What Are the Election Results in Your State and Are You Happy?

[Crash]

I guess the people,in those states, who are for fiscal responsibility and a small Federal Government, will have to try and replace them.

Except they won't, and let's be perfectly honest: the tea party doesn't have any concept of fiscal responsibility. Fiscal responsibility to you guys is cutting earmarks (a drop in the budget), extending the Bush tax cuts (which will throw a good 700 billion dollars onto the pile of debts), and generally being nasty towards the poor and unemployed (who also are really only a drop in the bucket). I don't know whether it is denial or the idea that the sign wavers are just that dense, but you're bringing a knife to a party that requires a chainsaw be taken to every sacred cow (social security, medicare, and the military). All this and it would still require you to ignore a crumbling infrastructure and deal with the fact that most of the conservative leaning states are sucking on the government tit far more than those that generally lean left or Democrat.

And you know what? I hope those of us on the left hound the crap out of you. I hope the moderates and independents hold you up to the same requirements they did with Obama and demand you turn this shit economy around in two years, drop the unemployment rate to 5%, and balance the budget. I think we're all going to expect you to do it without raising taxes too.

But, let's be honest, it won't happen. You tea partiers got fleeced so bad by the Republicans that they not only took your wallet, broke into your house and trashed place, but they did it with you thanking them and smiling. Excuse me if I fail to see how such individuals can even be trusted to run a high school class council meeting, let alone the US government.

 

[Subcommander R.]

Whoa, take it down a notch here. Lets be civil.

 

[ConRefit79]

But, let's be honest, it won't happen. You tea partiers got fleeced so bad by the Republicans.....

I've been very clear that I don't trust either party....

And, you're right. Unlike Obama's scalpel, we'll need a chainsaw. Everything will have to be cut. As far as infrastructure, except for the seas, skies and boarder, that is a state responsibility. They should pay for the maintenance of their own road, bridges ect. It's ridiculous to send money to DC for them to turn around and redistribute to other states. The same goes for education.

 

[Lookingglassman]

Rand Paul won and I am happy because he along with the other nutjobs aren't going to act right, will say the wrong things and then get booted out of office when the election rolls around again.

 

[Crash]

I've been very clear that I don't trust either party....

Trust is irrelevant when you're essentially voting for someone you don't trust.

And, you're right. Unlike Obama's scalpel, we'll need a chainsaw. Everything will have to be cut.

Except you cannot cut the sacred cows or you'll be tossed out on your rump, as it should be with programs such as social security, medicare, and other such things. The gap between the rich and poor has already reached banana republic status in the US; cutting what's left for the power and working classes is the stuff revolution is built on, my friend, and I don't mean some silly sign waving, "I'm mad and throw out the incumbents" revolution. I mean the kind where cities burn.

As far as infrastructure, except for the seas, skies and boarder, that is a state responsibility.

The interstate system is quite federal, I assure you. Further, shifting responsibility to the states is a cop out given that thirty years of tax cuts for the rich and the black hole that is the military -- topped off with stagnant wage growth and the last ten years of anemic job growth -- has bled this country dry. A good chunk of states -- as noted in this thread -- actually pay more into the fed then they receive out, but I can guarantee you that percentage-wise every state is receiving far less money from the federal government to help with maintaining the bare necessities it takes to run a civilization.

Honestly, I'll be frank. What you're proposing is nothing short of moving debt around. You can cut taxes, pay down the the deficit, and balance the budget, but you can only do so by ignoring the trillions upon trillions upon trillions of infrastructure debt we're accumulating by not fixing, well, anything. It's no secret that economists are already warning about the next great bubble on the horizon: student financial aid. At the same time, the Tea Party wants to dissolve the Department of Education, which distributes 60% of financial aid funds. All that'd do is dump that 60% into the private sector, and I can only imagine the exotic securities the banks will be selling one another as they chop up those loans, package them up, stamp a tripe-A rating on them and sell, sell, sell. At least that'll happen until the coming mass defaults on student loans sweep across this country in the next few years. The last time something like that happened was under a Republican administration in, oh, 2008.

 

[ConRefit79]

Trust is irrelevant when you're essentially voting for someone you don't trust.

The last one I did that for was McLame. And I will not do it again. I will vote 3rd party or write in.

