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Is Enterprise part of your personal canon?

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Come on they screwed up. It's not like they intended those as references to be an alternate reality. The picked the name of an "old" 30s Movie star out of a hat. It could have been anyone. They did not choose wisely.

You cant toss out the accusation of "sloppy writing" at the other shows when it was sloppy writing/research/continuity in TOS that created some of the problems. Though IIRC, ENT "corrected" the mistake in DS9 by placing the Eugenics Wars back in the 20th Century.

You and I are of the same Generation. We all thought the Space Program was headed toward a Trekian future in those days. We had no idea it would stall at the Moon. Again, there was no intent to posit Star Trek as an alternate reality. That's just a rationalization to justify the stuff that doesn't match up or contradicts actual history.

Agreed here, Myk. There are quite a few fans who would prefer for all the individual facts of each particular story to be sewn in without any seams -- for instance, for the silent film star Clark Gable to have been the descendant of the great Middle Ages conqueror Napoleon. That's a degree of continuity which, with a story this big and nearly half-a-century long now, and with so much "sloppy writing" along the way, is no longer possible.

That said, I think of it like this: A great story should be defined as one which, when told by a single person over a campfire, mesmerizes its listeners without any 3-D, any CGI, or any props. When you boil down a great story to a simple narrative, whether it's half-an-hour or half-a-century long, it requires a modicum of basic continuity, otherwise your listener will get up, go back to his tent, and read C. S. Forrester.

ENT is where I "got up." It's where I raised my hand and said, the end of the story doesn't match with the beginning, and the storyteller responded that I should just shut up and forget the beginning. Given the choice of forgetting the great beginning or the dull-as-dishwater end, I chose the latter. And that, as Frost said, has made all the difference.

DF "Having Perhaps the Better Claim" Scott
 
Well, part of the problem is seeing Star Trek ( the franchise) as one big story. When its mosty hundreds of little stories that fit together more or less if you squint. One of the things that TOS has over some of the later shows is you could switch "Turn About Intruder with Man Trap" or "The Corbomite Manuever" with relative ease and it wouldn't make much of a difference.
 
TOS and ENT cause many of the biggest continuity problems of the whole franchise IMO. TNG/DS9/VOY all fit together fairly well. Which isn't to say I don't love TOS and ENT. It's just not possible to maintain continuity over 40 years and 700 episodes of TV. Trek does pretty well most of the time, though, and if you squint, it does indeed mostly make sense.

Lack of continuity is a proud Trek tradition, in some ways. James T Kirk or James R Kirk? Vulcanian or Vulcan? Remus or Romii? Starfleet or UESPA? Class of '79? Chekov or no Chekov? If you just have fun and watch the shows, and don't take continuity too seriously, its a lot more entertaining.
 
ENT is canon, no doubt.

But if you're asking if we, the fans, consider it part of our personal continuity - ie., would watch it and consider it and even think about it when TOS references to a past time, thats a different thing.

Personally, I ignore ENT alltogether. It messed up with the idea of how the past that evolved as per mentions in TOS and TNG, it looked technologically too advanced for the time period it represented, and plus... It wasn't any good.

Granted, the fourth was good (damn good), and the third had some reedeming qualities... But both seasons had to deal with garbage baggage carried over from two of the worst seasons of Star Trek, ever (especially the second season).

Plus, the characters are either one-note or downright uninteresting. If it didn't have T'Pol to attract male audiences for her obvious good looks, it wouldn't be even a little interesting in those first two years.

Anyway, I'm sure many folks will disagree, and thats fine. I just never got into the show, because I too felt Trek should've rested after VOY, and not gone into another TV venture. Its all my opinion, of course, so feel free to disagree.
 
All filmed Trek (including TAS) are part of canon as far as I am concerned.

Enterprise is part of canon --- it is in the timeline created by the events of the movie First Contact.
 
Enterprise is part of canon --- it is in the timeline created by the events of the movie First Contact.

This is a really good point, in that the show itself is frequently creating new timelines and then continuing the show in those new timelines. Yesterday's Enterprise, Past Tense, even City on the Edge of Forever, in theory, exists on the presumption that Kirk and Spock come back to a timeline in which they were present for death of Edith Keeler, having arrived at the planet in one in which they did not. As fans we just accept this and move on. But as soon as you start defining canon as being limited to one 'timeline', you actually have more stringent standards than the show itself did, since it crosses multiple timelines! We should embrace this rather than freak out about it.
 
TOS and ENT cause many of the biggest continuity problems of the whole franchise IMO. TNG/DS9/VOY all fit together fairly well. Which isn't to say I don't love TOS and ENT. It's just not possible to maintain continuity over 40 years and 700 episodes of TV. Trek does pretty well most of the time, though, and if you squint, it does indeed mostly make sense.

Lack of continuity is a proud Trek tradition, in some ways. James T Kirk or James R Kirk?

James T. Kirk, James R. Kirk was a bit between Mitchell and Kirk.

Vulcanian or Vulcan? Remus or Romii?
Both! Just like Holland and the Netherlands, UK and Britain. Simply got two names. No problem here whatsoever. And that's not even considering the simply possibilities of different languages, different names.

Starfleet or UESPA?
UESPA pre-Federation, Starfleet was founded after the Federation and is a Federation organization.

Class of '79? Chekov or no Chekov? If you just have fun and watch the shows, and don't take continuity too seriously, its a lot more entertaining.
Enterprise isn't entertaining one way or the other.
 
I guess my opinion is simply "so what?"

If you like Enterprise, great. If not, so what? Does it's very existence lessen one's enjoyment of any of the other previous or afterward productions? It shouldn't, and if it does I think you (the general "you") have bigger problems than whether or not a particular TV show is part of your own personal canon or not.

I don't know; it just seems like a lot of Trek fans go out of their way to NOT enjoy stuff... and that's just sad.
 
I, too, am struggling to understand exactly what all the fuss is all about. People seem so worked up that I'm not sure if there's something I'm missing here.

I'm starting to think that there's not.
 
Don't let Warped9 get to you, he can't accept anything that doesn't bow down to TOS even when TOS wasn't 100% good either and wasn't consistent with ITSELF.
 
After the last film, there is no more canon, but rather multiverse of varying Treks.

From a practical point of view, the only canon that matters now is that of the only breathing franchise. JJ's Trek is pretty much it.
 
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