How is Janeway sexy?

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

Hey Valeris I just clicked on your twitter link and I notice you have a Julia Gillard pic on your twitter avatar.

It's the hair, isn't it.

I think it is, subconsciously.

I'll never tell..

 

[froot]

Not as interesting as Admiral Janeway on VOY would have

(The endgame one.. easily as old as Bujold but.. so.. much.. more.)

Good point. Admiral Janeway was an absolute fox! She's one of the bright points of an episode I pretty much hate.

 

[Dancing Doctor]

Hey Valeris I just clicked on your twitter link and I notice you have a Julia Gillard pic on your twitter avatar.

It's the hair, isn't it.

I think it is, subconsciously.

I'll never tell..

Bujold? I don't think I've seen anything she's been in...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1LGuolsvkI

I actually really like this movie, lol. It's deliciously '70s camp.

This wasn't her best role, though. And she's actually a very good actress (I think she almost won an Oscar?) Star Trek just was not her shtick.

I'm still surprised that she was the initial choice for Janeway.

Not as interesting as Admiral Janeway on VOY would have

(The endgame one.. easily as old as Bujold but.. so.. much.. more.)

Good point. Admiral Janeway was an absolute fox! She's one of the bright points of an episode I pretty much hate.

I liked the constrasts between the two Janeways.

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

Let us reflect on the years forever lost to us, Admiral Janeway's years in the original timeline before she traveled back and fucked it over forever.

 

[Dancing Doctor]

Let us reflect on the years forever lost to us, Admiral Janeway's years in the original timeline before she traveled back and fucked it over forever.

I'd have liked to see something covering those years, since they had a profound effect on her, and the timeline by extension.

BTW, I found this quote from the funeral scene (I forget which book) for Janeway:

For the love I bear her, and for the love each of you still carry with you, I call upon you not to rest until those who are responsible for my sister's death are made to answer for what they have done. If you truly honour what she lived for, if you truly wish to memorialize the contributions she made to this Federation, do not forget how she lived, or how she died. Do not seek to heal this wound. Keep it open. And let it give you the strength you need to find and destroy the monsters who took her from us. Do not take 'no' for an answer. She wouldn't have."

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

BTW, I found this quote from the funeral scene (I forget which book) for Janeway:

For the love I bear her, and for the love each of you still carry with you, I call upon you not to rest until those who are responsible for my sister's death are made to answer for what they have done. If you truly honour what she lived for, if you truly wish to memorialize the contributions she made to this Federation, do not forget how she lived, or how she died. Do not seek to heal this wound. Keep it open. And let it give you the strength you need to find and destroy the monsters who took her from us. Do not take 'no' for an answer. She wouldn't have."

Oh we are keeping it OPEN all right, open and bleeding all over the internet do you hear that peterfuckingdavid?!?!??!

As I recall Chakotay was standing at the edge of the crowd during that scene having an emo attack which he then continued to have for at least 2 books.

 

[Dancing Doctor]

BTW, I found this quote from the funeral scene (I forget which book) for Janeway:

For the love I bear her, and for the love each of you still carry with you, I call upon you not to rest until those who are responsible for my sister's death are made to answer for what they have done. If you truly honour what she lived for, if you truly wish to memorialize the contributions she made to this Federation, do not forget how she lived, or how she died. Do not seek to heal this wound. Keep it open. And let it give you the strength you need to find and destroy the monsters who took her from us. Do not take 'no' for an answer. She wouldn't have."

Oh we are keeping it OPEN all right, open and bleeding all over the internet do you hear that peterfuckingdavid?!?!??!

I'm still self-enforcing that embargo on his books.

As I recall Chakotay was standing at the edge of the crowd during that scene having an emo attack which he then continued to have for at least 2 books.

P-retty much.

I liked the way the new Voyager novels were/are written, but I wasn't all that in favor of Chakotay.

 

[froot]

Let us reflect on the years forever lost to us, Admiral Janeway's years in the original timeline before she traveled back and fucked it over forever.

