Which Star Trek Movie Do You Think Was The Best?
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I went ahead with TWOK, but I've made my case for it and First Contact already
http://ithinkthereforeireview.blogspot.com/2010/06/star-trek-first-contact.html
http://ithinkthereforeireview.blogspot.com/2009/02/star-trek-ii-wrath-of-khan.html
My husband thinks he's need to start with The Motion Picture. I keep telling him, 'Please don't!'
http://ithinkthereforeireview.blogspot.com/2010/06/star-trek-first-contact.html
http://ithinkthereforeireview.blogspot.com/2009/02/star-trek-ii-wrath-of-khan.html
My husband thinks he's need to start with The Motion Picture. I keep telling him, 'Please don't!'
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TWOK
XI
TMP
TVH
FC
TUC
TSFS
Wait. There are four others?
I'll let TFF, GEN, INS, and NEM fight it out amongst themselves.
XI
TMP
TVH
FC
TUC
TSFS
Wait. There are four others?
I'll let TFF, GEN, INS, and NEM fight it out amongst themselves.
I don't think the patch was to tell them where RP was so much as it was meant to locate Kirk and Bones once they got there.
But they didn't even head for Rula Penthe or locate Kirk and McCoy until the two of them got outside the beaming shield. So can we assume beaming shield = no sensors, but then outside the beaming shield = why not sensors?
EDIT: You know what, forget the above. I just thought it through and it makes sense now. The Enterprise had to wait for confirmation that Kirk and McCoy were alive and had escaped the security perimeter before risking the trip into Klingon territory.
Still can't understand why the Klingons didn't detect and confiscate the patch, if they went to the trouble of taking the universal translators. But oh well.
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Me too.
The patch was put on him long before he was sentenced to that prison planet. The patch was a transponder to know exactly where Kirk was anyway (not what planet he was on). With the patch, Spock knew exactly when Kirk was outside the shield and his exact location. Remember, Kirk and McCoy were prisoners so they didn't have their communicators. The patch allowed the Enterprise to get a transporter lock on Kirk (and McCoy, the human near-by) to beam them up to the ship.
I voted for Wrath of Khan, but I thought about ST09. It made me wonder for the 9000th time what the earlier movies would have been like with that kind of studio backing, talent, production values, etc....
Agreed on FC being the best Picard-era movie...and I rank TWOK as the second-best of the classic/Kirk-era films. We seem to think alike for the most part.
My 2 cent about this . Wasn't this just pure luck on Spock behalf that they would still be wearing the starfleet outfit with the transponder patch duh. What if Klingons had taken Kirk and McCoy starfleet outfit threw it in the trash and replaced them with prison standard outfit. It is not like Kirk and McCoy were going anywhere as the got Life imprisonment.
Re: TUC
Maybe Spock logically deducted that if Kirk was captured, put on trial, and sentenced to punishment somehwere, the Klingons would intentionally leave Kirk in his Starfleet uniform throughout the process as a morale-boosting rallying point for the Klingons. They could proudly show the Empire and the entire galaxy that they had the most famous starfleet officer in their possession.
Or maybe it was just pure luck.
Maybe Spock logically deducted that if Kirk was captured, put on trial, and sentenced to punishment somehwere, the Klingons would intentionally leave Kirk in his Starfleet uniform throughout the process as a morale-boosting rallying point for the Klingons. They could proudly show the Empire and the entire galaxy that they had the most famous starfleet officer in their possession.
Or maybe it was just pure luck.
Re: TUC
I particularly enjoy how they thwarted the Klingons’ plan by beaming Kirk and McCoy up to the Enterprise. It caught the Klingons completely by surprise. They had no idea the Enterprise was in orbit and could beam up the prisoners.
Now, wait a second, what was the ruse that got Kirk and McCoy out there in the first place? That’s right, Marta said she could get out of the mines and had to bring Kirk and McCoy along because they had a way to get off the surface.
So the Klingon plan depended both on Kirk and McCoy having a way off the surface and on them not having a way off the surface. Great plan.
If I made a list of the idiotic plot holes in the TUC screenplay, this one just might qualify for the Top 20. There are two ways to enjoy TUC:
1) Look for the plot holes and make it a drinking game.
2) Turn off your brain and look past the plot holes. The degree to which cognitive processes should be suppressed is so great that, as with the first option, substance abuse is advised.
