The Borg were already known to Starfleet for 100 years

[ProtoAvatar]

To be sure, it would be impossible to do a computer search on military records today - least of all military records from two centuries ago. Regardless of whether those records were digitized or not.

Actually, as long as you have the necessary security clearance and access to the computer/network, you can do a computer search on military records quite easily.
And you will find quite easily - and fast - what you are looking for, if this information is in the system.

Oh, and on the Hansens having a detailed scale model of a Borg cube... I actually find it more likely that they would have this than that they would know the Borg are a collective intelligence. Any fool could take a visual snapshot of a mysterious ship they see at a survivable distance. Only very few would find out who fly those ships and what their culture is like, and survive to tell the tale.

The Hansens - two exobiologists - had both the detailed scale model and information about the borg mentality.

It's highly unlikely they acquired such detailed information on their own. Or that they acquired their state of the art ship on their own.

On the other hand, if helped by a starfleet intellience which already had detailed information on the borg, which kept its eyes open about anything regarding cybernetic vampires - all this becomes quite plausible.

The idea that they would operate a "state of the art vessel" is unsupported, because the concept of spacecraft available to the layman has been part and parcel of Star Trek from the very first aired season on.

Is it?
Such runabouts entered starfleet service only at DS9's beginning when they were the latest, a new class of ships - that was long after the Hansen's departure.
And, as we saw in DS9, the runabout tech was classified - the cardassians were not supposed to know it.

Also, as we saw on several occasions during the series, the 'ships' in private persons' hands/traders/etc - including human ones - were substantially below starfleet standard.

 

[Saquist]

About starfleet 'forgetting' about the cybernetic zombies - I find this absurd, especially considering the amount of evidence gathered during the episode: from the remnants of the sphere to detailed scans of borg drones to 2 drones floating in space.
Then there was the information the el'aurians brought with them.

Indeed, it's a completely irrational assertion. Information isn't merely forgotten, it's lost and technology serverse to prevent the loss of information. This is all after the Eugenics Wars and WW III. It's one thing to suggest the information was destroyed in a cataclysm it's another to go against a historical trend of the preservation of information for no logical possibility.

Starfleet intelligence most likely classified all this information, considering it won't be relevant for some time to come.

Classified information is generally considered sensitive to national security. Understandable if threats like aliens were unknown to the general public. But they're not. Earth has been attacked.

Further as a precedent information of this kind is declassified after a hundred years because it only serves to blind and hinder explorations awareness of hidden dangers. Completely irrational in a age of alien empires and hostile encounters of every type.

 

[ProtoAvatar]

Starfleet intelligence most likely classified all this information, considering it won't be relevant for some time to come.

Classified information is generally considered sensitive to national security. Understandable if threats like aliens were unknown to the general public. But they're not. Earth has been attacked.

Earth had not been attacked by the borg at that time.

Further as a precedent information of this kind is declassified after a hundred years because it only serves to blind and hinder explorations awareness of hidden dangers. Completely irrational in a age of alien empires and hostile encounters of every type.

Starfleet policy throughout TOS/TNG/etc was to classify information on anything that was considered too dangerous and could be classified.
How many planets were quaranteened, while the 'why' of the quarantine was classified during those series?

Irrational?
"Starfleet intelligence most likely classified all this information, considering it won't be relevant for some time to come.
Plus, such an action is consistent with Federation philosophy - a Federation that believs showing itself to less technologically advanced species will lead to the mass suicide of this species should have no problem believing that making known the existence of a more powerful force (the borg/near-unstoppable cybernetic zombies) to its own people will lead to mass suicide and extinction in its midst."
No more irrational - and, indeed, far more rational - than 'Homeward' - and based on the same 'prime directive' rigid interpretation:

 

[F. King Daniel]

While it's silly that Starfleet would "forget" about the Borg between ENT and TNG...

1. It's a TV show.

2. In real life, real governments have misplaced all sorts of important documents. I have no trouble believing similar happening in Trek over the course of two hundred years.

