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Where Did Series 8 Go?

Of course maybe the plan is for 12 to appear right at the end of the anniversary special?

That'd be my assumption at this point - the special being a regeneration episode.

Unless it's simply for a budgeting reason (or guest cast availability or location availability), and Smith then films season 8 from February 2013.

But it makes me think we'll see a new Doctor announcement on the news around Xmas 2012
 
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RTD will be happy...

Alternatively Chibnall and Shane Richie...be careful what you wish for.
 
Found this insightful post on GB that sums up the situation and the it's being sold, quite nicely.

"It's all about packaging. 'We're enterting production for the longest amount of time ever!' 'The BBC have commissioned 15 new episodes!' 'The BBC are committed to the show until 2013 at least!' 'The BBC are planning a special for the 50th Anniversary for 2013' are all far more positive than, 'There will be 16 episodes over the space of 2 years rather than 28.'"
 
Found this insightful post on GB that sums up the situation and the it's being sold, quite nicely.

"It's all about packaging. 'We're enterting production for the longest amount of time ever!' 'The BBC have commissioned 15 new episodes!' 'The BBC are committed to the show until 2013 at least!' 'The BBC are planning a special for the 50th Anniversary for 2013' are all far more positive than, 'There will be 16 episodes over the space of 2 years rather than 28.'"

They're also more true than the latter, as far as we know from the facts available.

Assuming a split season 7 and 8 then in 2012 you'll have six or seven episodes (up to a maximum of 8 including the Xmas special - it'll all depend whether it's 7 first then 6 like this year, or the other way round), then 14 or 15 in 2013 - which would would actually make 21 episodes over two years, not 16. Same rule applies counting it from 2011 and 2012 - it's 21 episodes over two years, not 16.

And, following the split season format, you'd then have 28 again over 2013-2014.

Basically, 2012 is the one year when you don't have 14 episodes.
 
Of course maybe the plan is for 12 to appear right at the end of the anniversary special?

I'm wondering/hoping that they're scheduling production of the anniversary special now in order to book the availability of some major guest start, such as a past Doctor.

Mr Awe
 
So we're basically sacrificing a large chunk of 2012 to get overall smaller breaks between episodes from late 2012 onward? I can live with that.
 
So we're basically sacrificing a large chunk of 2012 to get overall smaller breaks between episodes from late 2012 onward? I can live with that.
Also the studio move, probably dictated there would be a gap somewhere as well.
 
So we're basically sacrificing a large chunk of 2012 to get overall smaller breaks between episodes from late 2012 onward? I can live with that.
Also the studio move, probably dictated there would be a gap somewhere as well.

Exactly - the studio move meant they couldn't start filming in September as usual, so it was going to be either a split season and longer gap till season 7, or an unsplit season 6 and an 18-month gap to season 7.

And we all remember how well-loved that was, last time they tried it...
 
Basically bye-bye Moffat and Smith, hello Whithouse and Tovey... :devil:
Guh. Nothing against Tovey, but I'd really hope the next Doctor comes from a little further afield than current British sci-fantasy television.

It also presupposes that Whithouse would automatically hire Tovey in the same way Moffat was automatically going to hire James Nesbitt simply because he'd worked with him before.

Of course RTD had worked with Eccleston and Tennant but it strikes me he had a bit more leeway in terms of hiring/firing than Moffat has (and I imagine any future showrunner will have).

Or maybe Moff just felt there needed to be an audition process (though I doubt it given he seemed to be given a list of actors to audition.)

I can't see Tovey as the Doctor myself.
 
Obviously you can add your own caveats and handful of salt but according to several people with good long-term records of knowing what they're talking about when it comes to scheduling and the like, the future of the series for the next few years looks like this:

2012 Series 7A and Xmas Special

2013 Series 7B, Anniverary Special (Moffat/Smith leave) and Xmas Special (Whithouse/12 arrive)

2014 Series 8 or possibly just Series 8A (late Winter to early Spring)
 
As demonstrated last week when he heard about David Yates at the same time as the rest of us did!
I find it difficult to believe that Moffat didn't know about David Yates' film. He may not have known that Yates was attached specifically, but unless he was living under a rock he had to know that Tranter was developing a Doctor Who film. That was, after all, part of the reason why she went to Los Angeles in the first place. :)

