What an arrogant remark! You could have just said you didn't agree instead of insulting people. What is it with people like you who are so "superior"? Sounds like you need to adjust your Insult-o-meter down a bit.
I truly believe Ricardo Montalban should've won an Oscar for TWOK.
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What an arrogant remark! You could have just said you didn't agree instead of insulting people. What is it with people like you who are so "superior"? Sounds like you need to adjust your Insult-o-meter down a bit.
What an arrogant remark! You could have just said you didn't agree instead of insulting people. What is it with people like you who are so "superior"? Sounds like you need to adjust your Insult-o-meter down a bit.
Aw come on, what the hell is supposed to be insulting about that? Arrogance, yeah sure, why not, but an insult? Dude, get a grip!
Implying Ledger only got his Oscar because he died could be interpreted as an insult in fact.
Saying Montalban (or even Nimoy) deserved an Oscar simply is pure fanwank (now there's the insult), sorry to say this.
No, actually, I'm not even sorry to say this. 
Just like a year ago, when overhyping fans said the new Star Trek movie would be a contender for Best Picture. I mean what the hell? 
Saying Montalban (or even Nimoy) deserved an Oscar simply is pure fanwank (now there's the insult), sorry to say this.
Amen.
He did a great job with what he was given (turning a good film Great, in the Trekkian scheme of things), but an Oscar?
Really?
As much as I love my dear old franchise such a thought trivializes all the much better works out there that did (and some that did not) get recognized by the Academy.
Now a Golden Globe I could definitely see...
People are overestimating the importance of the Oscars. It's just Hollywood patting itself on the back. I don't really care what they think, or what actors they feel they need to kow-tow to. Who cares? It's a popularity contest.
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Did you just compare Downey's Thunder performance to Khan?
Dood, you seriously need to take the Trek blinders off.
Did you just compare Downey's Thunder performance to Khan?
Dood, you seriously need to take the Trek blinders off.
Again, the role wasn't in that league, and Montelbahn's performance, while good, wasn't that good.
I can't argue with the original point of this thread that Montalban should have won an Oscar; I think it shows how silly the Oscars are, because unless everyone is playing the same role, how can you compare? And even if everyone is playing the same role, different performances could have different takes on the character but each be just as worthy as the rest. Acting isn't a competition, and I think an awards show for it is silly.
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Painting isn't a competition, so why have art exhibitions and award prizes.
Beauty isn't a competition, so why have beauty pageants.
If we don't acknowledge excellence, why would most people bother to achieve, or even know when they have achieved?
Don't the studios make the submissions to the Academy for consideration in various Academy Award categories? Do we even know if Montalban was submitted as a possible candidate for nomination? Paramount may have had other barrows to push. As I said in an earlier post, ST II was produced for television, and only upgraded to cinema-release motion picture status towards the end of production.
And the Academy is not only judging how entertaining a performance was. They are also judging the preparation, the acting process, etc... at least I think they do.
They're also judging the personal attributes of the actor or actress. If you don't fit the Hollywood Ideal, you're not going to win. Ditto for any awards giving. Agendas matter probably more than anyone would ever like to admit.
Montalban's performance was not over the top. And the fact that the movie is still thought of as the best Star Trek movie of all time and Khan being the best villain is tribute to that.
The whole damn film should've gotten Oscars. It was harder to get a seat to see it than E.T.
The whole damn film should've gotten Oscars. It was harder to get a seat to see it than E.T.
Best Star Trek movie of all time maybe. But relative to other movies...
eh, Montalban was awesome as Khaaaan!! and is a bit of a cultural icon, but an Oscar? Now, I know that the Oscars are just as guilty of insider favoritism as any large award-bestowing group, but TWOK Khan was in the vein of a Bond villain, a caricature to play off of Kirk, and I'd like to think the Oscars would consider more than that.
I love Ricardo, don't get me wrong...but in fact, Ricardo's role was really one-dimensional, it was SHATNER (whom I dislike in many instances as an actor) that had the depth in his role, and the performance to match it, and could very well have been nominated for an Oscar in my opinion.
I think the only elements of the film that had a chance of being nominated for Oscars were
*The Makeup Department
*Costume Design
*Soundtrack
The film was low budget, it didn't have cutting edge SFX like TMP, in fact it resused several FX from TMP in order to cut costs, along with existing footage (Klingon BOP's, Warp Drive, etc)
The Costume Design was excellent however, It fit the overall mood of the story and the "Naval" theme that Meyer is obsessed with, the makeup in places really stood out, check out the injured engineering crew and Khan, it is very realistic and the Soundtrack itself is excellent, the film really wouldn't work with any other composer, Horner nailed TWOK and as a result he has become one of the most in-demand film composers in the world of Hollywood
*The Makeup Department
*Costume Design
*Soundtrack
The film was low budget, it didn't have cutting edge SFX like TMP, in fact it resused several FX from TMP in order to cut costs, along with existing footage (Klingon BOP's, Warp Drive, etc)
The Costume Design was excellent however, It fit the overall mood of the story and the "Naval" theme that Meyer is obsessed with, the makeup in places really stood out, check out the injured engineering crew and Khan, it is very realistic and the Soundtrack itself is excellent, the film really wouldn't work with any other composer, Horner nailed TWOK and as a result he has become one of the most in-demand film composers in the world of Hollywood
Well you don't need a huge budget or cutting edge VFX to get an oscar for screenplay, picture, actors, etc...
This is relative...SW:Empire Strikes Back had a budget of $18-20 million. Most studio movies were made for $10-15 million back then. STII cost $10-11 million.
The CGI in the Genesis Planet flyover were state of the art.
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Not trying to doubt your word on this, Therin of Andor, but do you have a link to confirm? As far as I was aware the film was certainly produced by the Television division for budgetary reasons; but was always intended for the silver screen nevertheless. The entire film was shot with an aspect ratio of 2.35:1 from the get go, which would be extremely unusual for a production destined for the 1.33:1 (4:3) image of all TV sets in the early 80's. Also, to my film buff (albeit amatuer) eyes, the lighting employed certainly looks very cinematic throughout.
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