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Helen Mirren wants to portary The Doctor (Tongue-in-cheek? You decide)

Re: Helen Mirren wants to portary The Doctor (Tongue-in-cheek? You dec

Now, I'm just curious, but why is there such an opposition towards a female Doctor? No judging, just curious.

What if Superman, James Bond or Captain Kirk were women? Some characters you just don't do as women.

You want to make Starbuck a woman? Great! But you don't make Zeus a woman...it would just be a completely different character. I know the doctor is all about different, but nah.

But there is a difference, isn't there? Because Superman, James Bond and Captain Kirk are all set in one shape. In-universe, James Bond always looks the same, wether played by Connery, Moore or Brosnan. To Spock (even more specific, Spock Prime) young James Kirk always looks the same, no matter wether he's played by Shatner or Pine.
But the Doctor changes his shape. When he's about to regenerate in "The Parting of the Ways", he tells Rose he could end up with two heads, or no head, implying he could even regenerate into a non-humanoid shape. A female regeneration therefore isn't that much of a stretch.

As for "Would it work for the audience", well, I guess you'd have to try. I remember some fans complaining back when David Tennant was cast, saying he was too young to play the Doctor. Now we have an even younger Doctor in Matt Smith, and all's fine. Well, not all, if you ask me, but the age of the actor playing the Doctor is not among the "not fine" things.

One of the lovely things about a long-running show like DW is, you can experiment. I'd say, try it out, maybe if they do a year of specials again, have a year with four or five specials instead of a whole series and have the Doctor be female this time. If the audience accepts it, keep her, if it doesn't work, have another regeneration at the end of the last special.

I know, if you grow up with a character, you're beginning to loathe change. And since change is a necessity, you accept it, but still want as little as possible.
But I find it very limiting to say "Oh, no, not that" before it was even tried. Especially to the world of Doctor Who, where anything is supposed to be possible.
 
Re: Helen Mirren wants to portary The Doctor (Tongue-in-cheek? You dec

Now, I'm just curious, but why is there such an opposition towards a female Doctor? No judging, just curious.

What if Superman, James Bond or Captain Kirk were women? Some characters you just don't do as women.

You want to make Starbuck a woman? Great! But you don't make Zeus a woman...it would just be a completely different character. I know the doctor is all about different, but nah.

I'd be okay with all of that. It's only gender.
 
Re: Helen Mirren wants to portary The Doctor (Tongue-in-cheek? You dec

because it's confusing enough for me that the Doctor changes from one man to another, without making him change into a woman.

Just because you'd get confused by it, doesn't mean children would. I personally think it's an ok idea, it could be fun and would be fun all those sexist fanboys heads exploding because The Doctor, was dare I say it, a woman.
 
Re: Helen Mirren wants to portray The Doctor (Tongue-in-cheek? You dec

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I must admit I'm one of those people who has been adamantly against a female Doctor. BUT...Helen Mirren! Yes, I could be persuaded...
Ditto. I think she'd work fine as One if they ever did a reboot movie; can't really see her taking over from Smith, though. Maybe they should do a story where the Doctor swaps bodies with a woman played by Mirren.
I thought it worked fine with the Doctor and Amy.
 
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Re: Helen Mirren wants to portary The Doctor (Tongue-in-cheek? You dec

because it's confusing enough for me that the Doctor changes from one man to another, without making him change into a woman.

Just because you'd get confused by it, doesn't mean children would. I personally think it's an ok idea, it could be fun and would be fun all those sexist fanboys heads exploding because The Doctor, was dare I say it, a woman.

that's not what i posted. not funny. reported.
 
Re: Helen Mirren wants to portary The Doctor (Tongue-in-cheek? You dec

I think it would be fun as a one-off, Like Jackson Lake, mistaken identity, or alternate reality version, or even as a temporary body before the Regeneration solidified, but, I don't think it would be a good idea for an actual regeneration.

IMHO, The problem with trying it out for a Season, is the hiring lead-time for a next Doctor if it didn't work out, and script writing. We've seen scripts written for an earlier Doctor, being done by a later Doctor (IE: Tennant but played by Smith) and they still taste like the Doctor they were written for. If a Woman was to play the Doctor, the Scripts should be written for a woman specifically, not just a standard script played by a woman. So, if you switched back because it didn't work out, you'd have to scramble to hire "The next Guy" and rework a whole season worth of scripts.
 
Re: Helen Mirren wants to portary The Doctor (Tongue-in-cheek? You dec

If they did decide to go with a female Doctor on TV, the only way to do it would be by leaving no back door. Three-year contract, and make sure it's a good choice. No tokenism; if someone of Mirren's stature were up for it and were the right person for the job, then that and only that should be the primary impetus for a sex change.
 
