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Star Trek Phase II Enemy: Starfleet! Now Released!

There's no problem with showing a transition between TOS and TMP, but that's not what we're seeing. If we were, the (frankly hideous) Phase II costumes (like that silly outfit Uhura is wearing) wouldn't be there and maybe we'd be seeing some of the TMP uniform features (epaulets, collars, etc.) would be creeping in. Likewise, the computer graphics readouts would start moving in a Lee Cole direction instead of what looks like Okuda designed stuff. Same for hand props.

As for me, I was excited by the idea that Kirk was going to have to make a decision that would affect two entire civilizations, but the dramatic tension was instantly removed by having Kyril's people go "okie doke". Too bad, because it was the best idea in the episode.
 
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It seems like everyone is always scowling in these episodes. I liked the other Chekov and Sulu better. You guys change Spocks more often than most fans around here change their underwear.
 
It seems like everyone is always scowling in these episodes. I liked the other Chekov and Sulu better. You guys change Spocks more often than most fans around here change their underwear.

We would LOVE you to donate the money to pay these actors so well that they could keep doing our series as often as we want them to without having to take other well paying jobs that interfere with our filming schedules just so they can pay their rent and keep eating.

Just go to our website at www.startreknewvoyages.com and hit the "donate" button.

And thank you - from all of us - in advance!!
 
Will that stop your actors from scowling in every scene? If you scroll up, Mr. Snarky, you'll also see that I was giving you guys props for a job well done. I do miss the old Chekov and Sulu and at least one of the other Spocks.. Damn them for wanting to get paid for their time and talents. I'm sure your attitude will generate loads of donations.
Good luck with that.
 
I wasn't being snarky, I was being wishful.... would have winked but thought THAT would come off as snarky rather than "WE wish we could keep our actors too, but these are the sad realities of life.... man do we wish we had the money to keep our actors..."

sorry you saw it as snarky. Wasn't meant to be.
 
I wasn't being snarky, I was being wishful.... would have winked but thought THAT would come off as snarky rather than "WE wish we could keep our actors too, but these are the sad realities of life.... man do we wish we had the money to keep our actors..."

sorry you saw it as snarky. Wasn't meant to be.
Accepted.

:techman:

That said, I wish I could contribute my talents to this (as I have little money!!). I'm an audio guy.

Everything you guys have done has only gotten better and better. The last three installments have shattered my perceptions of how good a fan production can be.
 
Just saw it and I thought it was pretty good. I'll share the beef that the Peter Kirk stuff in the first half just stopped the episode dead, but once he got integrated into the main part of the story in the second half he was just fine.

On a positive note, the episode looked really good. Probably better than any NV/Phase II ep yet. And it's always nice to see Kirk save the day by putting the moves on a woman :lol:

Also, I gotta say, I was a little bummed out when I heard they were gonna do "The Child" because the TNG episode sucked so horrendously, but the "Next on Phase II" scenes actually look okay. I'm eager to see if they'll be able to pull what I suspect is just kind of a crappy story out of the fire. If anyone can do it these guys can.
 
Sorry for sort of posting and running -- I was offline all day yesterday.

I really don't know how to post every instance that I'm talking about without spoiling things, or without watching the episode again taking copious notes of the time codes.

Here are a few that I felt were a little jarring: mentioning modern-day terms like "Firewall" which did not pertain to computers until 1988. It might be the easiest way to get the point across that they're having problems, but it really seemed out of place when the word has never been mentioned in a Star Trek property I've seen (granted, I didn't watch much of Enterprise, but I've seen all of TOS, all the movies, 90% of TNG, 90% of VOY and maybe 1/3 of DS9).

I have no problem with the uniform upgrades and prop and set upgrades. Those are fine. Likewise the use of the plot device used in TWOK was done really well because you used it differently than it was used in the movie.