I'd have liked to see something covering those years, since they had a profound effect on her, and the timeline by extension.

BTW, I found this quote from the funeral scene (I forget which book) for Janeway:

For the love I bear her, and for the love each of you still carry with you, I call upon you not to rest until those who are responsible for my sister's death are made to answer for what they have done. If you truly honour what she lived for, if you truly wish to memorialize the contributions she made to this Federation, do not forget how she lived, or how she died. Do not seek to heal this wound. Keep it open. And let it give you the strength you need to find and destroy the monsters who took her from us. Do not take 'no' for an answer. She wouldn't have."

I've read a couple fanfics about the "missing years." One was well-written, IIRC, but it was absolutely, unequivocally dark. Like, extremely dark. But it actually sort of fit into canon.

That quote is from Full Circle, by the by. It's Phoebe Janeway's speech at the funeral. Peter David wouldn't have written something nice like that for Janeway. Plus I'm sort of wondering if that was Kirsten Beyer's way of inserting her opinion on the whole debacle.

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

BTW, I found this quote from the funeral scene (I forget which book) for Janeway:

Oh we are keeping it OPEN all right, open and bleeding all over the internet do you hear that peterfuckingdavid?!?!??!

I'm still self-enforcing that embargo on his books.

As I recall Chakotay was standing at the edge of the crowd during that scene having an emo attack which he then continued to have for at least 2 books.

P-retty much.

I liked the way the new Voyager novels were/are written, but I wasn't all that in favor of Chakotay.

I got very very weary of him. Not that it didn't sort of fit his character, potentially. It's the dwelling on the angst which Treklit sometimes does really badly IMHO.

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

The missing years would make a great book, with the right writer. Sometimes they are really excellent when they can sidestep canon/timeline constrictions and just have at it.

 

[Dancing Doctor]

Let us reflect on the years forever lost to us, Admiral Janeway's years in the original timeline before she traveled back and fucked it over forever.

I'd have liked to see something covering those years, since they had a profound effect on her, and the timeline by extension.

BTW, I found this quote from the funeral scene (I forget which book) for Janeway:

For the love I bear her, and for the love each of you still carry with you, I call upon you not to rest until those who are responsible for my sister's death are made to answer for what they have done. If you truly honour what she lived for, if you truly wish to memorialize the contributions she made to this Federation, do not forget how she lived, or how she died. Do not seek to heal this wound. Keep it open. And let it give you the strength you need to find and destroy the monsters who took her from us. Do not take 'no' for an answer. She wouldn't have."

I've read a couple fanfics about the "missing years." One was well-written, IIRC, but it was absolutely, unequivocally dark. Like, extremely dark. But it actually sort of fit into canon.

I'm scared now.

That quote is from Full Circle, by the by. It's Phoebe Janeway's speech at the funeral. Peter David wouldn't have written something nice like that for Janeway. Plus I'm sort of wondering if that was Kirsten Beyer's way of inserting her opinion on the whole debacle.

I had thought it was from Full Circle. I knew for a fact it wasn't Before Dishonor.

And I would love it if that were Kirsten Beyer's opinion.

Oh we are keeping it OPEN all right, open and bleeding all over the internet do you hear that peterfuckingdavid?!?!??!

I'm still self-enforcing that embargo on his books.

As I recall Chakotay was standing at the edge of the crowd during that scene having an emo attack which he then continued to have for at least 2 books.

P-retty much.

I liked the way the new Voyager novels were/are written, but I wasn't all that in favor of Chakotay.

I got very very weary of him. Not that it didn't sort of fit his character, potentially. It's the dwelling on the angst which Treklit sometimes does really badly IMHO.

Definitely agreed, particularly with the dwelling. I mean, jeezus...

The missing years would make a great book, with the right writer. Sometimes they are really excellent when they can sidestep canon/timeline constrictions and just have at it.

