Bad Guy in the New Film??

[number6]

Echoing a poll I saw on Trekmovie.com, I started thinking about who the bad guys for the next film should be...Khan?? Klingons?? More Romulans??

It suddenly occurred to me that this could be a compelling idea for the sequel..

Sybok.

Could tie in the destruction of Vulcan and Spock's role in it.

Since this would take place a good amount of years before the events of TFF, this could give us a fascinating look into Sybok's rebellion against Vulcan philosophy. Could be pretty dark!!

If they were to do a "remake" of a Prime Universe character, this would be cool for fans and non fans.. Sybok could get developed the way he should have been TFF...and there is so much unexplored potential. Redoing Khan is a cop out and Klingons have been overdone.


Who do you think should be the baddie in the next film??

Who would you want to see remade for the JJverse??

 

[F. King Daniel]

I liked Sybok, but he wasn't really a bad guy, just a misguided fool.

If they bring someone back, I say they should do Khan, but remake him as differently as they can. If Kirstie Alley and Robin Curtis can both be Saavik, Glen Corbett and James Cromwell can both be Cochrane (and none if them with an alternate universe excuse!), then we can have a Khan as removed from the Space Seed/TWOK version as The Joker in The Dark Knight was from the one in 1989's Batman.

I'm sure a few fans will complain, but it'll only be those who are still crying over Delta Vega and Kirk's promotion. They'll find an excuse to troll anything.

 

[ST-One]

I'd like to see more Romulans.

I'd be happy with Khan (but then, I have no imagination ).

 

[bullethead]

I'd like Tholians or some other low profile alien race from TOS to be the antagonists. It would be nice for some of the really alien aliens to get a showcase for mainstream fans.

 

[C.E. Evans]

I'd like the bad guy in the next movie to be a woman. Don't care what race or species she is. It'd also be nice if she wasn't depicted as a delusional psychobitch, but as someone smart, cool, and sophisticated who is more than a match for Kirk as a strategist...and actually kicks the Enterprise's ass really good at one point.

 

[Hythlodeus]

I'd like the bad guy in the next movie to be a woman. Don't care what race or species she is. It'd also be nice if she wasn't depicted as a delusional psychobitch, but as someone smart, cool, and sophisticated who is more than a match for Kirk as a strategist...and actually kicks the Enterprise's ass really good at one point.

sounds a lot like No. One

 

[Dukhat]

Echoing a poll I saw on Trekmovie.com, I started thinking about who the bad guys for the next film should be...Khan?? Klingons?? More Romulans??

It suddenly occurred to me that this could be a compelling idea for the sequel..

Sybok.

Could tie in the destruction of Vulcan and Spock's role in it.

Since this would take place a good amount of years before the events of TFF, this could give us a fascinating look into Sybok's rebellion against Vulcan philosophy. Could be pretty dark!!

If they were to do a "remake" of a Prime Universe character, this would be cool for fans and non fans.. Sybok could get developed the way he should have been TFF...and there is so much unexplored potential. Redoing Khan is a cop out and Klingons have been overdone.


Who do you think should be the baddie in the next film??

Who would you want to see remade for the JJverse??

The problem with this is that Sybok is a character that nobody really cared about, from a movie that everybody hated. As a matter of fact, I'd go so far as to say that most people didn't even like the idea of Spock having a half-brother. So why bother reviving the character now?

 

[Jeyl]

If these guys are going to stick with half of what they think made Trek09 work, it will just be some angry guy who wants to blow up Earth for no reason. It's been that way for the last two movies.

 

[thumbtack]

Khan could be a woman.

 

[C.E. Evans]

I'd like the bad guy in the next movie to be a woman. Don't care what race or species she is. It'd also be nice if she wasn't depicted as a delusional psychobitch, but as someone smart, cool, and sophisticated who is more than a match for Kirk as a strategist...and actually kicks the Enterprise's ass really good at one point.

sounds a lot like No. One

Exactly.

 

[Dukhat]

If these guys are going to stick with half of what they think made Trek09 work, it will just be some angry guy who wants to blow up Earth for no reason. It's been that way for the last two movies.

While you are correct in stating that Shinzon wanted to destroy Earth for no reason, Nero specifically stated that he wanted to destroy all Federations planets, starting with Earth, so that the Romulus of this new past would have no enemies and fare better than his Romulus did. So, yeah, he did have a reason.

 

[Peter the Younger]

Khan could be a woman.

Played by Katie Sackhoff.

Seriously, though, I could go for a female villain, I wouldn't even mind the inevitable sexual tension. But great care would have to be taken not to have her fall into the stereotypical "Evil Psycho Woman" or "Evil Cold Hearted Woman" stereotypes. What I'd hope for is a sympathetic villain who you could see Kirk actually falling in love (not just lust) with, if circumstances were different. Or, to put it in a nutshell:

"In another universe, I might have called you 'Snookums.'"

 

[MvRojo]

If this were a TV series, sure bring on Sybok, but this is a film series. We're going to get at most 3 more movies out of this cast before they start being cost prohibitive, so they need to focus on more compelling characters and create some new interesting villains.

