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Reconciliation Idea for Trek XII/XIII/XIV

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Trek XII shows us that the interference and destruction caused by Nero have destabilized all sorts of things in every empire in known space. Everyone is pissed with everyone else, and it looks like the brink of an all-out war. Kirk and crew take aboard Ambassador Spock and another Federation ambassador (Admiral Pike?) to attend a conference of all of the major powers that aims to reestablish some sort of stability. There's several attempts to sabotage the conference, headed off one after another by the crew of the Enterprise working off of Spock Prime's advanced knowledge of the factions involved - and frequently involving a bit of humor and fan-wankery. It looks like the conference will be a success - until it is completely derailed in the last minutes of the movie by something Spock failed to anticipate - a Ferengi arms merchant who wants war just to sell weapons, and who was behind the conference in the first place, because unbenownst to any on board the Enterprise (except Pike?) he has also been using it as a gun show. Movie ends with all of the representatives of the major powers leaving, clearly with the intent of taking their people to war against one or more of the other factions, and then some sequence with the Big Three talking about what it all means.

Trek XIII opens with a (joyously fanwankish) free-for-all space battle over possession of a source of Omega particles - some ancient artifact (Iconian? Preserver?) that the same Ferengi merchant from the last movie has tried to auction off to the highest bidder. When the auction ended, every losing faction decided to try to take it by force. One Romulan ship escapes with the artifact, and the Enterprise pursues. Kirk and Spock manage to steal the artifact by disguising themselves as Romulans following a plot very much like the TOS episode "The Enterprise Incident". Escaping from Romulan space, the crew is pleased - until they begin receiving transmissions indicating that large portions of space, including major worlds of the Klingons, Romulans, and Federation (including Earth), have all been destroyed by Omega particle weapons, and that remaining worlds are being overrun by troops from something called The Dominion. A wide-broadcast communication reveals that the Ferengi merchant was actually a Founder, who gloats that the worlds of the Alpha and Beta quadrant solids have fallen to their own stupidity, because they were each willing to buy Omega particle weapons made with particles harvested before the auction, weapons that could be detonated remotely by the Dominion. The Enterprise goes to hide with the Vulcan survivors, whose location had been kept secret from the general public for security reasons. They are there for an unspecific amount of time, when Ambassador Spock tells the Big Three that the artifact that the Dominion used was never found in his own timeline, and that he is now worried that it will be and used to horrible effect in the Prime universe. He and young Spock have calculated the means to return to his home time and universe... but he needs a ship to take him. The three discuss it, alone, at which point Spock reveals to Kirk and Bones a plan to set their own universe right again by using the calculations for slingshot that older Spock showed him. Once they arrive, they will immediately go back in time in the Prime universe to stop the events that destroyed Romulus and sent Nero and Spock back in the first place....

XIV: TNG/NuTOS Crossover in which they succeed, but end up stuck in the Prime late 24th century. :D

I figure this is all pretty dumb, with lots of awesome fanwanks, ships, and explosions. So needless to say, I eagerly anticipate being contacted by Abrams and Co. any minute now. :techman: :rommie:
 
I think the movies need to be...a bit less complicated.

And the jump to the new universe has been established. No need to reference it ever again, or bring Nimoy back into the picture.
 
Yup - I agree with what's pretty much already been said - move on. The Prime universe is done for the foreseeable future on the big screen (and probably the small).
 
Honestly, I'm fine with them just continuing from where the last movie left off in the nu23rd century - I liked the movie a lot. I was just trying to envision an Ultimate Showdown of Ultimate Destiny sort of thing: Lots of action, explosions, time travel, ships from all of the races and other eye candy that probably works best if you don't think too much, and a budget of 20 gazillion dollars. ;)
 
Well, what made XI so popular was that it didn't come with all the baggage that the 24th century stories came with. It was a fresh start and no one had to know anything about Star Trek to enjoy it. Crossing dimensions again with a bunch of fanwankish crap would be box office suicide for the next film. They need to keep it simple and keep it exciting if they want to continue being successful.
 
