I think he's right on in general though specifically mentioning Jobs isn't quite necessary. Today's youth doesn't have a damn clue. They think it's perfectly ok to be outright thieves and steal someone else's hard work. Pirating and what's happened with the digital age has raised a generation of thieves.
Jon Bon Jovi is being a little bitch
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I can remember all the cries of woe when CD became the dominant format, that it would corporatize music and force the independents out because they couldn't afford the cost of disc manufacturing. A few years later every coffee shop acoustic guitar boho had boxes of his own CDs in his trunk. Technology changes, things shake out, people find a way to make it work.
--Justin
--Justin
There's a reason why almost every artist with more than 2 albums has a Best of.. album out there because about 50% of a normal album's song are just filler. You listen to the songs once or twice and concentrate on the 3-4 really good songs out of 12 or so.
iTunes and its competitors are just cutting out the filler and let you buy exactly what you want and not buy some 2nd grade stuff you would barely listen to.
To me it sounds like nostalgia and "Back in the day.." talk bemoaning a changing world and stuff vanishing that he liked as a kid.
Well.. people today have become a lot more picky about the stuff they spend money on and they will not waste it on stuff that might turn out good.. not with the prices today. So he can keep his nostalgia where it belongs.
iTunes and its competitors are just cutting out the filler and let you buy exactly what you want and not buy some 2nd grade stuff you would barely listen to.
To me it sounds like nostalgia and "Back in the day.." talk bemoaning a changing world and stuff vanishing that he liked as a kid.
Well.. people today have become a lot more picky about the stuff they spend money on and they will not waste it on stuff that might turn out good.. not with the prices today. So he can keep his nostalgia where it belongs.
Jon's rants are like Bad Medicine,
Bad Medicine ain't what we need.
Woah oh oh, shut the fuck up, it's like Bad Medicine,
Steve Jobs is just a guy, he's not the disease.
Bad Medicine ain't what we need.
Woah oh oh, shut the fuck up, it's like Bad Medicine,
Steve Jobs is just a guy, he's not the disease.
I was debating with a co-worker whether or not things would be better if computers and the internet were still at the level they were at in 1990.
I think ultimately that Bon Jovi like myself is just getting old. Is having 100's of albums worth of material in the palm of my hand a terrible thing? I doubt it. Being able to preview music before purchasing it? Really? That's a bad thing? Having access to indies and homespun artists in addition to the big megastars?
I think ultimately that Bon Jovi like myself is just getting old. Is having 100's of albums worth of material in the palm of my hand a terrible thing? I doubt it. Being able to preview music before purchasing it? Really? That's a bad thing? Having access to indies and homespun artists in addition to the big megastars?
I don't know what music you're listening to, but the bands I listen to actually release great albums with a majority of good songs.
(Unless you listen to Pop music where they only worry about the one hit song to push an album full of filler crap)
I tend to agree, but that attitude is very much in the minority and probably always was. I read something in the past year from a media consulting firm that has research on how many digital tracks a listener has per artist. I was surprised to see that the average was 1.1 tracks-per-artist!
The LP album definitely had a heyday in the '60s and '70s, but the casual listener was always interested in singles. It was the formats that were geared toward albums. There was a stigma against 45 singles, because they were cheap, brittle material and didn't sound as good as 12-inch vinyl, especially when consumers started getting into "Hi-Fi". Tape formats and CDs were bad for singles because of their wasted capacity. Some of the desire for single tracks was met by taping from the radio or swapping albums among friends to make mix tapes. Digital audio files have allowed the market for single track purchase, which was always there, to thrive and dominate.
--Justin
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WHAT. THE. POP!
I just did a rough average (total number of mp3s divided by total number of artist folders), and got a figure of 56. That number would be higher, but I listen to a lot of newer bands who only have one or two albums, and a lot of other bands I've only just gotten into recently, so only have a couple of albums. But I have never and would never even consider downloading just a single. If I like a band, I get the album. If a band can't release an album of solid material, then I'm not a fan. But I would never use iTunes in my life. I could easily name 10 of my favourite albums that aren't even on iTunes.
Mind you, I realize that the vast majority of people aren't like me, and treat music like McDonalds. They don't care about quality or quantity, they just care about what's easy and requires no thought, and like their music spoon fed to them instead of seeking out quality music on their own, and don't take music seriously. But not my problem, right?
They don't know what they're missing out on by just listening to one song over and over.
I don't have any mp3s except of albums I have bought on CD, to listen to on my phone, so I can't do any calculation. And of any 45s I have, chances are I have the same tracks on whatever album it is off.
I used to buy a lot of singles when I was a kid, but typically only my favourite bands, and mostly picture discs or coloured vinyls that never actually got played, I have a pretty impressive and valuable Queen collection.
I stick to CD or Vinyl for my album purchases, I never purchase download albums.
I can kinda understand the frustration of music being driven by single tracks instead of the album. Because there really is nothing quite like an album that is amazing from start to finish. However times change. The ability to listen to an entire album and enjoy that album as several brilliant songs creating an extraordinary singular narrative hasn't gone anyway. Anyone can do that anytime they want. There's just more options now. I don't have a problem with that, and Bon Jovi should be grateful he even has a career.
If I miss anything it's going to a really good record store, although Richmond, VA still has Plan 9 Records, so I guess there's that.
If I miss anything it's going to a really good record store, although Richmond, VA still has Plan 9 Records, so I guess there's that.
There is also the simple fact that Bon Jovi was never a band that did albums as narrative. They were, and are, a singles band.
You could almost excuse his fellow Jersey resident Springsteen making this complaint, insofar as Bruce gave us album length narratives like "Born to Run," and "Nebraska." But Bon Jovi of all people to make this complaint just seems silly.
All I know is that I bought an mp3 of one of Bon Jovi's songs from Amazon the other day.
It's very much related to the issue though. That's my point. Piracy has enabled people to steal what they want for free and it destroys not only the experience he's talking about but robs people of the ability to control their own work product.
So for all Jon's ranting, he's still prepared to use the new technology to sell his own material. Not that I criticise him for doing so, but you'd think he'd take a more measured view on it all.
