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Will the Dixie Chicks and Country Radio ever kiss and make up?

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In 2003, during a concert in London, one of the Dixie Chicks said something disrespectful about President Bush. Word spread. Country music fans became angry. Nervous country music stations immediately dropped the Chicks from playlists. The group's album sales suffered. The band apologized, then they defiantly took back their apology. The Chicks continued touring and their 2006 album Taking The Long Way was still a major seller, even without the airplay that the band enjoyed in the past. In 2007 the album won multiple Grammys, including Record of the Year.

When the Chicks release their next album (assuming it is not a departure from their previous work), will they get any support from country radio? Or is this relationship destroyed for good?
 
The whole thing about that was that they spoke ill of the president in a time of war, which is ridiculous. The same people that bashed them are now talking shit about Obama 24/7. Last time I checked, the war was still on! Sheer idiocy, that's what that whole fiasco was.
 
I feel that the answer is an emphatic "Not just No, but HELL NO!"

The Chicks put on display the perfect way to ruin a wildly successful career!

They totally misunderstood their audience and gravely overestimated their importance!

Sure they had the right to express their own opinion, but when you make your living by entertaining the most patriotic and traditional audience in all of American entertainment, you'd better align yourself with the values of that audience or at the very least "Shut the Hell Up!"

Doing what the Chicks did and the ensuing events -
insincere apology, take back the apology, fued with radio
publicly, the Entertainment Weekly cover, bash other stars of the format for not standing up for them, declaring themselves "no longer part of the country music family" and so on - only served to destroy thri career and relationship with country radio and it's audience.


Their last big album, FLY, sold over 10 million copies. It came out before "the incident".

Their last album, TAKE THE LONG WAY HOME, sold less than one million - just over half a million actually.

Huge drop off! (sure that album won several Grammy's but you can't spend Grammy's)

Not only that, but their FLY concert tour was sold out (through Target of all places) before the incident.

Since then they've been plagued with cancelled shows, poor ticket sales and shows moved to much smaller venues.

They even had shows cancelled with them OPENING for the Eagles. (of course poor economy was also blamed...but still!)

Some radio stations still refuse to even promote their shows or run advertising for them.

Country Music Legend Conway Twitty was once asked why he didn't engage in any political support or action and he said, and I'm paraphrasing here, " Harold Jenkins has political views (his real name btw) but why should Harold Jenkins express HIS political views as Conway Twitty and ruin Conway Twitty's career!"

Too bad the Chicks didn't think like that.​
 
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Too bad the Chicks didn't think like that.

Too bad country fans (and a lot of conservatives) think like that. I always like the righteousness associated with thinking they should have just shut the hell up, what a great American idea.

Then again, the whole country at that point (including those in charge) just shut the hell up, that was a weird time of nationalistic fervor.

Unfortunately, I think at that point the only way they could be "forgiven" is if they absolutely renounced what they said, no quarter could or would be given. Ultimately, they stood by their actions. I don't think the sisters would have done it personally but as far as I know they've never singled out Natalie for causing the "incident".
 
What exactly is country radio these days. Now they're playing songs from Taylor Swift, Lady Antebellum, and...Uncle Kracker. :rolleyes:

All those songs are also played everywhere else so the whole "Country" radio is losing it's existence it seems like. If that's the trend, I don't want the Chicks back on Country Radio because they are so much better than that. As for kissing and making up, unfortunately probably not. That whole thing was ridiculous on both sides and I just really don't care anymore.
 
I have to admit though that I've never liked anyone spouting political crap at a concert whether I agree or not with them. Probably, the best and worst place to make a statement, depending on how much exposure and firestorm you wish to get.



What exactly is country radio these days. Now they're playing songs from Taylor Swift, Lady Antebellum, and...Uncle Kracker. :rolleyes:

And yet there's a lot of songs that are more traditional sounding and less processed than I've heard in years. It's strange though they seem to both be there.
 

Their last big album, FLY, sold over 10 million copies. It came out before "the incident".

Their last album, TAKE THE LONG WAY HOME, sold less than one million - just over half a million actually.


Actually, Taking the Long Way got up to 2 million copies. While not as good Fly or Home, it's a lot more than the half million. Also, the Grammy award sweep helped quite a bit.
 
