HOPA... Quits

[SeerSGB]

I wouldn't hire her, and I'll tell ya' why: Drama. She could have handled this a lot more professionally, on the down low, and kept a issue that was between her and her boss out of the office's general environment and off the 'net.

And I can say the same for the Jet Blue dude as well. But I don't think he has or had any long term career goals in mind when he went over the side.

 

[sojourner]

So, this girl quit her job because she didn't like being objectified, and 90% of the men on this board can't think of anything to say other than to concur with and reiterate the objectification. Nice.

However, I believe she will get a job. Blue guy may not get one for some time.

I don't any one is saying she won't, just that she might not get to be as picky as if she had just went out quietly.

If she's smart, she can easily parlay this into something much, much better than being some asshole's AA or a broker. Promotions, communications, marketing, something like that. Shit, she could use this in her portfolio for any number of jobs.

The only thing I think she should have done differently is get her prick boss fired instead.

Oh, I am sure if her statements are true that her boss is going to get fired.

 

[Holdfast]

If you're going to quit, do it in style.

The guy who ran off the tarmac after grabbing a beer was gutsy.

This girl has done what many of us personal/administrative assistants dream of doing.

Smart. Clever. Cute.

I think I like her take better than the disruption the other guy caused.

What think you?

Yawn.

JetBlue guy had style. This is just wannabe-level quitting.

 

[SeerSGB]

Besides we can't be a 100% sure hers is legit-- not yet anyway, and even it's not up the Maud'Dib Of Quitting's standards. And even if legit, she didn't go all out, she still held out hope at the end that it was going to be okay. Beside she didn't do anything that probably a hundred other personal-assistants have done over the years: rat out the boss; they just didn't get it on the 'net.

Jet Blue Dude: Oh it was real, and it was spectacular. That's how you ruin your life and torch the bridge behind you. That's up there, that's going to take to some doing to top

 

[AstroSmurf]

So, this girl quit her job because she didn't like being objectified, and 90% of the men on this board can't think of anything to say other than to concur with and reiterate the objectification. Nice.

I was thinking exactly the same thing.


And for the record, I would hire her in an instant. I prefer people who work for me to be upfront and ballsy. It keeps things real and I would know exactly where she stood.

 

[Maestro]

So, this girl quit her job because she didn't like being objectified, and 90% of the men on this board can't think of anything to say other than to concur with and reiterate the objectification. Nice.

And this surprises you, why?

But let me be serious on this topic. Is it ever OK for a male superior to comment on the looks of a female subordinate? What about for professional peers?

What if the situation in question went like this,
Jenny: "Mr. Spencer, Mr. So-and-so is on the line"
Spencer: "Hello, this is Spencer."
So-and-So, "Hey Spence, this is So-and-so. Your secretary sounds like a hottie!"
Spencer: "Hey, I'm lucky to have a beautiful secretary."

Would that be any more acceptable? Or is it never OK?

 

[auntiehill]

No, I don't think so. I think the appropriate thing would be to say, "I'm lucky to have such an efficient secretary."

I've been on the opposite of the situation, where my being the best assistant and supervisor on staff wasn't nearly as important to my boss as the fact that I was the least attractive. The youngest, and most sexy supervisor, got promoted right away, even though she was the least competent person in, oh, North America and there were several women up for the job who had more experience and more education. The Boss often made comments about liking to have "something nice to look at," and he wasn't talking about the furniture. Everyone knew it, too, but no one said anything, for fear of being fired.

I quit (in a rather mundane fashion), and decided I was better off somewhere else.

 

[AstroSmurf]

It is never appropriate to be overtly sexual to someone in the workplace, man or woman. Proper professional etiquette, even if it is someone else's employee, is to refrain from making sexual or overtly sexual comments period. This also includes gestures. And this is the trained Human Resource talking here. I have been involved with or taught more classes about sexual harassment than anything else in my management career. And for a good reason too. Sexual harassment is the biggest headache for America businesses outside of customer satisfaction. It costs businesses an enormous amount of money every year due to wasted company time, constant training needs, lost employees and legal fees. This is a minefield people, one that includes state and federal laws now.

 

[Level 2 Diagnostic]

I can't believe anyone thinks this is real.

 

[Maestro]

Now, I'll throw something else out... I have a pretty good relationship with one of the secretaries in our school office. The last day of school we had a staff breakfast, as she was going through the line, I saw her from behind and thought she was some hot student teacher.

This woman is in her mid-40's, has had two children graduate high school, and while she isn't overly prideful in her looks, she busts her ass to stay in shape.

The next time I stopped by the office, I shared with her that I thought I saw this "hot student teacher" in line at breakfast, and it turned out to be her instead. The secretary blushed and said, "That's the nicest thing anyone has said to me in a long time."

 

[Jack Bauer]

She's a total drama queen so I wouldn't hire her unless she was willing to give some nookie after work...

 

[Pingfah]

So, this girl quit her job because she didn't like being objectified, and 90% of the men on this board can't think of anything to say other than to concur with and reiterate the objectification. Nice.

And this surprises you, why?

But let me be serious on this topic. Is it ever OK for a male superior to comment on the looks of a female subordinate? What about for professional peers?

What if the situation in question went like this,
Jenny: "Mr. Spencer, Mr. So-and-so is on the line"
Spencer: "Hello, this is Spencer."
So-and-So, "Hey Spence, this is So-and-so. Your secretary sounds like a hottie!"
Spencer: "Hey, I'm lucky to have a beautiful secretary."

Would that be any more acceptable? Or is it never OK?

There's a difference between calling someone a Hot Piece of Ass and saying somebody is beautiful. One is very clearly sexually objectifying and the other isn't.

Obviously a LOT of people make degrading and objectifying comments about other people all the time, i'm sure we've all done it at some point. Assuming this is even real (which it probably isn't), the issue here isn't that he made a degrading comment in private, it's that he was stupid enough to let himself be overheard. You can't practically regulate people's opinions but you sure as hell can regulate who they express them to.

 

[Deckerd]

I think the whole thing is a fake. Blue Jet guy is getting offers by the dozen for chat shows, newspaper exclusives, etc etc. All you have to do is look at that girl to realise she's an actor.

 

[Pingfah]

^ More than likely, looks a bit too professional.

Still, a valid discussion anyway.

 

[Pingfah]

Fake.

http://techcrunch.com/2010/08/11/elyse-porterfield/

 

[captcalhoun]

i'd still do her.

 

[Jack Bauer]

she's cuter with the glasses.

 

[trekkiedane]

Urban Dictionary, Word of the day: HPOA!

 

[Pingfah]

I can't really see the point of hoaxes like this, a good hoax should trick people into believing someting entirely implausible, that when the hoax is revealed will make people feel stupid for having believed it.

This, however, is entirely plausible behaviour. It would be a funny way to quit, but it's by no means unbelievable. Any idiot can trick people into believing something entirely believable. When the hoax is revealed you just go "ho hum, what was the point of that then?".

Lame and unoriginal.

 

[TheBrew]

So, this girl quit her job because she didn't like being objectified, and 90% of the men on this board can't think of anything to say other than to concur with and reiterate the objectification. Nice.

To be fair, I did call myself out on it. But when three of the dry erase boards are about the woman being a "HOPA", then it is sort of hard for that to not stick in my head (and the 17 hours of Farmville).

I bet the actress is pretty happy she did it as she just got a ton of media exposure. Here comes some guest roles on soaps.