^ The information on them would have still probably been off or plain wrong. :/
USS ENTERPRISE HAYNES OWNERS MANUAL (Part 3)
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The arboretum on the JJPrise probably looks like the interior of one of those new V ships, complete with buildings.
There is a bowling alley on the JJPrise, it's in the mall, next to Cinema 10.
I just got my copy of the manual...Its alright I guess, but the orthographical views of the Enterprise C are pretty terrible. In the forward view, someone forgot to render the back of the neck, so you can see straight through it to the white background.
Aside from that, and the fact the cutaways were in some cases shamelessly ripped from other artists, its an OK reference guide for gripping the basics of how a Star Trek ship works, its just that this info is basically what all of us already know anyways.
Still though, if you can pick it up cheap (was nearly half price at Amazon UK) its worth it for a handy reference guide if you like building models/3D meshes of the Enterprises.
Aside from that, and the fact the cutaways were in some cases shamelessly ripped from other artists, its an OK reference guide for gripping the basics of how a Star Trek ship works, its just that this info is basically what all of us already know anyways.
Still though, if you can pick it up cheap (was nearly half price at Amazon UK) its worth it for a handy reference guide if you like building models/3D meshes of the Enterprises.
The front view of the C also reveals what a low poly tube they used for the 2ndary hull! look at all those straight edges!
One other error I caught: The Enterprise-B top view has a callout number at the front edge of the saucer that says "phaser array," hanging out in the middle of nowhere. Not only does the B not have phaser arrays, the phaser banks (or turrets) are nowhere near the callout.
One other error I caught: The Enterprise-B top view has a callout number at the front edge of the saucer that says "phaser array," hanging out in the middle of nowhere. Not only does the B not have phaser arrays, the phaser banks (or turrets) are nowhere near the callout.
If we focus on ships, (even only canon ones), gear, unis, space stations, maybe an overview of Federation space (think Google maps but space), the Pike/TOS/TMP more than gives us a big enough sandbox to play in.
My concern would be this:
Could the artists in our deep talent pool stand such a democratization of their work? There's a lot of pride taken by each of us.
Hahaha, I just noticed on the Ent-E orthos, at the bow of the saucer section they put "Saucer Navigational Deflector". Who the hell wrote this?
The fight over the bridge could take months of house-to-house combat, cost thousands of lives. God only knows the level of carnage over the "internal M/ARC vs. nacelles" battle.
We'd probably have to go to mediation before a single deck is laid out.
^^ The Eugenics wars would pale by comparison!
But seriously, all joking aside, wouldn't a simple poll suffice? Whatever the concensus is that's the way we'd go. Besides, it's not like individual artist will be forbidden to ever work on their own ideas ever again.
But seriously, all joking aside, wouldn't a simple poll suffice? Whatever the concensus is that's the way we'd go. Besides, it's not like individual artist will be forbidden to ever work on their own ideas ever again.
That's way too simple and practical an idea to ever work.
Are we talking about the authoring of an all knowing, official tech manual/haynes guide/future "non-fiction" trek stuff?
If so, I think the simplest thing to do would be to get someone who knows Star Trek more than your average Joe and that Dr Spock isnt Mr Spock.
Its rather obvious that the authors of this book (Ben Robinson and Marcus Riley) aren't the kind of fans like we are, and while that isnt a bad thing, when your tasked to create a manual which "provides in-depth information about these extraordinary ships" you should probably have someone on board who knows what theyre talking about.
Mike Okuda is a consultant, but I highly doubt he proof read every single thing from this book, I mean why should he? He's a busy man and at the end of the day he wasnt chosen by the guys up top with the blank checks, so he had no obligation to make sure everything was "perfect".
At least I hope so, as I think its rather cheap of the authors to rip off cutaways from other artists without credit, and to then modify their work with inferior additions.
This will probably be the last Star Trek technical manual ever published. With the rising popularity of e-books and e-readers and overall death of print media, I think thats a safe bet.
Instead, I think there should be a website, like Ex-Astris or Memory Alpha thats a user maintained repository of the nitty gritty tech knowledge of trek. Memory Alpha pretty much covers it at the moment I guess, but the UI isnt exactly pretty and it isnt focus on the tech side of things. And while Ex-Astris is kinda geared toward that side of fandom, with all due respect to Bernd - he's a little bit on the edgy side of things, and again, isn't a definitive technical database.
At least, that'd be my suggestion for doing something like this nowadays.
If so, I think the simplest thing to do would be to get someone who knows Star Trek more than your average Joe and that Dr Spock isnt Mr Spock.
Its rather obvious that the authors of this book (Ben Robinson and Marcus Riley) aren't the kind of fans like we are, and while that isnt a bad thing, when your tasked to create a manual which "provides in-depth information about these extraordinary ships" you should probably have someone on board who knows what theyre talking about.
Mike Okuda is a consultant, but I highly doubt he proof read every single thing from this book, I mean why should he? He's a busy man and at the end of the day he wasnt chosen by the guys up top with the blank checks, so he had no obligation to make sure everything was "perfect".
At least I hope so, as I think its rather cheap of the authors to rip off cutaways from other artists without credit, and to then modify their work with inferior additions.
This will probably be the last Star Trek technical manual ever published. With the rising popularity of e-books and e-readers and overall death of print media, I think thats a safe bet.
