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Drugs!!!

...(though I did take a handfull once with a bunch of whiskey and danced for 3 hours with a positively acrobatic gay guy)...

:guffaw:Oh TSQ I'm seeing a totally different side of you now, and I like it :lol:

You should've seen what I was wearing! I was head to foot in silver lame! Silver lame halter dress, silver lame leggings, and silver lame pumps! Hon, I have more faces than my avatar.

:guffaw::guffaw::guffaw:
You go girl!
As bad as it sounds I bet you looked amazing :)
Oh whatever happened to silver lame... I know you just took it all :lol:
 
I was on Paxil for a while. I stopped taking it cold-turkey when I lost my job and health insurance. It's not a fun withdrawal.

I stopped taking it while on a cruise. It was fairly easy for, aside from tearing up at the end of The Sixth Sense when Haley Joel Osmont was revealing his power to his mom.

As for the original topic? My Facebook status of less than an hour ago was "BCUI: baking cookies under the influence" I've put away half a bottle of Trader Joe's Green Fin wine this evening. Is that really much different from most other drugs?
 
I've put away half a bottle of Trader Joe's Green Fin wine this evening. Is that really much different from most other drugs?
The real issue is the way we classify drugs as good or bad, and expanding on that, the processes by which they are approved or made illegal. Most drugs have both positive and negative effects, depending on the dose, the user/patient, and combination, but instead of understanding the subtleties people apply a black and white morality to drugs, and ergo there ensues such nonsense as marijuana being illegal. There is so much politicking and lobbying going on, at least in America, when it comes to the approval and illegality of drugs that it makes one feel almost as if the decisions are all arbitrary.

I know that's not actually the case, nevertheless, I'm as wary about over-the-counter and prescription medications as I would be about anything offered on the street.
 
What fascinates me is people talk about the "evils" of illegal drugs yet don't care about cigarettes that kills thousands each year along with alcohol that kills thousands each year.

The only difference I see between cigs and alcohol and illegal drugs is nobody is getting their head cut off on the US/Mexican border for a pack of Marlboros or some Jack Daniels.
 
The only difference I see between cigs and alcohol and illegal drugs is nobody is getting their head cut off on the US/Mexican border for a pack of Marlboros or some Jack Daniels.

There are a couple of illegal drugs I am curious about, but I would never try them specifically for this reason. Honestly, I think it's a matter of conscience.
 
The only difference I see between cigs and alcohol and illegal drugs is nobody is getting their head cut off on the US/Mexican border for a pack of Marlboros or some Jack Daniels.

Maybe, maybe not. Tobacco (and to a lesser extent, alcohol) smuggling is really big business over here due to the high taxes applied to both, and the people running these operations are not exactly known for sticking to legal protocol when it comes to terminating employment...
 
I use to be hooked on pain killers, but that a different story then getting high because of high stress levels you want to mellow out for a bit.....
 
On a personal note, I hate prescribing any benzo. Frankly, I think they're overprescribed and often used as an easy option (because patients get instant relief, and so pester their doctor less) instead of the drug-of-last-resort I prefer them to be used as. The kind of symptomatic relief they offer pales in comparison to actually treating the underlying cause (either by different psychotropics or talking therapies or both). Benzos are horrid, horrid drugs for a large number of different reasons in my opinion. They have their uses, but only when nothing else works or you desperately need to prescribe something for temporary relief or containment of a risky situation while waiting for something else to kick in.

I have a standing Xanax prescription that I get filled each and every time I get on a plane. Yes - I've traveled all over the world, and am afraid of flying.

Of course, that might have something to do with the near miss almost crash I was in several years back. :p

With Xanax, I'm still absolutely TERRIFIED of crashing and dying. The only difference is that I no longer care that I'm terrified. :lol:

And no...I am not willing to spend a hundred thousand dollars in non-covered mental health fees trying to 'get over it'. I am quite happy with the pills....which get me from point A to point B a lot cheaper...and with a 100% success rate. :D
 
I got off Xanax awhile ago and I was surprised by the lack of side-effects. I don't know what hidden effects it had on my body, of course, but it was remarkably easy to get off of.

I had a different experience. I took Xanax and Ativan without a prescription as a way of self-medicating before I was diagnosed with bipolar disorder. I was in my early 20s, the disorder had just manifested, and on top of that I was going through my teenage rebellious phase a little late. I took it for about 3 months off and on, usually 1 or 2 a day (though I did take a handfull once with a bunch of whiskey and danced for 3 hours with a positively acrobatic gay guy). I realized pretty quickly that I was becoming dependent upon them and so I stopped cold turkey. The withdrawal wasn't too bad, but it was definitely there. My insomnia was terrible and I was really depressed for about 3 days.

That sounds really rough. I'm not looking forward to getting off my antidepressant. I have a feeling it will be quite unpleasant. With xanax I wasn't at a high dose and it was the extended release type, so I'm not sure if that made a difference.
 
I got off Xanax awhile ago and I was surprised by the lack of side-effects. I don't know what hidden effects it had on my body, of course, but it was remarkably easy to get off of.

