FX/editing wishlist/technical/related discussion for STNG-R

[Dick_Valentine]

Wait...they're NOT making new CGI effects, adding ships where previously there were only voice overs referencing ships, changing designs and above all else, removing the 6000 same stock shots of the Enterprise D that we all got bored of by about episode 6 of series 1?

Well, I know it was a bit of a fanboy dream, but that's a bit of a punch in the crotch.

TNG in HD? Seen it 1000 times before, just not quite as shiny.

TNG with new effects? Now that's something worth paying for!

 

[TheSeeker]

As many have pointed out the model work by ILM is top notch. Seeing it in HD will be a real treat. I really doubt they could redo all space shots over again in CGI and have them look as good as the model work. It would take a very large budget.

 

[Dick_Valentine]

As many have pointed out the model work by ILM is top notch. Seeing it in HD will be a real treat. I really doubt they could redo all space shots over again in CGI and have them look as good as the model work. It would take a very large budget.

Not until Midway through series 3 does the model work become even tolerable in my eyes, before then the D is far to brightly light light some sort of ghost ship in space.

After the change in models things get a lot better, however the actual new Model shots are so few and far between that it becomes painful to watch them stage a new battle scene every few weeks using recycled elements we've seen time and time before.
(Most of the battle in Redemption is re-used from Yesterday's Enterprise and they even managed to sneak in the warp shot from TVH despite it breaking continuity between the TNG warp effect and the cheesy cartoony warp streaks of the movies!)

 

[beamMe]

As far as lighting the Enterprise is concerned, they rarely got it better than in the first episode of season three:

 

[Tomalak]

(Most of the battle in Redemption is re-used from Yesterday's Enterprise and they even managed to sneak in the warp shot from TVH despite it breaking continuity between the TNG warp effect and the cheesy cartoony warp streaks of the movies!)

The Stargazer uses the movie warp effect, so there is no problem with 23rd century ships having that effect in continuity terms!

 

[CaptainJack]

I had posted before that I was definatly gonna buy this when it came out. But now after hearing that they are only half-@ssing it forget it.
Im not buying upscaled 90's effects. If they aren't gonna redo the lame effects Im just not buying...
Cheap bastards.

 

[groundhog]

I had posted before that I was definatly gonna buy this when it came out. But now after hearing that they are only half-@ssing it forget it.
Im not buying upscaled 90's effects. If they aren't gonna redo the lame effects Im just not buying...
Cheap bastards.

They're far from half-assing it. They're not upscaling the effects, either. They're recompositing the effects in HD. They'll look brand-new.

 

[Herkimer Jitty]

Have you ever edited video, Captain Jack? It is a pain in the ass. Making a 15 minute short that looks good and flows well can take a long time for an amateur like me.

They can't spruce up the fully-assembled episodes, cause the full episodes on fuzzy video. They have to go back and re-edit the entire series from scratch, with the pacing of the edits exactly as they were before. I don't think you quite realize what a time-consuming and daunting effort that is.

Now, taking the DVD files, doing some lame "upconverting" and stuffing them on a BluRay disk would be half-assing it.

 

[TheSeeker]

Im not buying upscaled 90's effects. bastards.

I see you've been keeping yourself well informed.

 

[CaptainJack]

Well, I have been reading this thread. So let me replace the word "upscaling" with what? "Recomposit" from old 90's effects that I can produce better effects that on my computer?
There, all better.
Still gonna look terrible. Still gonna use the same 4-5 shots of the Enterprise flying by? uggghhh. Why even bother then? Oh thats right, so they can get more money from an old product and still not have to upgrade the old crappy effects to a modern standard.

 

[Herkimer Jitty]

Write George Lucas a letter.

He'll replace ILM with you, oh Grand Poobah.

 

[Tom Servo]

Well, I have been reading this thread. So let me replace the word "upscaling" with what? "Recomposit" from old 90's effects that I can produce better effects that on my computer?
There, all better.
Still gonna look terrible. Still gonna use the same 4-5 shots of the Enterprise flying by? uggghhh. Why even bother then? Oh thats right, so they can get more money from an old product and still not have to upgrade the old crappy effects to a modern standard.

