Forced Mind Meld?

[blssdwlf]

Another one: Kryton kills himself in "Elaan of Troyius" just to avoid getting a mind-meld interrogation...

 

[blssdwlf]

I just watched it again. You are right; he is talking about Methuselah before he falls asleep, or whatever. I just think of Capt. Kirk as being so easily love sick, that I kind of assumed.

Also, maybe in a way it wasn't really forced because Kirk says "If only I could forget..." sadly. That could be considered a proper invitation.

It seemed more like Kirk felt awful for causing the death of Rayna. He was lamenting about the fight between him and Flint that triggered Rayna to shutdown.

 

[Monoplex]

I seem to recall Spock doing it to a guard in the episode where the Enterprise crew is turned into styrofoam polygons and Scotty says "It's green." Is that a vague enough description?

 

[FormerLurker]

Spock did that to Kelinda in "By Any Other Name" after Kirk remembered him doing it in "A Taste of Armageddon" and asked him if he could do it again.

See above.

 

[sevenstars]

I believe there is an episode of Voyager where Vorik opens a link with B'Elanna as a result of entering pon farr. Though I don't think it was entirely intentional.

 

[Nerdius Maximus]

2) In the movie The Undiscovered Country Spock forces Saavic into a mind meld to get important information.

actually that was Valeris, not Saavik.

3) In the new movie Star Trek (2009)Spock mind melds with an unconscious romulan

Then it's not really a forced meld, as such, since the Romulan was not awake to be able to resist it.

That sounds a lot like the "It's not really rape if she's drunk" defense.

Well, it's not, is it?!?!

 

[sevenstars]

The appalling scene in STVI was unlike anything Spock had ever done - or would ever do. All the characterizations were way off in that movie, which is why I can barely watch it.

Though I love the movie-- that scene is so unexpected, and so full of personal vengeance, it angers me every time I see it. Totally out of character.

 

[F. King Daniel]

The appalling scene in STVI was unlike anything Spock had ever done - or would ever do. All the characterizations were way off in that movie, which is why I can barely watch it.

Though I love the movie-- that scene is so unexpected, and so full of personal vengeance, it angers me every time I see it. Totally out of character.

Agreed. Truth serums or even Ceti eels would have been more humane than vengeance-rape.

Perhaps it's Bendii syndrome.

 

[DonIago]

FWIW, in the novelization Valeris does actually admit Spock into her mind (IIRC), though that's obviously not clear purely from visual inspection (or the way it's played).

I think I'd rather be telepathcally raped than have a Ceti Eel shoved into my ear, in any case. That appears to involve excruciating physical pain, among other things.

 

[T'Bonz]

The novelization was terrible. Basically, in the movie, she was mind-raped. The book had her "allow" Spock to do this, making it a consensual act, whereas in the movie, it was quite clear that this was against her will.

 

[Timo]

...Again I must wonder if it really is common to think of a punch in the face or a knife in the gut as "rape". Or does any act of violence automatically become that if the perp is male and the vic is female?

Timo Saloniemi

 

[F. King Daniel]

Forcing yourself into someone's mind is far worse than punching or stabbing them.

Would you really want someone inside your head without permission? Reading your every single thought? Experiencing your most intimate and personal memories as if they were their own? Learning your darkest fantasies? Knowing your most shameful moments?

I'd pick a knife in the gut any day.

 

[Timo]

You, sir, are a bit weird.

...And again, what does any of this have to do with rape?

Does there exist some sort of a three-step scale where every activity (violence, crime, military tactics, table manners) is classified as "impoliteness", "rape" or "aggravated genocide with mustard", or what?

It's purely a matter of personal taste whether being raped is considered "better" or "worse" than being robbed, or being killed, or being invalidized, or being painted blue, or being awarded the Nobel Prize. That doesn't turn robbery into rape, or a blue coat of paint into rape, or the Nobel Prize into rape. Least of all is it evident that a telepathic accessing of another mind to learn its contents should somehow become rape, or be described as such. Rape isn't an act of accessing (except perhaps incidentally, in the most general terms), nor of learning, any more than looking into another person's mind is an act of asserting one's masculine power or deriving enjoyment from domination and instigation of fear or pain.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[F. King Daniel]

^I'm afraid that if you can't see going into another's mind without permission as rape, I believe it is you, sir, who is weird.

 

[DonIago]

I won't argue that entering someone's mind without consent could accurately be described as telepathic rape, but being rather squeamish about blood and potentially lethal injury, I think I'd prefer that to being stabbed in the chest.

 

[Sarita]

In "The Wrath of Khan" Spock renders McCoy unconscious with a neck pinch, and melds with him before sacrificing himself to repair the warp drive....but we don't find out about the actual meld until "The Search for Spock".

 

[I am not Spock]

The idea of removing a memory of an event, no matter how unpleasent (and I can think of about a billion worse things than Kirk went through) is utterly stupid IMO.

Get over it yourself, Jim!

I know! Whatever happened to Jim 'I need my pain!' Kirk?

 

[I am not Spock]

If I were Gracie, I'd be pissed off. Spock didn't get her permission.

 

[barnaclelapse]

Spock put his Katra into Bones without permission in TWoK.

...then again, Bones was unconcious at the time

(ever had a really weird dream? That's just Spock mind-raping you as you sleep)

That probably accounts for at least some of the sexual tension between them.

 

[Brutal Strudel]

Forcing yourself into someone's mind is far worse than punching or stabbing them.

Would you really want someone inside your head without permission? Reading your every single thought? Experiencing your most intimate and personal memories as if they were their own? Learning your darkest fantasies? Knowing your most shameful moments?

I'd pick a knife in the gut any day.

How 'bout a [censored] in the [censored]?