I had a different experience. I took Xanax and Ativan without a prescription as a way of self-medicating before I was diagnosed with bipolar disorder. I was in my early 20s, the disorder had just manifested, and on top of that I was going through my teenage rebellious phase a little late. I took it for about 3 months off and on, usually 1 or 2 a day (though I did take a handfull once with a bunch of whiskey and danced for 3 hours with a positively acrobatic gay guy). I realized pretty quickly that I was becoming dependent upon them and so I stopped cold turkey. The withdrawal wasn't too bad, but it was definitely there. My insomnia was terrible and I was really depressed for about 3 days.

That sounds really rough. I'm not looking forward to getting off my antidepressant. I have a feeling it will be quite unpleasant. With xanax I wasn't at a high dose and it was the extended release type, so I'm not sure if that made a difference.
It wasn't too bad. It wasn't nearly as bad as withdrawal from the meds I was eventually prescribed.

When I first developed symptoms of bipolar disorder I refused to take meds. Mom mom had run the gamut of pretty much every antidepressant, antipsychotic, upper, downer, and out into the unprescribed territory of heroin and coke. I saw what the drugs did to her when I visited her in the mental hospital, and to me, as a little kid, what I saw in there was worse than the illegal drugs. When I was 12 I was prescribed an antidepressant to treat PTSD. Already at that age I was wary and worried about what it might be doing to my developing brain, and I took it only for a week before refusing any more. (I think I was also aware that the prescription was a bad way of treating my specific trauma as well, though my understanding of the situation and the options weren't as clear as they are now.) This antidrug mindset, also fueled by all the DARE nonsense we were force-fed at school, stuck with me until college. I started to learn about drugs and to make up my own mind, and tried a few things, but I still refused to take prescription meds for the bipolar disorder, even after I was officially diagnosed. The Xanax experience was actually part of what prompted me to seek medication as treatment.

When the bipolar started to get really bad, I started taking Lamictal, a mood stabilizer, and Seroquel, an antipsychotic, as prescribed. I took them for 2 years. I think at the time they were the right choice for me. I had two depressive episodes severe enough that I was contemplating suicide, several hypomanic episodes, and one manic episode so severe that I stayed up 6 days straight with no sleep. At that point it was pretty obvious that I needed medication.

However, after two years of taking them regularly I realized that they were having a negative impact on my life. I quit both cold turkey and at the same time, and the withdrawal was horrendous. I didn't get out of bed for 3 days. I had emotional and physical symptoms, including a horrible buzzing feeling in my hands and feet. It was just awful. I've been off them for a year, though, and much improved because of it. (My withdrawal was nothing compared to watching my mother withdraw from Effexor, though, after seeing what torture that "medicine" causes, it makes me ill that it is legal.)

That's not to say I think my meds were a bad idea, just that as a day-to-day management drugs are not right for me. If I have another truly severe manic or depressive episode, I would take them again to control it, but not every day.
I use to be hooked on pain killers, but that a different story then getting high because of high stress levels you want to mellow out for a bit.....

No, I think that's why most people get high. At least most everyone who's use of drugs is problematic.
 
I find it funny how I've heard people openly talk about taking a Xanax, Lortab, what have you, to de-stress at the end of the day. I guess it's more acceptable to admit that you abuse prescription drugs than illegal ones. Rarely have I heard, "I can't wait to get home to do a line!"

Just irks me.

I get your point about how abuse is abuse regardless of whether the drug is legal or not, but at the same time nothing in your post necessarily describes abusing those drugs. Both Xanax and Lortab can be prescribed on an as-needed basis for anxiety and pain relief, respectively (and chronic migraines or body pains can be a significant source of stress), so taking one at the end of the day to "de-stress" doesn't have to mean the person is abusing it. You shouldn't jump to the conclusion that any use is abuse.

Really? I'm on Lortab as a continual treatment for my cerebral palsy, so I knew about it being used for body pain and migraines, but I didn't know it was prescribed for anxiety. But now that I think about it, I guess that would follow naturally. It also explains why my mom took it for the last six years of her life. She suffered horrible panic attacks. I just thought her doctor gave it to her for her fibromyalga.
 
That sounds really rough. I'm not looking forward to getting off my antidepressant. I have a feeling it will be quite unpleasant.

Ironically, I had the reverse reaction. When my mom died, I was so depressed, my doctor gave me one of those anti-depressants (I don't remember which one now), and after 18 months, it was discovered that the medicine made the depression worse. I just thought I really missed my mom. So, my doctor took me off it, and while we were waiting on insurance approval for a new one (beaucracy, you know), I started feeling better. When I told my doctor this, he took me off those anti-depressants entirely, and my mood has steadily improved ever since.
 
Re: Drugs!!! fyi

My wife was prescribed Klonopin (which I believe is a benzo) for her epilepsy. Long story short, after taking it for four years it was starting to lose it's effectiveness. If she was caught a day or two without them, the seizures would return. Thankfully, she is now taking Kepra and has it under control.

I have seen videos of people who have taken Klonopin long term and after they stopped taking them, well...it wasn't pretty.

Right, these are the friends I have been hanging with in the wards (they put me in) where they shake worse and worse depending on the number of years of use, calming down occurs after 9months to a year IMO from what I have seen.