3. Just because Picard's Enterprise-D didn't know about one event on Earth two hundred years earlier, it's not the end of the world. This is the same Picard who thought Klingon first contact was "disasterous", after all, on the same Enterprise-D on which Data claimed that nothing resembling a "hole in space" had ever been encountered before

 

[Saquist]

Earth had not been attacked by the borg at that time.

Are you saying that the Xindi assault on Earth is not considered an attack as I asserted or are you trying at miss direction because I don't understand how your statement is a proper reply.

Starfleet policy throughout TOS/TNG/etc was to classify information on anything that was considered too dangerous and could be classified.
How many planets were quaranteened, while the 'why' of the quarantine was classified during those series?

You're saying one example of Talos for all hostile contact is the justification for your assertions?

Irrational?
"Starfleet intelligence most likely classified all this information, considering it won't be relevant for some time to come.

Yes irrational. That is what I said and despite this statement it still applies. It is not rational to classify a threat after one incursion and a collaborative effort to destroy the Earth which...became common knowledge....

sorry...

Plus, such an action is consistent with Federation philosophy - a Federation that believs showing itself to less technologically advanced species will lead to the mass suicide of this species should have no problem believing that making known the existence of a more powerful force (the borg/near-unstoppable cybernetic zombies) to its own people will lead to mass suicide and extinction in its midst."
No more irrational - and, indeed, far more rational - than 'Homeward' - and based on the same 'prime directive' rigid interpretation:

I don't understand.
What belief in mass suicide?
What Federation philosophy?
What extinction?
What is "Homeward?"

 

[Saquist]

While it's silly that Starfleet would "forget" about the Borg between ENT and TNG...

1. It's a TV show.

True, but forgive me that's a given.
We're considering the realistic possibility, which I also thought was a given.

2. In real life, real governments have misplaced all sorts of important documents. I have no trouble believing similar happening in Trek over the course of two hundred years.

That's not true to the superlative degree I hope you know.
In other words inconsequential information maybe lost but such is not indicative of every situation which would more indicative of incompetence.

Which is not something I would NOT be willing to entertain with out pursuant reason.

3. Just because Picard's Enterprise-D didn't know about one event on Earth two hundred years earlier, it's not the end of the world. This is the same Picard who thought Klingon first contact was "disasterous", after all, on the same Enterprise-D on which Data claimed that nothing resembling a "hole in space" had ever been encountered before

It's inconsistent...and that's what we're talking about.

 

[UssGlenn]

The idea that they would operate a "state of the art vessel" is unsupported, because the concept of spacecraft available to the layman has been part and parcel of Star Trek from the very first aired season on.

Is it?
Such runabouts entered starfleet service only at DS9's beginning when they were the latest, a new class of ships - that was long after the Hansen's departure.
And, as we saw in DS9, the runabout tech was classified - the cardassians were not supposed to know it.

Also, as we saw on several occasions during the series, the 'ships' in private persons' hands/traders/etc - including human ones - were substantially below starfleet standard.

Why is the level of tech of runabouts relevant? The Raven wasn't a runabout, it was a ship with 4 decks. It has a vaguely similar profile but that's where the similarity ends.

 

[ProtoAvatar]

Saquist

"Are you saying that the Xindi assault on Earth is not considered an attack"
I am saying an attack by the Xindi is NOT an attack by the borg.
The former could not be classified and were an immediate threat; the latter could be classified and were not an immediate threat.


"You're saying one example of Talos for all hostile"
Talos, Genesis, TNG:'Skin of evil'. Time travel technology. Most likely I'm forgetting a few other instances.
In any case, these examples are enough to establish a policy consistent over a century. Serious, non-immediate threats, susceptible of being classified ARE classified.


"It is not rational to classify a threat after one incursion and a collaborative effort to destroy the Earth which...became common knowledge...."
Are you talking about the Xindi threat? If there was any way of keeping that secret, there was a good chance it would have been kept quiet, too.

Irrational? It does raise questions about freedom, how powerful is the state, access to knowledge, etc.
But it is also starfleet policy - a fact established repeatedly on-screen. If starfleet/the federation can classify an overpowering but non-immediate threat from its citizens, it does so.