That's Private Eye's take on it:

Yate's interview with Variety heavily hyped across the BBC's own news outlets on 14 November - was the first showrunner Steven Moffat had heard that negotiations had reached such a stage. A sticking point in Moffat's negotiations in 2008 had been his concern about a mooted movie overshadowing his work on the TV series. So failing to give him any advanced warning - not quite least because Yates spoke of the need for "quite a radical transformation" which would "start from scratch" - was, at the, tactless. But then since very senior people at the BBC openly describe Moffat as "problem", this may have been the idea.
 
So we're basically sacrificing a large chunk of 2012 to get overall smaller breaks between episodes from late 2012 onward? I can live with that.
Also the studio move, probably dictated there would be a gap somewhere as well.

Exactly - the studio move meant they couldn't start filming in September as usual, so it was going to be either a split season and longer gap till season 7, or an unsplit season 6 and an 18-month gap to season 7.

And we all remember how well-loved that was, last time they tried it...
After series two they moved production from Imperial Park in Newport to Upper Boat with no delay in filming. From what I can tell, it took less than a month for this move to take place. As things stand, I'm told that the production offices have already moved to the new studios at Roath Lock. If they'd wanted to start production in the autumn then the worst case scenario could have filmed half of the series at Upper Boat and taken a longer than usual break over Christmas and resume filming in early 2012.
 
So Moffat is in trouble with the higher-ups? Oh dear.

I konw I'm biased etc. etc. but there does seem to be some annoyance that two of the BBC's biggest shows, both of which Moffat's in charge of, have ended up with delays in transmission.

They could have shot part of Series 7 this year before the Studio move and been able to show all of it in 2012 but that didn't happen because the other two Producers jumped/were pushed off the show and 'Sherlock' ended up being bumped from late 2011 to early 2012. (And that was after they'd changed schedule to accomadate 'The Hobbit'.)
 
I konw I'm biased etc. etc. but there does seem to be some annoyance that two of the BBC's biggest shows, both of which Moffat's in charge of, have ended up with delays in transmission.

They could have shot part of Series 7 this year before the Studio move and been able to show all of it in 2012 but that didn't happen because the other two Producers jumped/were pushed off the show and 'Sherlock' ended up being bumped from late 2011 to early 2012. (And that was after they'd changed schedule to accomadate 'The Hobbit'.)
I think it's instructive to compare Doctor Who to an American television production, as it shows how badly the situation is being handled, both from a production standpoint and a public relations standpoint.

NBC wouldn't tolerate the kind of delays the BBC is tolerating. They have a schedule they have to fill, and if Moffat isn't ready to fill that schedule, then NBC would replace him with someone who could. And before you say, "But that's not going to happen to an auteur-driven series like Doctor Who," I'd point you to Aaron Sorkin and The West Wing; Sorkin was as much the auteur of The West Wing as Moffat has been of Doctor Who these past two years, and NBC had Sorkin sacked and replaced with John Wells when Sorkin stopped delivering. I would also point out that there was no production delay or "gap year" for Wells to get up to speed; NBC had a schedule to fill.

Moffat can play auteur on Sherlock; that's his baby. He can't play auteur on Doctor Who and make episodes when he feels like it in the same way as he can with Sherlock because there's a "brand" there that needs to be protected and nourished.

Ironically, I think the BBC thinks Sherlock is more important at the moment than Doctor Who; the latter is an established brand, the former is an up-and-coming property than can become a brand. That's the message of Danny Cohen's comments and Moffat's response back in the summer -- the BBC wanted Moffat to focus on Sherlock, but Moffat didn't want to at the expense of Who.

Ideally, what the BBC should have done was to bring in a showrunner to execute Moffat's vision on Doctor Who (basically, kick Moffat up to Exec Producer on Who), freeing up Moffat to work on Sherlock and the other show he's developing for the BBC with Sue Vertue.

I suspect the tipping point will come when BBC Worldwide says, "Hey, guys, you're damaging our profitability over here." The David Yates' Variety report on the film could be a shot across the bow at Worldwide's instigation for Wales to get its fecal matter together.
 
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