But there were some specific sequences that were basically carbon copies of sequences in the movies that came afterward. Chekov's meeting with Kirk at the end was very reminiscent of Decker's scene with Kirk -- right down to McCoy being there and the reason for the meeting practically the same. Why not write a new scene that is more appropriate to the plot than making this new episode adapt to something that's already come before (or after, depending on how you look at it).

All this said, I like NV/P2 a lot. And I have nothing but respect, admiration (and jealousy) for what you've accomplished. I just feel like it's time to take the training wheels off and make something that can stand on its own as a Star Trek episode and not be a constant cross-referenced canon exercise that flirts with straight-out plagiarism at times.

I don't think there are actually countless references in our episodes to things that take place after the original series; I think you can probably count them pretty easily. (We make sure not to put in very damn many.)

One of the problems with the The Motion Picture is that it had different costumes, different sets, different make-up, different props, different music, different--well--everything. What was annoying to a lot of Star Trek fans was the silly notion that everything in the entire universe was all "TOS" through the three seasons (through the years 2266-2268, if you will) and up through all the years between TOS and TMP and then all of a sudden, in December of the year 2279, the Federation and the entire universe looked different when the new Star Trek art direction "snapped on."

The conceit of our Phase II series is that there is actually a bit of a continuum between the look of 2268 and 2279. We are trying to build a bridge between the two looks to make the change in the universe less abrupt. So, for example, some people might think that there were no Deltans anywhere in Starfleet up until we finally became aware of their existence in TMP. We take the approach that the universe didn't actually change overnight.

And, of course, for every person who says "Why are you constantly making references to stuff that manifests itself in the future of Star Trek?," there's someone who says "Geez Louise, why are you so fixated on the old TOS show? Can't you please make reference at least once in while to something that we know is going to happen? I mean, it's not like Stafleet built an entire fleet of those little yellow one-man workbee repair craft the day before TMP happened. They had to have been around for some period of time before TMP, didn't they?"

So, Phase II tries to expose the viewer to all the things that are changing throughout the galaxy during this time--rather than having no reference to anything other than TOS and then all of a sudden, in December of 2279 have everyone look around when they wake up one morning and say "WTF? What just happened? How did the look of the entire universe change over night?"



I liked the episode overall, but one of the things that constantly brings me out of it feeling like a real episode of the series and screeching to a halt as yet another fan film are the seemingly constant references to things that happened after the original series.

From my understanding, the timeline of these episodes are the 4th and 5th seasons of the original series up until TMP, right? Must we see countless references to things that come after this episode?

I was going to go into detail, but I wouldn't want to spoil any plot points for people that haven;t watched it yet... but think of it this way: If Kirk and co. have already encountered these things and said some of the same exact lines some 2-3 years earlier, what on Earth would be the drama in their reactions to the exact same things in TMP. TWOK, etc.?

And on another note, I think it's a little jarring to hear references to present (21st century) technology in the 23rd century (that was supposedly filmed in the 1960s, no less). I'm obviously not a purist by any means, but doesn't it make more sense to make a more abstract explanation like they did in TOS than to ground it in 2011? How dated would Enterprise sound if suddenly they started talking about myspace -- just because it was then current?

And I use that example just because I wanted to not spoil the superb plot you guys out together. I'd just like to see the scripts advance as much as the rest of the production has.
 
But there were some specific sequences that were basically carbon copies of sequences in the movies that came afterward. Chekov's meeting with Kirk at the end was very reminiscent of Decker's scene with Kirk -- right down to McCoy being there and the reason for the meeting practically the same.

:confused: :confused: :confused:

Are you talking about the scene were Kirk was going to jump Decker's ass for belaying his phaser order during the wormhole sequence in TMP?

I don't see how that echoes Kirk's scene with Chekov.

In TMP Kirk wanted to tear Decker a new one, and only calmed down once Decker explained his reasoning.

In Enemy: Starfleet! Kirk meets with Chekov to commend him and promote him to Chief of Security.