"What belief in mass suicide?
What Federation philosophy?"
TNG: Homeward.
Picard&the enterprise just sit by and let an entire pre-industrial species dissapear - when they could have saved many from that species.
Why?
Apparently, according to the prime directive, when a less advanced culture discovers the existence of more powerful civilizations, it is overwhelmed and commits mass-suicide, becoming extinct.

Non-sense? I agree. Not non-sense according to Picard&co, according to the federation philosophy, though.
Hiding the existence of more powerful actors from your own people for fear of mass-suicide or other negative consequences is a natural outgrowth of such philosophy.


Of course, there's not really a need to recourse to such explanations. The military's tendency to classify just about anything can be classified - irrational or not - more than explains why they classified a threat that was both severe and far from immediate.

 

[ProtoAvatar]

The idea that they would operate a "state of the art vessel" is unsupported, because the concept of spacecraft available to the layman has been part and parcel of Star Trek from the very first aired season on.

Is it?
Such runabouts entered starfleet service only at DS9's beginning when they were the latest, a new class of ships - that was long after the Hansen's departure.
And, as we saw in DS9, the runabout tech was classified - the cardassians were not supposed to know it.

Also, as we saw on several occasions during the series, the 'ships' in private persons' hands/traders/etc - including human ones - were substantially below starfleet standard.

Why is the level of tech of runabouts relevant? The Raven wasn't a runabout, it was a ship with 4 decks. It has a vaguely similar profile but that's where the similarity ends.

It was called a runabout during VOY.
In any case, its level of technology surpassed what we saw in the hands of private citizens; it was starfleet-level tech.

And, if it was so large - 4 decks - it becomes even more improbable that a pair of xenobiologists on their own could obtain such a ship.

 

[F. King Daniel]

^In a future with no money, surely they just walk up and take it?

 

[Timo]

Actually, as long as you have the necessary security clearance and access to the computer/network, you can do a computer search on military records quite easily.

But coming up with that access is basically impossible. Today in the real world, and quite probably in the 24th century in the Trek universe, too. And having access to one sub-section doesn't give you the possibility to do a search, because such data is always highly segmented.

The Hansens - two exobiologists - had both the detailed scale model and information about the borg mentality. It's highly unlikely they acquired such detailed information on their own.

It isn't. A photo of a Borg ship would be a plausible if meaningless tidbit for them to have; a general idea about the Borg nature would be what they get if they have even one eyewitness statement or rumor about assimilation. Those are the very first things one stumbles upon regarding the Borg, from two different angles. No doubt much easier to get than, say, a map and duty roster of Starbase 11.

Or that they acquired their state of the art ship on their own.

There is no state of the art ship in the episode. Just a generic ship. It's not a "runabout" as shown in DS9. It's certainly not called "runabout" in VOY, contrary to the above claim (neither in "Raven" nor in "Dark Frontier"). It does not display any runaboutish characteristics, either, nothing to suggest that it would be high tech; everybody and his idiot cousin has those "LCARS" displays on their generic starships in the 24th century.

Generic ships of all sizes have been available to everybody at least since TOS and perhaps ENT. The Hansens don't need any more "secret government backing" than Harry Mudd or Cyrano Jones or, for that matter, the Boomers of ENT.

...it's another to go against a historical trend of the preservation of information for no logical possibility.

Information disappears all the time, despite the pious wishes of some. It's a highly perishable commodity; most of the information gathered and processed in the first half of the 19th century can be considered gone already. Records decay, are generally ill kept and not made cross-accessible, and fundamentally are not meant to be accessed except by the select few. Active efforts are constantly underway to destroy records, for completely benign reasons having to do with the cost of maintaining them, in addition to various benevolent reasons.