I was on Paxil for a while. I stopped taking it cold-turkey when I lost my job and health insurance. It's not a fun withdrawal.

I used to read news reports of people detoxing from paxil going off on their family and such, you know postal killing sprees but tapering a paxil detox is much better specially under dr's orders...

I tend to be outside the "normal" of these drug societies, this month or next I do not really know will be 22 years off smoking crystal meth; fourteen and a half years off lsd, 14 whole years with out a beer, pot, a crackpipe or such things, and lets see five and a third months not holding a lit cig in my mouth and inhaling.

also around now would be the thirty some years of psychological therapy 25 in psychiatric care? and about 20 some years in one 12 step thingy, or another.
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when I did get high in college I would spend the day with the wake and bake then mid day mix where I would sit up in bed with the cube of lsd next to the alarm going off for me to take and fall back asleep, If I do not make total sense at times these things might be part of the problem.,,
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as for drugs Mom and Dad were "light" dealers in that they would always have the best stuff just off errrr out of the labs, I did my stint of designing things but lost interest somehow..Dad would say things like "keep the acid away from Billy because he will do all of it" LOL yep that was a 2nd grade quote from my childhood,
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I have typed way too much I know because I do not like it when someone else types even less then this much /// ;P

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I find it funny how I've heard people openly talk about taking a Xanax, Lortab, what have you, to de-stress at the end of the day. I guess it's more acceptable to admit that you abuse prescription drugs than illegal ones. Rarely have I heard, "I can't wait to get home to do a line!"

Just irks me.

I get your point about how abuse is abuse regardless of whether the drug is legal or not, but at the same time nothing in your post necessarily describes abusing those drugs. Both Xanax and Lortab can be prescribed on an as-needed basis for anxiety and pain relief, respectively (and chronic migraines or body pains can be a significant source of stress), so taking one at the end of the day to "de-stress" doesn't have to mean the person is abusing it. You shouldn't jump to the conclusion that any use is abuse.

Really? I'm on Lortab as a continual treatment for my cerebral palsy, so I knew about it being used for body pain and migraines, but I didn't know it was prescribed for anxiety.

No, "both" referred to them both being able to be prescribed to be taken as needed. The "respectively" part referred to Xanax being for anxiety and Lortab for pain. Sorry if it wasn't clear.
 
(My withdrawal was nothing compared to watching my mother withdraw from Effexor, though, after seeing what torture that "medicine" causes, it makes me ill that it is legal.)

It's a necessary evil for me. The withdrawal is a bitch, even just a few hours of missing a dose is horrible. On the other hand, I was never able to break out of my depression until I tried it.
 
What fascinates me is people talk about the "evils" of illegal drugs yet don't care about cigarettes that kills thousands each year along with alcohol that kills thousands each year.

The only difference I see between cigs and alcohol and illegal drugs is nobody is getting their head cut off on the US/Mexican border for a pack of Marlboros or some Jack Daniels.

I think plenty of people enough are against cigarettes, but the biggest difference is that cigarettes and alcohol are already established as accepted in our society, even if not looked on favourably. People don't notice it as much if they're used to it and it's part of our culture.
Also keep in mind that because alcohol and cigarettes are legal, they're going to be more widely used, so their negative effects are going to be more common to the average person.

Me, I've never touched any alcohol, cigarettes, or drugs, so I guess there's no hypocrisy from me either way. :D
 
I get your point about how abuse is abuse regardless of whether the drug is legal or not, but at the same time nothing in your post necessarily describes abusing those drugs. Both Xanax and Lortab can be prescribed on an as-needed basis for anxiety and pain relief, respectively (and chronic migraines or body pains can be a significant source of stress), so taking one at the end of the day to "de-stress" doesn't have to mean the person is abusing it. You shouldn't jump to the conclusion that any use is abuse.

Really? I'm on Lortab as a continual treatment for my cerebral palsy, so I knew about it being used for body pain and migraines, but I didn't know it was prescribed for anxiety.

No, "both" referred to them both being able to be prescribed to be taken as needed. The "respectively" part referred to Xanax being for anxiety and Lortab for pain. Sorry if it wasn't clear.

The mistake was mine. I called my doctor for clarification after reading your post and he told me esstially what you just did.

Anyway, like I said, the mistake was mine, so no harm done.
 
Re: Drugs!!! fyi

I tend to be outside the "normal" of these drug societies, this month or next I do not really know will be 22 years off smoking crystal meth; fourteen and a half years off lsd, 14 whole years with out a beer, pot, a crackpipe or such things, and lets see five and a third months not holding a lit cig in my mouth and inhaling.

also around now would be the thirty some years of psychological therapy 25 in psychiatric care? and about 20 some years in one 12 step thingy, or another.

That's good going. You've definitely led an interesting life! I'm glad you've survived this long :)
 
My sister once told me that a customer who was taking antidepressants was experiencing weird little shocks in her brain, with twitching and head pain. The head pharmacist where she worked said that the "zaps" were a common side effect of that type of antidepressant.

And there are people who fight tooth and nail just to get a prescription to these things!?
 
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