Maybe Spock logically deducted that if Kirk was captured, put on trial, and sentenced to punishment somehwere, the Klingons would intentionally leave Kirk in his Starfleet uniform throughout the process as a morale-boosting rallying point for the Klingons. They could proudly show the Empire and the entire galaxy that they had the most famous starfleet officer in their possession.
Or maybe it was just pure luck.
I particularly enjoy how they thwarted the Klingons’ plan by beaming Kirk and McCoy up to the Enterprise. It caught the Klingons completely by surprise. They had no idea the Enterprise was in orbit and could beam up the prisoners.
Now, wait a second, what was the ruse that got Kirk and McCoy out there in the first place? That’s right, Marta said she could get out of the mines and had to bring Kirk and McCoy along because they had a way to get off the surface.
So the Klingon plan depended both on Kirk and McCoy having a way off the surface and on them not having a way off the surface. Great plan.
If I made a list of the idiotic plot holes in the TUC screenplay, this one just might qualify for the Top 20. There are two ways to enjoy TUC:
1) Look for the plot holes and make it a drinking game.
2) Turn off your brain and look past the plot holes. The degree to which cognitive processes should be suppressed is so great that, as with the first option, substance abuse is advised.
Re: TUC
I look at it this way -- the Klingons' purpose was to get Kirk and McCoy to attempt escape, giving the Klingons an excuse to kill them for it. Kirk and McCoy went along with it since they needed to get outside the security perimeter anyway, in case the Enterprise would come for them. The Klingons who caught up with them could have anticipated a rescue attempt, but they figured they'd have plenty of time to kill Kirk and McCoy anyway.
Why bother killing Kirk and McCoy in the first place? It would anger the Federation into either maintaining the Cold War or even leading to all-out war.
I particularly enjoy how they thwarted the Klingons’ plan by beaming Kirk and McCoy up to the Enterprise. It caught the Klingons completely by surprise. They had no idea the Enterprise was in orbit and could beam up the prisoners.
Now, wait a second, what was the ruse that got Kirk and McCoy out there in the first place? That’s right, Marta said she could get out of the mines and had to bring Kirk and McCoy along because they had a way to get off the surface.
So the Klingon plan depended both on Kirk and McCoy having a way off the surface and on them not having a way off the surface. Great plan.
I look at it this way -- the Klingons' purpose was to get Kirk and McCoy to attempt escape, giving the Klingons an excuse to kill them for it. Kirk and McCoy went along with it since they needed to get outside the security perimeter anyway, in case the Enterprise would come for them. The Klingons who caught up with them could have anticipated a rescue attempt, but they figured they'd have plenty of time to kill Kirk and McCoy anyway.
Why bother killing Kirk and McCoy in the first place? It would anger the Federation into either maintaining the Cold War or even leading to all-out war.
Re: TUC
According to the film, because only Kirk and McCoy can thwart the next assassination attempt. The film makes no attempt to explain why only Kirk and McCoy can thwart the next assassination, and that’s probably a wise decision. Just take it as a given.
According to the film, because only Kirk and McCoy can thwart the next assassination attempt. The film makes no attempt to explain why only Kirk and McCoy can thwart the next assassination, and that’s probably a wise decision. Just take it as a given.
Re: TUC
Hmm. I remember Kirk assuming there will be another assassination after hearing of more peace talks, but I don't remember a line about Kirk and McCoy being the only ones who could work the case. Not saying it's not there, but I wouldn't toss the movie for having one dumb line. It already had one rather foolish scene involving the Klingon border patrol and a bunch of dusty books...
Hmm. I remember Kirk assuming there will be another assassination after hearing of more peace talks, but I don't remember a line about Kirk and McCoy being the only ones who could work the case. Not saying it's not there, but I wouldn't toss the movie for having one dumb line. It already had one rather foolish scene involving the Klingon border patrol and a bunch of dusty books...
Re: TUC
Kirk says to McCoy, “You and I are nothing. You heard the judge. The peace conference is on again. Whoever killed Gorkon is bound to attempt another assassination. Unless we can get out of here.” That’s the only explanation ever given for why, in Marta’s words to Kirk and McCoy, “Somebody up there wants you out of the way.”