It just isn't realistic to categorically suggest that information would tend to survive. One has to make specific claims about strategically important or scientifically or politically interesting information surviving (but the Borg stuff might not have been recognized for that), or about bountifully copied information surviving (but the Borg stuff might well have been kept in select few storage entities, not endlessly copied, especially if there was no desire to let the information be processed by the "general public" at the time of its gathering), or about certain types of information such as digitally stored stuff surviving (but we have no evidence of the survivability of digitally stored information even in the real world, and some evidence in Trek that such information from the 20th century has already been Swiss-cheesed by the 23rd).

Really, the burden of argument ("proof" would be a bit silly on this element of fiction) is on establishing that the specific piece of information regarding the Borg would both have survived and seen further use in the 24th century. It may well have happened, it may not have happened. We don't know the exact odds, but the general perishability of information is a given anyway.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Psion]

So I've just been watching Enterprise for the first time. It seems to me a massive continuity error that Enterprise encountered the Borg over 100 years before the supposed first contact by Picard's crew in TNG. Why didn't Starfleet know all about the Borg from Archer's encounter with them? Don't tell me if it's revealed later in the series, but it seems like a big continuity error to me. It also seems to go against the spirit of what was shown in TNG, since it was portrayed as first contact.

Since there's time travel involved, there's no contradiction.

In Q Who? the Enterprise-D was the first Federation vessel to encounter the Borg and live to tell (the Hansens and Neutral Zone outposts had previous contact, but didn't get to report).

Then in First Contact, the Borg left wreckage on 21st Century Earth, which created a new timeline in which Starfleet encountered the Borg even before the formation of the Federation. Presumably in this timeline the events of Q Who? happened differently, but we never see it.

Yep. I've been beating the "alternate timeline" drum since Enterprise first aired. In the original timeline, NX-01 probably had an entirely different name, and possibly a different hull configuration. After First Contact, when Cochrane had seen the Enterprise-E, and Lily had crawled around in her guts, they had enough knowledge to significantly alter history. Cochrane's knowledge of the future undoubtedly influenced the name of NX-01, and probably even provided clues about hull shapes and engine design that changed the appearance of the ship. The NX-01 seen in Enterprise is probably bigger and slightly more advanced than in the original timeline.

Then there's the Borg fragments in Antarctica. They regenerate, take over a ship, and interact with Starfleet's most advanced vessel. None of this is forgotten or lost ... it goes into the vast hopper of Starfleet Intelligence and other organizations within the nascent United Federation of Planets and they build bigger, more powerful ships.

In the 23rd century, a Starfleet vessel encounters a Romulan mining ship from the future and --

Well, you know the rest.

The only thing that doesn't fit in with this is the Star Trek: Enterprise episode, "These Are the Voyages". But that episode was so bad that I'm sure I'm not the only fan who discards it from their personal canon.

 

[Tiberius]

So I've just been watching Enterprise for the first time. It seems to me a massive continuity error that Enterprise encountered the Borg over 100 years before the supposed first contact by Picard's crew in TNG. Why didn't Starfleet know all about the Borg from Archer's encounter with them? Don't tell me if it's revealed later in the series, but it seems like a big continuity error to me. It also seems to go against the spirit of what was shown in TNG, since it was portrayed as first contact.

You don't think Starfleet would have told captains in the 24th century about classified events that took place two hundred years ago, do you? Starfleet probably DID know. Doesn't mean they told Picard.

The problem with that is, the Hansens were generally considered off the deep end, so to speak, by their fellow scientists and had to pursue the Borg on their own. I'd agree that "Dark Frontier"'s portrayal of them having some advanced knowledge actually isn't too bad, but did slip in some areas (i.e. having a rather perfect model of a Borg cube Annika plays with, long before they actually encounter the Collective).

I do however think it was a mistake to put the Borg in ENT, and it was poorly handled at that. YMMV. I tend to think they should have probably avoided the Klingons too.

Dark frontier clearly states that the hansens burned their bridges before they found the Cube. How would they have transmitted the information back? they were already on the far side of Romulan space. And most of what they learned was learned in the Delta Quadrant. Way too far to send the data back to the Federation.

It is a continuity error...This all should have been an episode that undid itself because it suggest that the events in Q-who now never happened.