I have to admit though that I've never liked anyone spouting political crap at a concert whether I agree or not with them. Probably, the best and worst place to make a statement, depending on how much exposure and firestorm you wish to get.



What exactly is country radio these days. Now they're playing songs from Taylor Swift, Lady Antebellum, and...Uncle Kracker. :rolleyes:

And yet there's a lot of songs that are more traditional sounding and less processed than I've heard in years. It's strange though they seem to both be there.

Oh I agree, but it comes in gaps. My favorite country Artist right now, Jamey Johnson, just brought out an awesome 2 disc album, but it's only been played in spurts. Kind of wish he was played more, but it just feels like Country Radio these days don't have room for it.
 
Really Dennis, last time I checked, they flopped pretty hard as of late. This wasnt they Only thing that led to them being basically kicked out of Country Music, They also had that fued with Toby Kieth, calling one of his Patriotic songs ignorant and wearing a shirt with the acronym FUTK, thinking that their audience was to stupid to figure out what that meant and that combined with their comments about being ashamed to be from the same state as President Bush is what alienated them from Country Music.
You dance with the one that brought you....


and dont get me started on the current state of top 40 country radio AKA Upper Middle class white kid music.....
 
What exactly is country radio these days. Now they're playing songs from Taylor Swift, Lady Antebellum, and...Uncle Kracker. :rolleyes:

Kracker rocks! Him and Kid Rock, quality music.

But they're not country.

I dont really care as it's a radio station in a country I dont live in. But both, especially Rock, like to emulate aspects of country music in their performances and songs.

and if nothing else, they are as country as Taylor Swift is, so if she gets played, they can get played.
 
Too bad the Chicks didn't think like that.

Too bad country fans (and a lot of conservatives) think like that. I always like the righteousness associated with thinking they should have just shut the hell up, what a great American idea.
This is in direct contrast with Conway Twitty (Harold Jenkins) who IMO had the smarter idea. If the Dixie Chicks want to dabble in politics and offend their audience, they need to accept that it's going to hurt them. If, however, they went the way of Harold Jenkins and spoke as themselves, not as part of their performance then they would probably have been better recieved.

I don't doubt it would've hurt them to say it as individuals but when you collectively do it on a stage, in front of your fans, many of whom happened to agree with Bush at the time, then you're just asking for this.

It's also why I loathe it when celebrities use their "star power" to try and make political or ethical statements. It feels like an abuse or misuse of their status, as if just being George Clooney or Jane Fonda or Sarah McLaughlin (to name a few) does give you a right to spout off how something is wrong and expect people to just believe it because you're famous.

They have that right but that doesn't mean I have to like it, believe it or accept their opinion as some kind of fact. Yet they get offended when people rebuke them for it. Go figure.
 
Sure they had the right to express their own opinion, but when you make your living by entertaining the most patriotic and traditional audience in all of American entertainment, you'd better align yourself with the values of that audience or at the very least "Shut the Hell Up!"

"The most patriotic" audience? Implying that non-country radio fans are less patriotic? I assume you have some kind of objective evidence to back that up?

As for "you'd better align yourself," what if ones goals were something other than appealing to an audience to maximize sales?

Doing what the Chicks did and the ensuing events -
insincere apology, take back the apology, fued with radio
publicly, the Entertainment Weekly cover, bash other stars of the format for not standing up for them, declaring themselves "no longer part of the country music family" and so on - only served to destroy thri career and relationship with country radio and it's audience.

Country radio is pop radio with fiddles and pedal steel, and will always move on to the new flavor of the month act with more promotion money behind them. The Chicks may have accelerated the process, but it's hard to believe they would still be making 10 million-selling albums over ten years after their debut. That's just not realistic for the business.

Their last big album, FLY, sold over 10 million copies. It came out before "the incident".

Their last album, TAKE THE LONG WAY HOME, sold less than one million - just over half a million actually.

That's simply not correct. That album sold half a million in its first week and has sold over 2 million total.

Toby Keith followed a 4x Platinum album with a 1x Platinum. Did he make some kind of "un-patriotic" statement in the meantime? Or was it just the vagaries of the business?

