’d ever actually been approached to write for Before Watchmen. He told me;

“Talked to Jim [Lee] and Dan [DiDio] about it two years ago. Only passed because I’m not Alan Moore, sadly. If I was Alan Moore, I’d be all over it. As Kevin Smith, I’d likely just make Bubastis “big pussy” jokes and have Rorschach wet himself. Hurm.”
​

Shame, I think I would have enjoyed Veidt And Silent Bubastis.

 

[Admiral_Young]

I laughed at that too. I wonder if he also didn't turn it down because he's also known to be late turning stuff in? LOL

 

[Stevil2001]

I can't think that Before Watchmen can do more to undermine Watchmen than 25 years of "gritty," "psychological" superhero comics written by people who didn't understand what made Watchmen work already has.

 

[Set Harth]

Rorschach probably smells like he wets himself regularly.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Hrmmm....adds Set Harth to list.

 

[Set Harth]

Search your feelings. You know it to be true.

 

[ALF]

I can understand the prequel hate and the Watchmen purity in general (Moore) but The Minutemen I'm pretty stoked on.

Hell, I think I'm stoked on all of it. The characters are fascinating and There's only so much reflection that can be done on a graphic novel from 1985. Each of the heroes are vast, deep and complex.

Who knows? A continuation of a masterpiece or pure shite, we'll find out this summer.

 

[DarthPipes]

I don't get this mentality about how if they're not going to be great stories they shouldn't bother to publish them. Only you the person who is reading them can determine if they're "great" stories. It doesn't matter what others think. There is/does seem to be almost a cultish or mob like mentality when it concerns Watchmen. DC has put some damn good talent (we can debate about this and have) on these books. We won't know if these will be good or not until we actually start reading them. Like JMS said yesterday the books will speak for themselves. Just as Watchmen its self did, and I know people who don't care or like the original as blasphemous as that is to say.

You're right, what's great depends of the individual. But there have been too many cases were going back to the well turns out to be a failure. I've heard that The Dark Knight Returns II was so bad that you had to wonder if Miller just did it as a lark. Watchmen is held in high regard in the industry...if you can't do something with it that won't be held in high regard, then you shouldn't bother. My opinion.