The point of Q showing them the Borg was to introduce them to forces beyond their knowledge. Q may no know everything but I'm sure he would have known if Star Fleet had encountered the Borg Before...

Otherwise it's just a flop of a revelation.

Why does Regeneration negate the events of Q Who? After all, they even stated in Regeneration that it would be about two hundred years before the Borg sent another ship.

At least The Borg were scary as hell in "Regeneration" once again, not the bumbling clowns of "Voyager." Best of all, no Queen!

As stated in the Voyager forum, I'd have been fine with no Borg ever in "Voyager" and their ending with TBOBW. However, the Borg of "Regeneration" were much closer in attitude to the Borg of "Q Who" and "TBOBW," when they were at their most terrifying.

What's wrong with the Queen? My interpretation of the Collective not only explains her, but requires her!

I doubt civilians could normally get their hands on that runabout, considering runabouts only entered general starfleet use by the time of DS9, season 1.

The Raven wasn't a runabout. It was a science vessel with four decks.

Since there's time travel involved, there's no contradiction.

In Q Who? the Enterprise-D was the first Federation vessel to encounter the Borg and live to tell (the Hansens and Neutral Zone outposts had previous contact, but didn't get to report).

Then in First Contact, the Borg left wreckage on 21st Century Earth, which created a new timeline in which Starfleet encountered the Borg even before the formation of the Federation. Presumably in this timeline the events of Q Who? happened differently, but we never see it.

Why does it have to be a different timeline? Regeneration took place in the past of the same timeline that Q-Who occured in.

Why does everyone think that Picard MUST have known about the Borg just because starfleet encountered them two hundred years previously?

I find it hard to believe that Starfleet doesn't store its' data in a de-centralized manner. It improves the chances that the data survives in the case of a catastrophic equipment malfunction or destruction. Its' not like computing is new to them. Humanity will have been dealing with hard drive failures and corrupted data for nearly two hundred years in 2156.

Its' just easier to believe that Starfleet Intelligence/Section 31 buried the data.

Agreed. The data would have been classified. There's absolutely no reason at all for Picard to have been aware of the events of Regeneration.

As mentioned, they could have easily gotten a visual record of the Cube. And before they left, they had very little knowledge about the Borg. Magnus tells Annika that "We think they look a lot like us, but with technology inside their bodies." That doesn't suggest any indication that they knew the Borg had a collective conscious.

It's highly unlikely they acquired such detailed information on their own. Or that they acquired their state of the art ship on their own.

On the other hand, if helped by a starfleet intellience which already had detailed information on the borg, which kept its eyes open about anything regarding cybernetic vampires - all this becomes quite plausible.

Or the Federation Council on Exobiology, which magnus's log in Dark Frontier stated they were working for.

Where does this "Civilian Scientist" stuff come from?

It was called a runabout during VOY.
In any case, its level of technology surpassed what we saw in the hands of private citizens; it was starfleet-level tech.

And, if it was so large - 4 decks - it becomes even more improbable that a pair of xenobiologists on their own could obtain such a ship.

The Raven was never referred to as a runabout. If you still disagree, please quote the line of dialogue that refers to it as such.

And as mentioned before, the Raven could have been provided easily by the Federation Council on Exobiology. One would think that a science council would have vessels for the purposes of carrying out scientific investigations...

 

[Saquist]

I am saying an attack by the Xindi is NOT an attack by the borg.

I never made such a statement.
I am curious as to why you believe a Xindi attack would be considered a Borg attack.

The former could not be classified and were an immediate threat; the latter could be classified and were not an immediate threat.

Restricting the information would only serve to handicap the Federation's defensive reflex. There is no logical purpose restrict ones Naval Forces from a Clear and Present Danager.

Talos, Genesis, TNG:'Skin of evil'. Time travel technology. Most likely I'm forgetting a few other instances.
In any case, these examples are enough to establish a policy consistent over a century. Serious, non-immediate threats, susceptible of being classified ARE classified.

Talos wasn't classified it was Quarantined.
Genesis represented a weapon of unimaginable power and was logically classified.
Skin of Evil was never said to be classified
I'm afraid I've failed to draw the same conclusions from this information you've provided. I've seen no policy of classification, I do see a policy of restricted access to dangerous planets.