Huge drop off! (sure that album won several Grammy's but you can't spend Grammy's)

Or glowing critical reviews. But believe it or not, some people have measures of artistic success that aren't simply based on what they can spend.

Of course by 2008 GOP candidates from John McCain on down were campaigning as if they were ashamed of George W. Bush as president, so the outrage that the Chicks' 2003 opinions may once have sparked could well have faded from the consciousness of mainstream America.

Careers in popular music tend to shoot up like a rocket and drop just as fast. Relatively few manage to continue for multiple decades, and almost never at the top levels of commercial success. Time will tell whether the Chicks will end up in the "where are they now" file, or continue to release new material to a more modest but consistent audience. If the latter, I think that would be considered a successful career.

--Justin
 
Hey JTB, you sure about that? How many Number 1 hits has George Strait had...
THIS Decade?
LAST DECADE?
THE 80S?
Same for Alan Jackson...
Toby Kieth is still as popular as ever, Remember his first #1 was in 1993, his FIRST ALBUM, 17 YEARS ago was certified PLATINUM , and indeed, EVERY record he released from 1993-2008 went atleast Gold....

so, in actuallity
Toby Kieth released a record that went Platinum
Followed it up with one 2 more Platinum Albums
Followed by a Gold Album
Followed by another Platinum Album
Followed by a 2X Platinum Album
Followed by TWO 4X Platinum Album
Followed by TWO more Platinum Albums
Followed by TWO more Gold Albums
thats in a time period from 1993-2008, 12 Albums, 15 years, and you say Flavor of the Month?
 
Hey JTB, you sure about that? How many Number 1 hits has George Strait had...
THIS Decade?
LAST DECADE?
THE 80S?
Same for Alan Jackson...
Toby Kieth is still as popular as ever, Remember his first #1 was in 1993, his FIRST ALBUM, 17 YEARS ago was certified PLATINUM , and indeed, EVERY record he released from 1993-2008 went atleast Gold....

Am I sure about what? In terms of new album sales Keith has been on the decline since 2003. In the earlier post declining album sales were cited as evidence of the Dixie Chicks ruining their career by airing their political opinions. I don't think that's the only possible explanation of declining sales.

As for Jackson and Strait, I noted that a few do have long and successful careers, but statistically most don't. How many Platinum studio albums did Randy Travis or Ricky Van Shelton or Clint Black have in the 2000s?

--Justin
 
sorry, I took one piece of your post and reply'd to it but forgot to quote it, lol...
anyway, top 40 Country radio has been on the decline since the early part of the 2000's, its become Upper Middle Class White People radio, I dont know if thats a deliberate shift by the record and or radio companies, or what. But you mention Randy Travis, Clint Black and Ricky Van Shelton, I wish that Country Radio would push there stuff more. I am so tired of imitation country.......

sorry for the thread jack...
 
sorry, I took one piece of your post and reply'd to it but forgot to quote it, lol...
anyway, top 40 Country radio has been on the decline since the early part of the 2000's, its become Upper Middle Class White People radio, I dont know if thats a deliberate shift by the record and or radio companies, or what. But you mention Randy Travis, Clint Black and Ricky Van Shelton, I wish that Country Radio would push there stuff more. I am so tired of imitation country.......

sorry for the thread jack...
Well said!

I like country music and I never had a problem with what the Dixie Chicks said. They were exercising the true time honored right of every American: vocalizing their dissenting opinion. Hell, the country was founded on voicing dissent!

It's the Bushittes and hardline Republicans who managed to equate a dissenting opinion with disloyalty and lacking in patriotism---that's the real bullshit and not anything the Dixie Chicks said.
 
Thing is, the Dixie Chicks didn't do anything wrong. No one who would shout them down or burn their albums, merely for expressing their opinion can be called a "patriot". Patriots don't do that. Insecure, ignorant people do that, but not patriots. The people who retaliated against the Dixie Chicks were trampling on the Constitution and making the United States look like it was populated with a bunch of backward idiots who couldn't tolerate a mere difference of opinion or political viewpoint. Foolish, stupid people who didn't understand anything but their base anger and let their stupidity at the forefront and grunted patriotism while they defied it in every sense of the word.
 
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