^If there was a whole red matter universe, where every drip of the stuff made a black hole, it would most certainly suck.
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And so it begins...the scripting of the ST sequel has begun
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They seem to be of the view that they have introduced all the 'main' characters but I think they still need to bring in a few more. They need more women (Chapel & Rand+), more aliens, more alien women, and Robau's son. A few extras will help if they do decide to kill someone as they won't need to bring in a brand new character to 'replace' them if they can elevate an existing one. If they kill Uhura (and I'm hoping that they don't), they will have no women at all in the main cast - that is the most important thing to remedy. Mind you, if they introduce Chapel and Rand only to kill them in their first movie, I will feel a bit cheated.
I think that NuBSG established that having higher profile extra characters gives their deaths more meaning. I can't be the only one who was rooting for the intensely irritating Olsen to die as quickly as possible? I'd like to think that I'd be more upset in future.
I think that NuBSG established that having higher profile extra characters gives their deaths more meaning. I can't be the only one who was rooting for the intensely irritating Olsen to die as quickly as possible? I'd like to think that I'd be more upset in future.
I want to see Uhura with a much larger role.
I think Olson was supposed to be like that, to make the redshirt scene less sad. Anyway, I would like to see more female characters, but I don't think we need a "son of Robau" for STXII. It'd probably be a massive disappointment. As for alien women, they could bring Gaila back since the actress (whose name I can't remember right now) is interested in coming back and they could always say that she and few others managed to get on an escape pod and got picked up by fleeing Vulcans or something. That way they could take care of the Kirk romance angle quickly and use the extra screentime freed up by that for the plot and action.
The beauty of the ship scenario is that most new characters need no introduction beyond "This is (Crewman, PO, CPO, Yeoman, Ensign, Lt) XXX, the ship's YYY" so new support characters need not bog down the plot, although external characters like Carol Marcus will require more detailed introductions.
I'm ambivalent about Gaila. We do need more women but she was little more than a semi-naked sex joke, I would imagine that her remaining so will hardly be striking a blow for equality, and I prefer my Orions outside Starfleet. I know I'm racist but I can't help myself - I'd just rather see more traditional Federation races getting roles - especially andorians, tellarites, zaranites, and saurians. At least super sexy Deltans have their psychic powers to give them more than one dimension. If Orions feature as villains then I'd be well up for Gaila being used as a character with something genuine to add.
Uhura will only get to do more if they treat her as a competent starfleet officer in addition to being a comms officer and girlfriend. In the movie they squandered the chance by not letting the officer who understands Romulan fluently beam across to the Romulan ship (as opposed to Spock who could make a guess based on its similarity to the Vulcan language) so that the boys could have all the fun.
One of the reasons I'd like Rand to feature is because I think a modern interpretation could fill the action role that the women currently lack. She would be a Chekov level support character but that's fine since Uhura is the female lead.
EDIT: And I think a lot of people are still willing to worship Robau. Maybe he needs to be the Emergency Tactical Hologram, the Emergency Sexy Hologram, or the new voice of Project Genesis.
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More likely in the third movie than the second, Zoe Sandana's star continues to rise in hollywood, after her three movie contract is through, it's possible that she may be uninterested in remaining in the Star Trek franchise.
Uhura could be recast with a different actress, the character placed in some fashion "off screen" or the character could be killed.
Very true! Or, like Spiderman and Batman, they just do another reboot. The genie's out of the bottle now
I doubt that Saldana will leave the part. A number of these roles may be recast eventually, though, especially if and when Trek is reset yet again.
There's no reason that characters other than Kirk and Spock can't be cycled out and replaced with other characters, either.
There's no reason that characters other than Kirk and Spock can't be cycled out and replaced with other characters, either.
Would be interested in their writing process. They said multiple times they have a story but are undecided about the villain. So how generic or rough is that story?
Before they think about recasting, they should finally use the potential of the rebooted/alternate universe and kill characters off or let them leave. I see no point in keeping the same constellation of characters alive with recasts. That's not "fresh! new! exciting! daring!" in my opinion. That's about what the original TOS did already, keeping them all together until the very end.