TNG: Homeward.
Picard&the enterprise just sit by and let an entire pre-industrial species dissapear - when they could have saved many from that species.
Why?
Apparently, according to the prime directive, when a less advanced culture discovers the existence of more powerful civilizations, it is overwhelmed and commits mass-suicide, becoming extinct.

So you think the Prime Directive is for the prevention of Federation citizens from committing suicide? I am afraid I'm having difficulties collaborating this statement with any source. Could you provide the source verbatim?

Why does Regeneration negate the events of Q Who? After all, they even stated in Regeneration that it would be about two hundred years before the Borg sent another ship.

-Q says Borg are neither male or female.
-Q says they are unlike any threat your Federation has ever faced.

ENT establishes a method of defeating the Borg.
With that knowledge the Enterprise D could have formed an effective defense. NX-01 had sensor records of it's abilities to regenerate, modify and alter technology as well as the ability to defeat their personal shields. If all this information was simply classifed somewhere (which is unlikely) then Picard or Data would have had access to it. That's why the assertion that Star Fleet classified the information against their own Officers is rather absurd. In tantamount to simply erasing the data because if a Captain exploring the Federation frontier can't pull up the information on similar encounters then they are neutralizing their Starships ability for threat assessment and first response.

That was the context of the Omega Particle. Sensor detected a classifed and dangerous threat and the Captain is informed directly. That didn't occur with the Borg so it wasn't simply classified or forgotten...it's a continuity error. They happen a lot in Trek and especially ENTERPRISE.

What's wrong with the Queen? My interpretation of the Collective not only explains her, but requires her!

I try not lean toward interpretations.
But Troi specifically says that they are hearing the collective minds of THEM ALL. A Hive Mind perhaps but definitely not a single individual who states "I AM THE BORG" So this isn't a collective consciousness, she orders the borg, they don't have free will. Once the Queen is introduced it isn't a collective of minds it's ALL MIND CONTROL SYSTEM.

At least with the Former concept of the Collective introduced in BoBW these Collective Minds could exert force on individuals to conform BUT as we saw, Picard was able to resist it which means that Control wasn't absolute.

 

[Tiberius]

I think he meant the Prime Directive was to prevent the less advanced race from commiting suicide when they find out about the Federation.

 

[Deks]

The Borg never identified themselves in "Regeneration," and we don't know what might have happened to the United Earth Starfleet's or the NX-01's computer databases during the Earth-Romulan War. It's entirely possible that there was no effort made to cover up the whole incident up, but that all data on it was lost as a result of damage/sabotage/whatever to the UESF's computers during the war.

Wouldn't be the first time files have disappeared.

Are you kidding me?!

You think a bunch of cybernetically enhanced organisms changing ships and people into zombies need to actually show their ID in order to be recognized?!

You'd be the cop that holds up Michael Jordan because he doesn't have his license at the air port wouldn't you?

If carrying licenses is not optional, then YES.
Besides, not everyone would have heard of Michael Jordan.
Just because someone is 'famous' doesn't mean they will be known to every man, woman or child on the planet (regardless of where they come from).

Besides, SF's sensors were quite unsophisticated in the 22nd century.
The ship the Borg assimilated and changed (the Arctic transport) may not have generated enough of a signature just yet to be known in the 24th century by Picard and his crew as Borg.

Seriously, even if information was accessible to the Enterprise-D, it's possible they never bothered to look it up.

The Hansens could have been sent on a silent science mission where they wouldn't really be allowed to publish their findings before SF reviewed it.

Heck, even Janeway had access in the SF database that the Hansens went on a mission to study a theory on the Borg, she just barely looked it up an episode or two after she met Annika.

It's possible the information in question (from Regeneration) was classified until the 24th century and only accessible to high ranking officers like captains and above (they've done it in the case of Omega molecule).
Picard didn't really have that much time to look up information on the Borg during Q Who, and everyone else wouldn't have the necessary clearance to look up the info.