Re: Helen Mirren wants to portary The Doctor (Tongue-in-cheek? You dec

IMHO, The problem with trying it out for a Season, is the hiring lead-time for a next Doctor if it didn't work out, and script writing. We've seen scripts written for an earlier Doctor, being done by a later Doctor (IE: Tennant but played by Smith) and they still taste like the Doctor they were written for.
For what it's worth, I still think Moffat is writing scripts for an earlier Doctor. To me, Smith's Doctor sounds like Tennant in Moffat's scripts (yes, including the latest Christmas special), while he sounds unlike Tennant in others' scripts.

If a Woman was to play the Doctor, the Scripts should be written for a woman specifically, not just a standard script played by a woman. So, if you switched back because it didn't work out, you'd have to scramble to hire "The next Guy" and rework a whole season worth of scripts.
I don't think that's necessarily true. Mirren recently portrayed Prospero in Julie Taymor's version of The Tempest, while Shakespeare wrote the character as male. I think that even if a Doctor Who script were written for a different actor, the new actor would still bring something new to the performance.

Now I'm imagining Karen Gillan trying to get in Helen Mirren's pants at the end of "Flesh and Stone."

Ahem.
 
Re: Helen Mirren wants to portary The Doctor (Tongue-in-cheek? You dec

IMHO, The problem with trying it out for a Season, is the hiring lead-time for a next Doctor if it didn't work out, and script writing. We've seen scripts written for an earlier Doctor, being done by a later Doctor (IE: Tennant but played by Smith) and they still taste like the Doctor they were written for.
For what it's worth, I still think Moffat is writing scripts for an earlier Doctor. To me, Smith's Doctor sounds like Tennant in Moffat's scripts (yes, including the latest Christmas special), while he sounds unlike Tennant in others' scripts.

If a Woman was to play the Doctor, the Scripts should be written for a woman specifically, not just a standard script played by a woman. So, if you switched back because it didn't work out, you'd have to scramble to hire "The next Guy" and rework a whole season worth of scripts.
I don't think that's necessarily true. Mirren recently portrayed Prospero in Julie Taymor's version of The Tempest, while Shakespeare wrote the character as male. I think that even if a Doctor Who script were written for a different actor, the new actor would still bring something new to the performance.

Now I'm imagining Karen Gillan trying to get in Helen Mirren's pants at the end of "Flesh and Stone."

Ahem.

All that may be true, but, I don't think there's a reason to make the Doctor a Female Actress, if you don't run with it and explore the female side of the character, if you do it just as a gimmick, it would cheapen the show. We already Matt Smith fear he become a woman when he noticed his hair, so, there should defin itely be an exploration of the character's new gender, therefore, the scripts wouldn't work for a male character if you had to switch gears back
 
Re: Helen Mirren wants to portary The Doctor (Tongue-in-cheek? You dec

because it's confusing enough for me that the Doctor changes from one man to another, without making him change into a woman.

Just because you'd get confused by it, doesn't mean children would. I personally think it's an ok idea, it could be fun and would be fun all those sexist fanboys heads exploding because The Doctor, was dare I say it, a woman.

because it's confusing enough for me that the Doctor changes from one man to another, without making him change into a woman.

Just because you'd get confused by it, doesn't mean children would. I personally think it's an ok idea, it could be fun and would be fun all those sexist fanboys heads exploding because The Doctor, was dare I say it, a woman.

that's not what i posted. not funny. reported.

The two of you please take your petty squabbles to another board. It serves no purpose here.
 
Re: Helen Mirren wants to portary The Doctor (Tongue-in-cheek? You dec

The two of you please take your petty squabbles to another board. It serves no purpose here.

I so read that in a Tubs and Edward voice!

I sure will, I would just like to clarify though that I think using the "think of the children" rational is a piss poor reason for not having a female Doctor. From The Doctors Wife and no doubt before that, we know that Time Lords if they wish, can and do change gender, having the Doctor do so would be cool and would open up a fair few story telling possibilities. Just because some sexist fans on the internet would get in a nerd-rage over the doctor having a lady garden instead of a meat and two veg is more reason to do it.

Maybe Miranda Hart should play her/him?
 
Re: Helen Mirren wants to portary The Doctor (Tongue-in-cheek? You dec

IMHO, The problem with trying it out for a Season, is the hiring lead-time for a next Doctor if it didn't work out, and script writing. We've seen scripts written for an earlier Doctor, being done by a later Doctor (IE: Tennant but played by Smith) and they still taste like the Doctor they were written for.
For what it's worth, I still think Moffat is writing scripts for an earlier Doctor. To me, Smith's Doctor sounds like Tennant in Moffat's scripts (yes, including the latest Christmas special), while he sounds unlike Tennant in others' scripts.

If a Woman was to play the Doctor, the Scripts should be written for a woman specifically, not just a standard script played by a woman. So, if you switched back because it didn't work out, you'd have to scramble to hire "The next Guy" and rework a whole season worth of scripts.
I don't think that's necessarily true. Mirren recently portrayed Prospero in Julie Taymor's version of The Tempest, while Shakespeare wrote the character as male. I think that even if a Doctor Who script were written for a different actor, the new actor would still bring something new to the performance.