 

[el Chalupacabra]

Hearing about Janeway dying in the novels pissed me off as much as Chewie dying in NJO. This is why I refuse to read it!

The only times Janeway died were alternate universe versions like, Timeless, Year of Hell, and Endgame. Janeway Prime is alive and well!!!


If it didn't happen on screen, it didn't happen. F/U Peter David.

 

[JanewayRulz!]

*sets up table for Kool-Aid and PB&J sandwiches*

Was TBBS mostly positive or negative about VOY when it was on the air?

Hmmm, it was fairly negative and a huge PITA. If you wanted to talk VOY without getting into a street brawl, it was better to talk on places like Coffee Nebula or Delta Chat or other off-site forums, not here. I'm not sure why anyone with a modicum of affection for the show tortured themselves by coming here at all, actually

I guess we were gluttons for punishment.

Agree.

I "grew up" at the nebula, and peeked in here a few times during Voy's run, but usually ran from the site screaming in terror.

When I found Jim's Delta Blues site and his reviews... well, I was in heaven!

And to all you gals jealous of Naomi because you were her age when Voyager started, I have just one thing to say.

"Whippersnappers!"

 

[T.D. Possum]

Does it have to be coffee-flavored Kool Aid?

Although it is the official non-alcoholic beverage of choice for this thread, had J. Ashmore politely demurred, I was counting on y'all to offer her a nice Gin Rickey.



In other news:

LMAO. I didn't read the above post closely and thought it was Teacake saying "whippersnappers". I was about to make a crack about her sounding like J'Rulz, then I looked again and saw that it WAS J'Rulz.

 

[HoneyBLilly]

I'll drink/eat various coffee-flavored foods.

Coffee cake
Cappuccino ice cream/ I have not found coffee ice cream
An I love coffee

Coffee-flavored koolaid just makes my stomach turn

 

[Dancing Doctor]

I'd stick to Gin Rickeys, myself.

 

[HoneyBLilly]

I'll have to try one after my motherly duties are over. Start weening in three months YAY! If teacake's reaction is anything to go by they must be good.

 

[Mary Ann]

I love the look she gets when she sees the parameters for Arachnia's outfit.

You beat me to this, but then I'm very much in the wrong timezone for this discussion, which is why I lurk here.

Madzilla, welcome! I must have about a gazillion...well, ok, a few dozen of your icons. I've been on LJ for about 10 years and am completely incapable of making icons, so I, erm, "borrow" them from others.

Edit: Before Dishonor should be banished from the universe. I made the mistake of buying it and reading it all the way through. It was promptly donated to some poor, unsuspecting charity shop, and my opinion of Peter David went down the toilet.

 

[HoneyBLilly]

Edit: Before Dishonor should be banished from the universe. I made the mistake of buying it and reading it all the way through. It was promptly donated to some poor, unsuspecting charity shop, and my opinion of Peter David went down the toilet.

I agree with what Valeris said, at least I think she said it maybe it was teacake, if Janeway was going to die in the novels it should have been someone who had respect for her. Not in a fanboy rage because he didn't think Janeway deserved to be an Admiral over Picard or anything(hey, reference to that other Janeway thread about her becoming an admiral)

 

[J.Ashmore]

I'm also a fan of Janeway and Tuvok.

Janeway and Tuvok, FTW!!!!!!!!

Does it have to be coffee-flavored Kool Aid?

Although it is the official non-alcoholic beverage of choice for this thread, had J. Ashmore politely demurred, I was counting on y'all to offer her a nice Gin Rickey.

Hey, I'm cool with Coffee-Flavored Koolaid or Gin Rickey's! Heck, I'll take seven, please!

I agree with everything that's been said about Before Dishonor. Peter David is officially shunned in my life. Peter who? When I get Q-Squared I'll just pretend I can't read the front cover and just assume a nice, lovely person wrote that book. Not some Earth-shattering, killing-off-my-hero jerk. Thanks Peter David, thanks.

At least she's off with Lady Q/K'Ehleyr.