 

[kkozoriz1]

An opponent who isn't a mustache twirling, personal vendetta seeking plot device. (I'm looking at you Shinzon and Nero).

Khan had a back story with Kirk that we knew and could understand. The NuUniverse doesn't have that luxury without taking up a big chunk of the movie with flashbacks. Give us an opponent who is opposing our heroes for valid reasons of their own, not to simply be The Big Bad. The closest we've seen so far is Soran. He wasn't out to simply kill people for revenge. He wanted to get back to the Nexus regardless of who got hurt in the process. The execution wasn't great but at least he had a motivation beyond simply being a bad guy.

 

[Shatnertage]

I'd prefer to see something totally new. Since my frame of reference for most of the villains of the past is TV shows (outside of Khan) it's hard to see them as epic enough to "open" a movie.

There are a lot of gods who are really computers and gods who are really aliens. Decent for a 4th-act twist in a TV show, difficult to string out for a whole movie.

"Lord" Garth has potential, but he might be seen as a Joker retread by the non-Trek audience.

Maybe Mark Lenard's Romulan Commander from "Balance of Terror," but they'd have to take it in a new direction. At least he had some depth.

 

[JonnyQuest037]

I'd rather they didn't use Sybok, as I think the idea of Spock having an emotional brother dilutes the entire concept of Spock's character.

But the idea of an evil Number One... THAT'S intriguing.

 

[FlapJoy]

I have a bug in my head to see a young Doctor Noonien Soong in a future Trek film played, I hope, by Micheal Emerson (Ben Linus from Lost), in the Kirk era and before he's built a positronic brain of any sort... Not really as a villian, but as a focus and motivator of the plot. And Michael Emerson would be great in the role.

I've always found Soong to be interesting and worth fleshing out, as his younger version we could see him just beginning to wrestle with certain far out ideas. He reminds me of DaVinci in that he's a creative genius, but also mindful of the political landscape and the possibilities of his own era not yet discovered, prophetic and scholarly but misunderstood by his contemporaries. Plus it would be a happy nod to TNG.

Soong made a comment to Data once: "Why Starfleet, Data? You could have done anything you wanted" (or something like that) which led me to believe that Soong and perhaps others in the Trek universe, don't always see the Federation and it's Starfleet as a good thing, or at least view it as an imperfect system. I would like to see a character and/or new race that challenges the Federation as a concept leading to some kind of conflict or intrigue.

Soong could be aligned with an alien race whose ideals are a bit extreme and contrary to humanity and may not have a "Prime Directive" of their own but are a multi-planet "peace keeping" organization. Working with Soong on technology to advance their own culture at the sake of lesser beings, perhaps even slaves or something. This new race and Starfleet clash on some sort of moral or political issue and perhaps Soong has joined the wrong side, even becoming a pawn in the game (and may lead to the nickname "often wrong" and perhaps is why he becomes reclusive and builds artificial lifeforms to keep him company) ...Or he's a fly in the ointment with his own agenda, pitting Starfleet and this new alien faction against each other for some personal gain...

Every political system will have detractors within it's own populace and it would be interesting to see what others in the Trek universe really think about the Federation. And would it be fascinated to see Kirk and crew defend Starfleet as an organization against those who take another view, and what may result from such a conflict that escalates into several action sequences? Even serving to further question Starfleets real usefulness.

TOS handled stories like this a few times, and in the film; debates with Kirk, Spock, and Soong about the workings and failings of the Federation, even with Spock not always agreeing with Kirk on every point, might be an interesting insight into Trek itself. Deconstructing the concept a bit, since the Federation has rarely been questioned in other Treks, mostly seen as an all knowing political force of do-gooders. A cynical view often serves to justify such an organization. As it's been said by (I think) Ben Franklin: "Democracy is the worst form of Government, except for all the others"

Not that the movie would be all talk, several opportunities would lend to action and high energy heroics as well, I'm sure.

 

[Red Ranger]

I'd like the bad guy in the next movie to be a woman. Don't care what race or species she is. It'd also be nice if she wasn't depicted as a delusional psychobitch, but as someone smart, cool, and sophisticated who is more than a match for Kirk as a strategist...and actually kicks the Enterprise's ass really good at one point.

sounds a lot like No. One

Actually, it does. Sounds like the Romulan Commander from The Enterprise Incident.

A woman antagonist would be fun. Frankly, I'd like to see a female Ming the Merciless type, with a bit of Elaan of Troyus!

 

[SheliakBob]

The next film will revolve around the single most diabolical villain in the history of Star Trek--J.J. Abrams, the man who destroyed a universe.
Hate 'im.

(I know. But I haven't grumped in a long time. That venom can builds up in yer system, y'know.)

 

[Dukhat]

The next film will revolve around the single most diabolical villain in the history of Star Trek--J.J. Abrams, the man who destroyed a universe.
Hate 'im.

(I know. But I haven't grumped in a long time. That venom can builds up in yer system, y'know.)

In that case, why don't you just be the next villain, SheliakBob? I mean, since JJ Abrams apparently raped your childhood or some such nonsense.