Except you cannot cut the sacred cows or you'll be tossed out on your rump, as it should be with programs such as social security, medicare, and other such things.

They have to be cut or drastically changed. They were designed when you had 10 people working for every 1 person on it. Most people did not live long after 65. If you're a GenX or later, you should plan for retirement without it.

The interstate system is quite federal, I assure you.
Further, shifting responsibility to the states is a cop out...

Yes they were created by the Feds. Do we need the Feds to still be in control? They gave up the Panama canal. So return responsibility and control of roads to the states. What's the point anyway of Fed control anyway? They want power over the states, that's what. The interstate in my state would be great and as soon as I crossed the state line, the road sucked. Why? I'm guessing corruption. Why should I pay for another states irresponsible behavior.

I will not support any tax increases until the Federal politicians make the deep cuts they need to make. And I'm talking way more than earmarks.

 

[RandyS]

I'm in CA and Brown won the governor race and thankfully Boxer was reelected in the Senate, so there, I am happy.

Yep so am I. I didn't care about Boxer, but I'm very glad we weren't saddled with Whitman.

 

[Crash]

I will not support any tax increases until the Federal politicians make the deep cuts they need to make. And I'm talking way more than earmarks.

Right to the rhetoric. No plan, no attempt to even address the REAL issues this country faces. Just "Federal is bad," "cut taxes," "cut spending."

You're selling your kids down the road for ideology, my friend.

 

[PKTrekGirl]

I live in the north-west suburbs of Atlanta, and my part of the world has been dominated politically by Newt Gingrich, Bob Barr, and their minions for a very long time. I don't even have to check the election results to know who won. I know who is going to win before the polls even open.

As for my feeling about the country in general, I think they ALL need to go - Republicans and Democrats alike. Dubya and the Republicans got us into this fiasco where you can't even BUY a frakkin' job in this country...and Obama and the Democrats have not the foggiest CLUE how to fix all the damage Dubya did.

It is true that Obama inherited a whole ROOM full of dirty dishes...but it is also true that he NEVER had the experience necessary for the considerable task that was in front of him, and the whole country (except for me and about 3 other people) was just swept up in that whole savior mentality without really thinking about the fact that he had not a REAL clue, underneath all the rhetoric.

Meh. I knew 2 years ago that this would happen. No big surprise here. But it's our own fault, as a nation. Seems like no one anymore wants to do their own homework on these candidates, and really think about if they are truly qualified for the job. Instead, we let FOX News and CNN tell us what to believe...and we suck it up and believe everything those idiots and their pals on 'hate'...erm...I mean, 'talk' radio tell us, like a bunch of frakkin' sheep.

Seriously - serves us all right for giving up our votes to the guys with the money bags and the big media outlets.

My only question is how long it will be before we wise up and take our country back from the whole LOT of them. Because the Republicans can't fix this either. The Corporations they support are not creating jobs - they are shipping all the jobs to India, China and Brazil, and writing big fat bonus checks to the CEOs who are doing it. Until we get a viable third party, then - a party that will work for US, we are screwed - stuck between 'really bad' and 'still worse'.

As for me, I'm tired of voting for the lesser of 2 evils. But I can't remember a single vote I have cast in the last decade that was based on anything BUT that glum choice.

 

[Nowhere Man]

I live in the north-west suburbs of Atlanta, and my part of the world has been dominated politically by Newt Gingrich, Bob Barr, and their minions for a very long time. I don't even have to check the election results to know who won. I know who is going to win before the polls even open.

As for my feeling about the country in general, I think they ALL need to go - Republicans and Democrats alike. Dubya and the Republicans got us into this fiasco where you can't even BUY a frakkin' job in this country...and Obama and the Democrats have not the foggiest CLUE how to fix all the damage Dubya did.

It is true that Obama inherited a whole ROOM full of dirty dishes...but it is also true that he NEVER had the experience necessary for the considerable task that was in front of him, and the whole country (except for me and about 3 other people) was just swept up in that whole savior mentality without really thinking about the fact that he had not a REAL clue, underneath all the rhetoric.