 

[Saquist]

I think he meant the Prime Directive was to prevent the less advanced race from commiting suicide when they find out about the Federation.

Why would a race of people commit mass suicide?
Where is this shown in the Prime Directive?
Where is this shown in Homefront

If carrying licenses is not optional, then YES.
Besides, not everyone would have heard of Michael Jordan.

You're not everyone.
Clearly you know who Michael Jordan is.

So if you're saying that you would still hold up Michael Jordan from getting on the plane because he didn't have his ID even though you knew exactly who he was.... I hope for your sake, speaking as businessman myself, that you had other job prospects. If a media incident resulted from this senselessness that put my company in a poor light or even remotely affected the companies perception as a reasonable and customer friendly airline...I would be forced to terminate your employment.

I would bring you in and ask you directly. "Do you know who Michael Jordan is?"
Because at least if you didn't know I could rationalize your ignorance to the customer and media as an honest mistake. (Even then I would hope your supervisor would have the common sense to let the man pass than induce a public relations nightmare) But if you knew him, and arrogantly held your ground on the ID at the company's expense then you're not worth keeping on the payroll. You're no better than a machine than can only do exactly what their told. You're not worth the salary because I hire people to be intuitive and reasonable to be able to problem solve, to find a work around.

As a manager...it's been my experience that these sort of mistakes occur in the very young or the very stubborn. Only one them is pliable to correcting the error. The other must be discarded.

Besides, SF's sensors were quite unsophisticated in the 22nd century.
The ship the Borg assimilated and changed (the Arctic transport) may not have generated enough of a signature just yet to be known in the 24th century by Picard and his crew as Borg.

Reasonable speculation is that which is supported by evidence. There is nothing absolute here from which to draw the conclusion against awareness.

Seriously, even if information was accessible to the Enterprise-D, it's possible they never bothered to look it up.

They've done it before with information a century old with cursory reserach.

-That they wouldn't think to search their records is negligent.
I won't jump to conclusions against their character no more than I would jump to conclusion about yours.

It's possible the information in question (from Regeneration) was classified until the 24th century and only accessible to high ranking officers like captains and above (they've done it in the case of Omega molecule).
Picard didn't really have that much time to look up information on the Borg during Q Who, and everyone else wouldn't have the necessary clearance to look up the info.

Reasonable speculation must also be not only possible...but probable. Shelby Commander nor Hansen make mention of such research and Shelby seem well versed on the Borg having studied the previous encounter. It's reasonable to assume that she or Data have searched Star Fleet records concerning this threat for methods of neutralizing it.

If not then 10,000 people died for nothing at Wolf 359.

 

[BillJ]

ENT establishes a method of defeating the Borg.

The only thing Enterprise established was that if you catch a few drones alone, disconnected from the Collective... you might have a chance. If you act quickly.

Like isolating a patient with a virus.

 

[Saquist]

ENT establishes a method of defeating the Borg.

The only thing Enterprise established was that if you catch a few drones alone, disconnected from the Collective... you might have a chance. If you act quickly.

Like isolating a patient with a virus.

Malcolms efforts could have helped Worf
Phlox's efforts could have helped Crusher...but then that' another continuity error. Crusher didn't have to deal with "NANOPROBES"

 

[Sci]

If carrying licenses is not optional, then YES.
Besides, not everyone would have heard of Michael Jordan.

You're not everyone.
Clearly you know who Michael Jordan is.

So if you're saying that you would still hold up Michael Jordan from getting on the plane because he didn't have his ID even though you knew exactly who he was.... I hope for your sake, speaking as businessman myself, that you had other job prospects. If a media incident resulted from this senselessness that put my company in a poor light or even remotely affected the companies perception as a reasonable and customer friendly airline...I would be forced to terminate your employment.

I can't speak for Deks, but if I were in such a position, I would resign before it came to that. I for one would not want to work for someone who decides that rules apply to some people but not others, who deliberately treats people unequally in what ought to be an equal service -- especially when it comes to customer safety, which is what ID requirements are all about.