Instead, I think there should be a website, like Ex-Astris or Memory Alpha thats a user maintained repository of the nitty gritty tech knowledge of trek. Memory Alpha pretty much covers it at the moment I guess, but the UI isnt exactly pretty and it isnt focus on the tech side of things. And while Ex-Astris is kinda geared toward that side of fandom, with all due respect to Bernd - he's a little bit on the edgy side of things, and again, isn't a definitive technical database.
At least, that'd be my suggestion for doing something like this nowadays.
I think the first thing would be to establish certain basic things such as where things go. That said it's true that some people can be defensive.
Speaking strictly for myself I had an overall vision for my shuttlecraft plans. I heard tons of insightful ideas and observations and suggestions. Some of them I adopted and some I didn't not because I thought the idea was bad, but because it didn't fit what I had in mind. Now I know the TOS shuttlecraft had been tackled by others before me, but for the life of me, if I may say so, I don't think I've ever come across any drawings of it that went to the length I did.
Now a starship is an even more complex object to tackle, and some folks have put an awful amount of their work into it. It's understandable that on some things they could feel very strongly about certain aspects of the internal arrangement because it fits into their vision of the ship.
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So true, so true
The one good thing about the TOS Enterprise (for example) is we know relatively little from the internal workings except through dialogue and the "skin" (hull, hallways, rooms) which the artists on this board really can work from their own vision. And in that sense, I think it would be better to let each artist's work stand on their own and present it as an anthology of sorts of the TOS Enterprise (for example) rather than "decide by committee"...
Right off, the guy who authored this book said in the TrekToday article a while back, that "everyone realized it was best that HE write it"... yeah, right... as soon as I saw that remark, I disliked the guy... I mean what an arrogant, smug, and egocentric thing to say?
No... what would have been best, is if they got rid of the egocentric douche, and given the whole project to Probert, Okuda, Sternbach, and Eaves... people who actually designed the ships in the book, and actually KNOW a thing or two about Trek, and not some guy seeking an ego-stroking.
But, until we get that miracle book, it'll be up to us fans.
No... what would have been best, is if they got rid of the egocentric douche, and given the whole project to Probert, Okuda, Sternbach, and Eaves... people who actually designed the ships in the book, and actually KNOW a thing or two about Trek, and not some guy seeking an ego-stroking.
But, until we get that miracle book, it'll be up to us fans.
Well I have decided that if Chapters ever does get copies of this damn book into it's store I will pass on it. Most likely will just flip through it. I think most of us if not all of us would have been more supporting of this book if there was some semblance of effort and attention to detail but the more I read reviews from you guys who have got it the more I think this was nothing more than a rush job and a bad one at that.
With all the freaking delays and the "hype" surrounding this thing they could at least do a half decent job on it. If those tracing rumors are true then they should answer those complaints as well. I think we would have all been cool if this had been delayed and turned out to be really awesome and at least half way accurate but oh well...it is what it is. It's unfortunate. I guess the wait will begin anew for another decade or so for another technical manual.
With all the freaking delays and the "hype" surrounding this thing they could at least do a half decent job on it. If those tracing rumors are true then they should answer those complaints as well. I think we would have all been cool if this had been delayed and turned out to be really awesome and at least half way accurate but oh well...it is what it is. It's unfortunate. I guess the wait will begin anew for another decade or so for another technical manual.
To be fair, this is not the first time I've been pretty disappointed in a Trek book, but I hope it's the last...
I remember back when the "Ships of the Line" book came out, and I first heard about it. I was SO excited... I was imagining finally getting to see a big-arse book, the size of one of those coffee table books on Monet or Matisse, on nothing but FX shots that "could have been, but never were", and couldn't wait to get it, so I pre-ordered it.
Imagine my disappointment when I saw not only show SMALL the book was, but also that the images in it were nothing more than smaller versions of the actual calendar images! I was like, WTF??? Seriously... WTF???
I was hoping for something truly coffee table book sized, that would render someone unconscious if you were to hit them with it. I was hoping for a in-depth look at the many VFX scenes that we never could have seen due to budget, maybe organized by devoting one chapter/section each to a particular FX artist, and his/her work, and reading their own stories about their experience on the show, and the scenes they imagine that are in the book.
But no. We got a rehash of calendar images, in a book that itself was way smaller than the calendar.
C'mon, Trek guys... you CAN do better than this... WAY better. We (the fans) have supported Trek this long, and we WANT books like these... art books and tech books. But we want them to be BIG, and of quality... don't cut corners or half-arse anything... just respect us, and the fact that we supported Trek for so long, and give us something good.
I remember back when the "Ships of the Line" book came out, and I first heard about it. I was SO excited... I was imagining finally getting to see a big-arse book, the size of one of those coffee table books on Monet or Matisse, on nothing but FX shots that "could have been, but never were", and couldn't wait to get it, so I pre-ordered it.
Imagine my disappointment when I saw not only show SMALL the book was, but also that the images in it were nothing more than smaller versions of the actual calendar images! I was like, WTF??? Seriously... WTF???
I was hoping for something truly coffee table book sized, that would render someone unconscious if you were to hit them with it. I was hoping for a in-depth look at the many VFX scenes that we never could have seen due to budget, maybe organized by devoting one chapter/section each to a particular FX artist, and his/her work, and reading their own stories about their experience on the show, and the scenes they imagine that are in the book.
But no. We got a rehash of calendar images, in a book that itself was way smaller than the calendar.
C'mon, Trek guys... you CAN do better than this... WAY better. We (the fans) have supported Trek this long, and we WANT books like these... art books and tech books. But we want them to be BIG, and of quality... don't cut corners or half-arse anything... just respect us, and the fact that we supported Trek for so long, and give us something good.