Crossing dimensions again with a bunch of fanwankish crap would be box office suicide for the next film. They need to keep it simple and keep it exciting if they want to continue being successful.
I see your point, but I think you may actually be giving the average movie-goer too much credit. I think that as long as a movie contains plenty of eye-candy (especially good looking actors and actresses), action, and explosions, it will work well as a summer blockbuster even if it doesn't make any sense. I seriously believe that you could make a movie entirely out of hot people in sexy outfits breaking into different types of places and then blowing them up in really neat ways, with absolutely no explanation as to why any of it is happening, and you'd have a hit on your hands.

My point being that I believe the explanation can be as convoluted and fanwankish as you'd like, and as long as you have those other elements right and don't spend too much time on the explanation, the average viewer won't care. Several of my friends loved Inception and still have no idea what it was about. Before Episode III came out, I knew people who saw and liked the first two Star Wars prequels, and had no idea that Anakin was Vader until I told them!
 
Why people always feel the need to go in a thread like to say "It's not gonna happen" is beyond me. And then it eventually always revolves around "facts" why or why not such an idea works with an audience (that is only existing in the heads of the posters, hence it is totally flexible for argumentation purposes). Then, at some point, terms like "common sense" are thrown around, implying that one poster has more sense than the other. It's always just "my opinion is greater than yours" nonsense.

Just like the idea or like it not. But stop arguing with imaginary box office and fantasized audience reception, it's pointless and silly. And please stop that "it's not gonna happen" nonsense. Of course it's not gonna happen. Everyone knows that. But why the hell do you care?
 
Why people always feel the need to go in a thread like to say "It's not gonna happen" is beyond me. And then it eventually always revolves around "facts" why or why not such an idea works with an audience (that is only existing in the heads of the posters, hence it is totally flexible for argumentation purposes). Then, at some point, terms like "common sense" are thrown around, implying that one poster has more sense than the other. It's always just "my opinion is greater than yours" nonsense.

Just like the idea or like it not. But stop arguing with imaginary box office and fantasized audience reception, it's pointless and silly. And please stop that "it's not gonna happen" nonsense. Of course it's not gonna happen. Everyone knows that. But why the hell do you care?
Are you suggesting that there are, in fact, fools to be pitied, here? :lol:
 
I seriously believe that you could make a movie entirely out of hot people in sexy outfits breaking into different types of places and then blowing them up in really neat ways, with absolutely no explanation as to why any of it is happening, and you'd have a hit on your hands.

Prove it by producing one and making some money on it.

That's not going to happen.

If anything, my respect for "the audience" has declined less as a result of looking at what succeeds in the theater and what doesn't than it has as a result of reading fan commentary on the Internet. Oof!
 
Is this your equivalent of "Bazinga"? Because, oh snap, I am sooo stung by getting a curmudgeonly response out of the guy that gives curmudgeonly responses every time he posts. :p

I'm not a movie producer, so it hardly proves anything to suggest that I make it, but I'm sure that a producer could, in fact, make exactly the movie I described and make money. It wouldn't surprise me if someone pops up and says that it has already been made, really.
 
I think the movies need to be...a bit less complicated.

And the jump to the new universe has been established. No need to reference it ever again, or bring Nimoy back into the picture.

I have to agree here. I don't want the next movie using Nimoy or trying to reconcile things for disgruntled fans. There is no way to make everyone happy and Trek itself has contradicted itself many times over despite being one franchise that has tried to keep everything in continuity. The fact is, it was time for a change. Just accept it and move on. I appreciate all Trek from all the series to the cartoon to the movies to the fiction. Not all of it is good, and not all of it works, but it's still Trek.
 
They will reconcile the whole reboot business by ending the last of the films with Bob Newhart waking up next to Suzanne Pleshette telling her about this strange bizarre dream he had.
 
They will reconcile the whole reboot business by ending the last of the films with Bob Newhart waking up next to Suzanne Pleshette telling her about this strange bizarre dream he had.

How about Dallas style instead since that might include Uhura in the shower? :D
 
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