Yes. Helen Mirren is a magnificent and extraordinary actor. I believe she could make a very convincing Doctor.

Now I'm imagining Karen Gillan trying to get in Helen Mirren's pants at the end of "Flesh and Stone."

Ahem.

I'm sorry, my brain has lost all pudding.
 
Re: Helen Mirren wants to portary The Doctor (Tongue-in-cheek? You dec

my response was based on what Moff said himself and has nothing to do with being sexist. i just think it's a stupid, gimmicky idea.
 
Re: Helen Mirren wants to portary The Doctor (Tongue-in-cheek? You dec

Yes. Helen Mirren is a magnificent and extraordinary actor. I believe she could make a very convincing Doctor.

I think there are any number of women who could do a great job in the role, but I still don't want to see them do it. The Doctor is male. He's been male through all 11 of his regenerations since the show began 50 years ago. Making him a female at this point would just feel too gimmicky, like they were only doing it for shock value.

I'm not saying that they couldn't pull it off or that they couldn't tell great stories; I'm sure they could. But they can also continue to tell great stories without changing such a fundamental character trait.
 
Re: Helen Mirren wants to portary The Doctor (Tongue-in-cheek? You dec

I think there are any number of women who could do a great job in the role, but I still don't want to see them do it. The Doctor is male. He's been male through all 11 of his regenerations since the show began 50 years ago. Making him a female at this point would just feel too gimmicky, like they were only doing it for shock value.

I'm not saying that they couldn't pull it off or that they couldn't tell great stories; I'm sure they could. But they can also continue to tell great stories without changing such a fundamental character trait.
I want to say that as much as I would like to see Helen Mirren as the Doctor (I think she's a fantastic actor and she would do a brilliant job), I don't think she should be the next Doctor. For one thing, her age works against her; the role of the Doctor is a young person's role now, simply because of its physical demands in filming.

I do, however, see a way that she could be the Doctor. Do a multi-Doctor story for the anniversary and cast her as a pre-Hartnell Doctor. :)

(Of course, you'd want to structure it as a one-on-one multi-Doctor story, like "The Two Doctors." Don't overcrowd the thing.)

Once you've done something like that -- establish that the Doctor used to be a woman -- then you could have a female twelfth or thirteenth Doctor without "changing such a fundamental character trait" because that trait -- the Doctor is always male -- has already been subverted.

Right now, as a realistic choice for a female twelfth Doctor, I'd suggest Sophia Myles, Romola Garai, or Kelly Macdonald.
 
Re: Helen Mirren wants to portary The Doctor (Tongue-in-cheek? You dec

I'll just point out the in 'The Doctor's Wife', the Corsair was mentioned as having changed gender several times.
 
Re: Helen Mirren wants to portary The Doctor (Tongue-in-cheek? You dec

Yes. Helen Mirren is a magnificent and extraordinary actor. I believe she could make a very convincing Doctor.

I think there are any number of women who could do a great job in the role, but I still don't want to see them do it. The Doctor is male. He's been male through all 11 of his regenerations since the show began 50 years ago. Making him a female at this point would just feel too gimmicky, like they were only doing it for shock value.

I'm not saying that they couldn't pull it off or that they couldn't tell great stories; I'm sure they could. But they can also continue to tell great stories without changing such a fundamental character trait.

Then again, the Doctor regenerates, and we get a different actor every couple of years, so might as well take advantage of that. If we get a new actor, why not a new gender? The Doctor's only a male because the Doctors have been male up to this point. That doesn't mean The Doctor was never female, or couldn't be female, at least in story lore.
 
Re: Helen Mirren wants to portary The Doctor (Tongue-in-cheek? You dec

The Doctor's only a male because the Doctors have been male up to this point.

This is enough of a reason for me to always keep him male.

I think it would be one thing if there was some precedent for The Doctor being female before, but there isn't. As far as we know, the Doctor has always been male. He was born male. He is male.

I also like to think that his regenerations are influenced at least in part by the TARDIS. I don't think she would allow him to be a female. ;)

I'd much rather see him as a ginger.
 
Re: Helen Mirren wants to portary The Doctor (Tongue-in-cheek? You dec

The Doctor's only a male because the Doctors have been male up to this point.

This is enough of a reason for me to always keep him male.

I think it would be one thing if there was some precedent for The Doctor being female before, but there isn't. As far as we know, the Doctor has always been male. He was born male. He is male.

I also like to think that his regenerations are influenced at least in part by the TARDIS. I don't think she would allow him to be a female. ;)

I'd much rather see him as a ginger.

He's also an enigma of a person, with abilities beyond that of mere humans, so restricting gender in such a case would be absurd on it's face.
 
Re: Helen Mirren wants to portary The Doctor (Tongue-in-cheek? You dec

I just don't see the benefit of doing it. "Because we can" is not a good reason.
 
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