Meh. I knew 2 years ago that this would happen. No big surprise here. But it's our own fault, as a nation. Seems like no one anymore wants to do their own homework on these candidates, and really think about if they are truly qualified for the job. Instead, we let FOX News and CNN tell us what to believe...and we suck it up and believe everything those idiots and their pals on 'hate'...erm...I mean, 'talk' radio tell us, like a bunch of frakkin' sheep.

Seriously - serves us all right for giving up our votes to the guys with the money bags and the big media outlets.

My only question is how long it will be before we wise up and take our country back from the whole LOT of them. Because the Republicans can't fix this either. The Corporations they support are not creating jobs - they are shipping all the jobs to India, China and Brazil, and writing big fat bonus checks to the CEOs who are doing it. Until we get a viable third party, then - a party that will work for US, we are screwed - stuck between 'really bad' and 'still worse'.

As for me, I'm tired of voting for the lesser of 2 evils. But I can't remember a single vote I have cast in the last decade that was based on anything BUT that glum choice.

There's a storm a brewing, when it rains, it poors.

 

[ConRefit79]

I will not support any tax increases until the Federal politicians make the deep cuts they need to make. And I'm talking way more than earmarks.

Right to the rhetoric. No plan, no attempt to even address the REAL issues this country faces. Just "Federal is bad," "cut taxes," "cut spending."

You're selling your kids down the road for ideology, my friend.

I don't have kids. And I'm not selling anyone down the road. You're the one with all the rhetoric. I'm holding the feet of the spend happy idiots who run DC, to the fire. I'm not rich and have to live on a budget. So should they. The problem is, when its not your(not you specifically) money, you don't care how its spent.
You complain about tax cuts for the rich. You say $700B. Gibbs said the other day that's over 10yrs. You're telling me they cannot find $70B per yr to cut out of a $3.3T/yr budget. $1.4T which is being borrowed or printed? And that is just the Fed's budget. If that is the case we're doomed no matter what.

 

[Crash]

I don't have kids. And I'm not selling anyone down the road. You're the one with all the rhetoric. I'm holding the feet of the spend happy idiots who run DC, to the fire. I'm not rich and have to live on a budget. So should they. The problem is, when its not your(not you specifically) money, you don't care how its spent.
You complain about tax cuts for the rich. You say $700B. Gibbs said the other day that's over 10yrs. You're telling me they cannot find $70B per yr to cut out of a $3.3T/yr budget. $1.4T which is being borrowed or printed? And that is just the Fed's budget. If that is the case we're doomed no matter what.

You're actually proving my point. I point out that our infrastructure (our power grid, our interstate highway system, and our bridge and tunnel projects) are in dire need of a massive overhaul and reworking. I point out that the rhetoric of the day is threatening to turn over our already overburdened college system and financial aid system to the very people who nearly sent us into a second great depression. There's no rhetoric there. There's no ideological spin. That's basic fact.

And you're talking about how to justify spending an additional seven hundred billion dollars when the very people you've elected into office have stated they have ZERO intention to account for even one red cent?

I strongly urge you to look up the word rhetoric, my friend. And while you're at it I would urge you examine what the basis of civilization entails. Rome was built on tax cuts, it was built on the finest road system the world knew up to that point. The post-war American boom of the '50s and '60s wasn't built on small government; it was built on cheap and affordable education sponsored heavily by the government.

In both cases, the United States is allowing these two pillars of civilization to rot untended, and the next depression is built on our failures in these areas. If people think 30 years of stagnant wages, declining health, and loss of benefits are bad, just wait until the crows are picking over this particular corpse.

Explain to me how

 

[1001001]

I live in California, the Beachhead of American Sanity!



I'm happy with our results. Brown is not the greatest, but Whitman was a nightmare. When is the California GOP going to put up a candidate who is not a billionaire trying to buy the election to give tax breaks to their corporate buddies?

I like Boxer, and have voted for her every time. I'm glad she won again.

I wish Prop 19 had passed, though.

 

[sidious618]

It is true that Obama inherited a whole ROOM full of dirty dishes...but it is also true that he NEVER had the experience necessary for the considerable task that was in front of him, and the whole country (except for me and about 3 other people) was just swept up in that whole savior mentality without really thinking about the fact that he had not a REAL clue, underneath all the rhetoric.