It’s just brilliant. The Klingons are afraid of Kirk and McCoy escaping Rura Penthe and thwarting the second assassination. They decide the best way to prevent them escaping is to have Marta first verify that they have a way off the surface and then help them get out of the mines and out of the beaming shield so that the Klingons can use the escape attempt as an excuse to kill them. But, surprise surprise, Kirk and McCoy beam up to the Enterprise! D’oh!
The whole movie is rife with this kind of idiocy.
Kirk says to McCoy, “You and I are nothing. You heard the judge. The peace conference is on again. Whoever killed Gorkon is bound to attempt another assassination. Unless we can get out of here.” That’s the only explanation ever given for why, in Marta’s words to Kirk and McCoy, “Somebody up there wants you out of the way.”
It’s just brilliant. The Klingons are afraid of Kirk and McCoy escaping Rura Penthe and thwarting the second assassination. They decide the best way to prevent them escaping is to have Marta first verify that they have a way off the surface and then help them get out of the mines and out of the beaming shield so that the Klingons can use the escape attempt as an excuse to kill them. But, surprise surprise, Kirk and McCoy beam up to the Enterprise! D’oh!
The whole movie is rife with this kind of idiocy.
Neither would I. In fact, it has a lot more than one dumb line and one rather foolish scene, and I still wouldn’t toss it. It’s a very fun movie, but it’s also a very stupid very fun movie. It’s enjoyable if you either embrace the stupidity or shut down the thinking portions of your brain so that you don’t notice the stupidity.
Re: TUC
Interesting. The day the movie was released, I bought and read the novelization. I saw the film twice in the theater, and then paid the full $100 price for its VHS on its release day. Naturally, I have the DVD now, and it gets the most frequent rotation for repeat viewing of any of the movies. I'm both fond of it and familiar with it, I guess is the main bullet point of this part of the presentation. This whole time I took it for granted that Kirk's "unless we can get out of here" didn't mean the fate of the galaxy hinged on Kirk and McCoy personally, the comment "You and I are nothing" seemed to deflect that. I took "we" in that to refer to the getting back to the Enterprise, which you'll recall still had conspirators on board and some evidence of their innocence in the Gorkon assassination. The Klingons, and for that matter all the conspirators, would have good reason for wanting the Enterprise destroyed or captured before such questions could be examined. It was odd they didn't have a battle cruiser or two stationed around Rula Penthe, but as Star Trek movie faults go this is rather minor.
I guess I just found it odd when you singled out TUC for complaints about logic problems, in the face of so many better candidates. I've always thought 6 held up better than most. For instance, I wouldn't suggest anyone attempt your proverbial logic-bomb drinking game with The Wrath of Khan, a movie of even greater reputation but whose virtually every scene and plot point depends on either astonishing stupidity or WTF physics. Anyone attempting the drinking game there would die long before Spock does!
At this point it looks like we'll be discussing variant interpretations, and I'd rather not derail the thread with too much more of it. I've enjoyed discussing this with you, and will give you the last word.
Interesting. The day the movie was released, I bought and read the novelization. I saw the film twice in the theater, and then paid the full $100 price for its VHS on its release day. Naturally, I have the DVD now, and it gets the most frequent rotation for repeat viewing of any of the movies. I'm both fond of it and familiar with it, I guess is the main bullet point of this part of the presentation. This whole time I took it for granted that Kirk's "unless we can get out of here" didn't mean the fate of the galaxy hinged on Kirk and McCoy personally, the comment "You and I are nothing" seemed to deflect that. I took "we" in that to refer to the getting back to the Enterprise, which you'll recall still had conspirators on board and some evidence of their innocence in the Gorkon assassination. The Klingons, and for that matter all the conspirators, would have good reason for wanting the Enterprise destroyed or captured before such questions could be examined. It was odd they didn't have a battle cruiser or two stationed around Rula Penthe, but as Star Trek movie faults go this is rather minor.
I guess I just found it odd when you singled out TUC for complaints about logic problems, in the face of so many better candidates. I've always thought 6 held up better than most. For instance, I wouldn't suggest anyone attempt your proverbial logic-bomb drinking game with The Wrath of Khan, a movie of even greater reputation but whose virtually every scene and plot point depends on either astonishing stupidity or WTF physics. Anyone attempting the drinking game there would die long before Spock does!
At this point it looks like we'll be discussing variant interpretations, and I'd rather not derail the thread with too much more of it. I've enjoyed discussing this with you, and will give you the last word.
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