You have absolutely NO idea what you're talking about, at all. Please read up on the subject on what they are ACTUALLY doing before bitching please.

 

[Tosk]

"Recomposit" from old 90's effects that I can produce better effects that on my computer?

Show me.

 

[Dick_Valentine]

The fact is they're recompositing what went before, not getting the models out again and re-filming them or adding in CGI and that for me (and probably Jack) was the only exciting element about the project, the chance to see something "new"

The fact is, recomposit or not, some of the FX will still look dodgy (especially the first 2 seasons as well as the classic "phaser fire out of the torpedo tube" blooper) HD or not, so when they announced no new FX my money was mentally repositioned from a future DVD purchase to being spent on something else.

I've seen TNG in a constant loop for about 20 years now, the only difference to me now is that at some point in the future the re-runs will look a bit sprucer, but I imagine by that point we'll all have digital downloads going straight into our heads so it won't really matter, maybe I'll watch them then and imagine myself some new FX or something

 

[Sean Aaron]

The fact is they're recompositing what went before, not getting the models out again and re-filming them or adding in CGI and that for me (and probably Jack) was the only exciting element about the project, the chance to see something "new"

Pretty much my feelings on the subject. My DVDs will do just fine, "fuzzy" or not.

 

[Squiggy]

The fact is they're recompositing what went before, not getting the models out again and re-filming them or adding in CGI and that for me (and probably Jack) was the only exciting element about the project, the chance to see something "new"

Pretty much my feelings on the subject. My DVDs will do just fine, "fuzzy" or not.

Have either one of you seen the comparison shots?

 

[Flake]

I think people sticking with their DVDs will soon change their minds when we get some high bitrate sample footage and side-by-side comparison photos etc. My DVDs will be given away!

 

[Sean Aaron]

The fact is they're recompositing what went before, not getting the models out again and re-filming them or adding in CGI and that for me (and probably Jack) was the only exciting element about the project, the chance to see something "new"

Pretty much my feelings on the subject. My DVDs will do just fine, "fuzzy" or not.

Have either one of you seen the comparison shots?

I did, but since I don't do Blu-Ray it doesn't really mean anything to me. If they're going to re-release the show on DVD at £10/series I might consider it.

 

[NewHorizon]

Well, I have been reading this thread. So let me replace the word "upscaling" with what? "Recomposit" from old 90's effects that I can produce better effects that on my computer?

They are rescanning all of the original elements into computers, and recompositing them 'with computers'. Do you not understand how much of a difference that can make? They'll have more control over the lighting, no matte lines, the ability to spruce up mistakes and planets with CGI.

Still gonna look terrible. Still gonna use the same 4-5 shots of the Enterprise flying by? uggghhh. Why even bother then?

The Enterprise going to warp in the teaser sure didn't look terrible, it looked fantastic.

If CBS had access to the original 'filmed' elements of the ships for TOS, I'm pretty sure they would have done the same thing. It would have been amazing to see what they could have done with the old TOS ship models with today's tech. They simply had no choice but to CGI everything in those instances, with TNG...they have all the film.

The reason for bothering? Well, the entire concept is to convert the show to HD...it's not some type of 'reimagining' of the show. Personally, I would like the show to be restored with all original elements, as it originally aired. This isn't some sort of revisionist project like the Star Wars movies...and thank goodness for that.

 

[NewHorizon]

The fact is, recomposit or not, some of the FX will still look dodgy (especially the first 2 seasons as well as the classic "phaser fire out of the torpedo tube" blooper) HD or not, so when they announced no new FX my money was mentally repositioned from a future DVD purchase to being spent on something else.

The ships are being recomposited, not the FX, the FX will have to be CGI'd in as they were originally done on video. I'm sure that error will be corrected. There will still be 'new' stuff to see.