Utter crap. I was (and am) a huge Obama supporter but in no way viewed him as a savior. The only people I've heard bring up "savior" have been people trying to slam him. Obama has done a hell of a lot in a very corrupt politica system. I've been impressed with him on a number of issues and on the amount of things he's done. Could he've done more? Sure. Did he make mistakes? Absolutely. Anyone would. To say Obama hasn't done anything is ridiculous and ill informed.

I put my faith in Obama much more than I do in any of the other former frontrunners like Clinton, McCain, Edwards or Romney.

 

[Subcommander R.]

I live in California, the Beachhead of American Sanity!



I'm happy with our results. Brown is not the greatest, but Whitman was a nightmare. When is the California GOP going to put up a candidate who is not a billionaire trying to buy the election to give tax breaks to their corporate buddies?

I like Boxer, and have voted for her every time. I'm glad she won again.

I wish Prop 19 had passed, though.

Why? Do you want the Feds to cut our funding? They have it tied into the drinking age, and drugs are a hell of a bigger issue. The state can't violate Federal laws without huge consequences.

 

[ConRefit79]

You're actually proving my point. I point out that our infrastructure (our power grid, our interstate highway system, and our bridge and tunnel projects) are in dire need of a massive overhaul and reworking. I point out that the rhetoric of the day is threatening to turn over our already overburdened college system and financial aid system to the very people who nearly sent us into a second great depression. There's no rhetoric there. There's no ideological spin. That's basic fact.

None of that matters unless we live on a budget and pay down the dept. Look at the debt clock. http://www.usdebtclock.org/
Tell me how we can do any if that. Look at the total debt. Look how much SS & MC consume. The baby boomers are just beginning to retire. Look at the total debt/person. Look at the interest for 2010 alone. It's more than our budget. You can preach pie in the sky garbage on infrastructure and education all you want. But WE DO NOT HAVE THE MONEY FOR THE FED TO DO IT. You build it all up and China will be the ones who owns it and us if we don't fix this.
I said I would stop opposing tax increases when I see serious cuts made by the spineless politicians.

 

[1001001]

I live in California, the Beachhead of American Sanity!



I'm happy with our results. Brown is not the greatest, but Whitman was a nightmare. When is the California GOP going to put up a candidate who is not a billionaire trying to buy the election to give tax breaks to their corporate buddies?

I like Boxer, and have voted for her every time. I'm glad she won again.

I wish Prop 19 had passed, though.

Why? Do you want the Feds to cut our funding? They have it tied into the drinking age, and drugs are a hell of a bigger issue. The state can't violate Federal laws without huge consequences.

I would like to see some sanity applied to marijuana policy. And I think it would be good to go through the process of forcing this debate on a national level. So many different issues are involved (states rights being one of them).

I think the notion of Obama cutting off funding or invading the last Blue State in America with federal agents over pot was a bluff. But I do understand the complexities, especially for neighboring states.

Maybe California just needs to secede from the union.

 

[shivkala]

When is the California GOP going to put up a candidate who is not a billionaire trying to buy the election to give tax breaks to their corporate buddies?

When people like Rick Scott can buy the election for Governor in Florida, why should the California GOP give up hope that they too can buy an election?

 

[Crash]

None of that matters unless we live on a budget and pay down the dept. Look at the debt clock. http://www.usdebtclock.org/
Tell me how we can do any if that. Look at the total debt. Look how much SS & MC consume. The baby boomers are just beginning to retire. Look at the total debt/person. Look at the interest for 2010 alone. It's more than our budget. You can preach pie in the sky garbage on infrastructure and education all you want. But WE DO NOT HAVE THE MONEY FOR THE FED TO DO IT. You build it all up and China will be the ones who owns it and us if we don't fix this.
I said I would stop opposing tax increases when I see serious cuts made by the spineless politicians.

As I pointed out several times, a balanced budget and paying down the debt will mean precisely dick when you've already decided to mortgage this country's future in order to do so -- which is precisely what ignoring these problems is doing.

That said, you're nothing but a walking talking point. We're done here.

 

[RandyS]

I live in California, the Beachhead of American Sanity!



I'm happy with our results. Brown is not the greatest, but Whitman was a nightmare. When is the California GOP going to put up a candidate who is not a billionaire trying to buy the election to give tax breaks to their corporate buddies?

Given that the Republicans whole point for existing is all about serving the rich at the expense of everybody else, I'm guessing never.