Before they think about recasting, they should finally use the potential of the rebooted/alternate universe and kill characters off or let them leave. I see no point in keeping the same constellation of characters alive with recasts. That's not "fresh! new! exciting! daring!" in my opinion. That's about what the original TOS did already, keeping them all together until the very end.
I think they approach it by first deciding what the characters need to encounter. The first movie had them coming together, so the next might have them learning to work together or some other theme. I'd imagine once they have the theme, they decide who will be involved and how their story will relate to that theme. The alien or villain then becomes just a plot point as to who will illustrate that theme the best.
I'm sure they're more interested in keeping Kirk and Spock and the gang fairly young through the coming decades, never mind just "alive."
I just hope the plot makes sense because some Orci/Kurtzman scripts don't make much sense, Trek XI, TF2, TF1 being the obvious ones.
I think Khan will be involved in some form but he will not be the main villain or perhaps wont even be a villain, maybe he helps Kirk before showing his true colours at the end with some form of cliffhanger ending? I say this because during past interviews they have both said they loved TWOK and subsequently TSFS and TVH because they carried on from each other, so I think they will have elements in Trek XII that directly carry on into Trek XIII. Khan will definitley be in Trek XIII as the main villain imho, they won't miss that opportunity.
Plot will revolve around a genesis-type device and Kirks attempts at preventing the Klingons from getting hold of it or getting it back off them. Maybe its a Federation built thing or something alien that scientists have discovered. (Borg? Iconian?) This would be an opportunity for Carol Marcus to be involved..
Klingons... yes I think they have to be in there, they are the definitive Star Trek bad guys. Who will be the figurehead villain Klingon? I want Sam L Jackson, I think he would be a 'badass' Klingon!
Assuming Trek XII makes enough cash to do Trek XIII I think that after the trilogy is complete they will simply reboot TNG, I bet they are already planning that far ahead! (2017/2018?)
I think Khan will be involved in some form but he will not be the main villain or perhaps wont even be a villain, maybe he helps Kirk before showing his true colours at the end with some form of cliffhanger ending? I say this because during past interviews they have both said they loved TWOK and subsequently TSFS and TVH because they carried on from each other, so I think they will have elements in Trek XII that directly carry on into Trek XIII. Khan will definitley be in Trek XIII as the main villain imho, they won't miss that opportunity.
Plot will revolve around a genesis-type device and Kirks attempts at preventing the Klingons from getting hold of it or getting it back off them. Maybe its a Federation built thing or something alien that scientists have discovered. (Borg? Iconian?) This would be an opportunity for Carol Marcus to be involved..
Klingons... yes I think they have to be in there, they are the definitive Star Trek bad guys. Who will be the figurehead villain Klingon? I want Sam L Jackson, I think he would be a 'badass' Klingon!
Assuming Trek XII makes enough cash to do Trek XIII I think that after the trilogy is complete they will simply reboot TNG, I bet they are already planning that far ahead! (2017/2018?)
I wondered if the sequel might feature some of the fall-out from the destruction of Vulcan. Maybe Sarek and T'Pau can join the Enterprise for a diplomatic mission. Maybe a planetary survey needs a science team (Carol Marcus?). Maybe the diplomats, scientists, and a few crew are caught in some kind of planetary crisis? Or is somebody trying to obtain copy scans/information about the Narada? Maybe some Orion 'pirates' kidnap the dignitories/scientists and we have a rescue mission to give the movie a topical feel?
Nah, the next months there will be articles like this on a weekly basis, and they will say absolutely nothing about the script except for "it's exciting" and "it's a challenge" and all sorts of variations.
Bingo. That is going to be their stock answer for quite some time.
I've looked a bit into the issue of the size of the ship and why it is stated at such a ridiculous length (hey, I am a nerd!), and I can somehow understand why it pisses people off, even if I don't really care about it either way.
But arguing that the old Spock we saw in ST(2009) is a different Spock from the one we know from all the previous instances is, well, special.
But arguing that the old Spock we saw in ST(2009) is a different Spock from the one we know from all the previous instances is, well, special.
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