I'm not seeing the correlation.
 
Yeah -- that's what i was talking about. I realize it didn't play out the exact same way -- but it definitely echoed it.

Maybe I'll shut up now. I used to make Star Trek fan films when I was in high school (from 87-89) and when I look at them now, I see that they were so heavily peppered with lines from real Trek productions that it's distracting from what little original content there was there. I can't tell you how many times Spock uttered the line "That would explain a great many things." in my productions or I made allusions to the then-new Next Generation episodes.

Maybe I see it more than the average fan because of that, but regardless -- if this truly were an episode from Star Trek's fourth season, it would not be referencing episodes or movies as often as our fan films do. Or -- at the very least, if these situations had happened in the series, they would not have been in the movies.

But there were some specific sequences that were basically carbon copies of sequences in the movies that came afterward. Chekov's meeting with Kirk at the end was very reminiscent of Decker's scene with Kirk -- right down to McCoy being there and the reason for the meeting practically the same.

:confused: :confused: :confused:

Are you talking about the scene were Kirk was going to jump Decker's ass for belaying his phaser order during the wormhole sequence in TMP?

I don't see how that echoes Kirk's scene with Chekov.

In TMP Kirk wanted to tear Decker a new one, and only calmed down once Decker explained his reasoning.

In Enemy: Starfleet! Kirk meets with Chekov to commend him and promote him to Chief of Security.

I'm not seeing the correlation.
 
Yeah -- that's what i was talking about. I realize it didn't play out the exact same way -- but it definitely echoed it.

Uh yeah I guess it did, insofar as it was Kirk and McCoy in a room with another guy. Talk about unoriginal!
 
On a production note, I liked Kyril's costume - it very much captures the style and technique of Theiss's work on Trek, IMO.

Yes! I was just thinking about that (I watched the episode a few minutes ago). I loved that uniform and I was going to ask about who designed it.

Anyhoo, regarding the look and feel, I think everyone did a terrific job. This is now my favorite episode to date, and the production values just keep rocketing upward. I was very pleased with the cinematography, particularly the opening scenes, and the visual effects were top notch. The editing was a little ponderous in places, but very tight in the scenes which mattered the most, that being the action scenes. Nice and tightly shot, loved the visuals on the various displays as well.

The acting all around continues to improve. There were some seriously hammy moments, which is a compliment, because TOS played best when there was some bacon sizzling on the slab. As always, the redoubtable John Kelley plays a great Bones, and I am impressed with Mr. Cawley's persona as Kirk, because he's starting to become intuitively Kirk to the point where I'm starting to see the personalities blend together. No offense to the previous Spock incarnations, but Brandon Stacy is my favorite Spock yet. Hopefully he can stick around, because I enjoy his portrayal.

As for the episode itself, the writing was great. There were some very solid one liners, and the story itself was interesting and fun. It's a little hard to explain, but it honestly feels like a TOS episode.

Great, great work. I can't wait to see what's next! :D
 
On a production note, I liked Kyril's costume - it very much captures the style and technique of Theiss's work on Trek, IMO.
I liked it a lot...except the sleeve ends. They didn't work for me. But the rest was ace.
 
This was the best one yet. MARVELOUS!

I LOL'ed at the end of the epilogue scene between Kirk and Chekov. And the wormhole sequence was just bloody thrilling.

WELL DONE!!
 
Great stuff. The quality of this production is fantastic. I'm not a fan film watcher, I can't abide the poor acting, sets and effects for the most part.

I don't even think of this a fan production anymore. You forget you are watching something people are working on for free. I think what they are achieving is a thrilling portend for the future of television. Who was it who said that one day all entertainment will be produced by the consumers themselves? Was it Baudrillard? That guy was right.
 
I don't even think of this a fan production anymore. You forget you are watching something people are working on for free.

"Independant Production" :) :) The PC term..lol
Wait... Fans have to be called Independents????



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