Forced Mind Meld?
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It seemed more like Kirk felt awful for causing the death of Rayna. He was lamenting about the fight between him and Flint that triggered Rayna to shutdown.
See above.
I believe there is an episode of Voyager where Vorik opens a link with B'Elanna as a result of entering pon farr. Though I don't think it was entirely intentional.
Well, it's not, is it?!?!
actually that was Valeris, not Saavik.
Then it's not really a forced meld, as such, since the Romulan was not awake to be able to resist it.
That sounds a lot like the "It's not really rape if she's drunk" defense.
Though I love the movie-- that scene is so unexpected, and so full of personal vengeance, it angers me every time I see it. Totally out of character.
Agreed. Truth serums or even Ceti eels would have been more humane than vengeance-rape.
Perhaps it's Bendii syndrome.
FWIW, in the novelization Valeris does actually admit Spock into her mind (IIRC), though that's obviously not clear purely from visual inspection (or the way it's played).
I think I'd rather be telepathcally raped than have a Ceti Eel shoved into my ear, in any case. That appears to involve excruciating physical pain, among other things.
I think I'd rather be telepathcally raped than have a Ceti Eel shoved into my ear, in any case. That appears to involve excruciating physical pain, among other things.
Forcing yourself into someone's mind is far worse than punching or stabbing them.
Would you really want someone inside your head without permission? Reading your every single thought? Experiencing your most intimate and personal memories as if they were their own? Learning your darkest fantasies? Knowing your most shameful moments?
I'd pick a knife in the gut any day.
Would you really want someone inside your head without permission? Reading your every single thought? Experiencing your most intimate and personal memories as if they were their own? Learning your darkest fantasies? Knowing your most shameful moments?
I'd pick a knife in the gut any day.
You, sir, are a bit weird. 
...And again, what does any of this have to do with rape?
Does there exist some sort of a three-step scale where every activity (violence, crime, military tactics, table manners) is classified as "impoliteness", "rape" or "aggravated genocide with mustard", or what?
It's purely a matter of personal taste whether being raped is considered "better" or "worse" than being robbed, or being killed, or being invalidized, or being painted blue, or being awarded the Nobel Prize. That doesn't turn robbery into rape, or a blue coat of paint into rape, or the Nobel Prize into rape. Least of all is it evident that a telepathic accessing of another mind to learn its contents should somehow become rape, or be described as such. Rape isn't an act of accessing (except perhaps incidentally, in the most general terms), nor of learning, any more than looking into another person's mind is an act of asserting one's masculine power or deriving enjoyment from domination and instigation of fear or pain.
Timo Saloniemi
...And again, what does any of this have to do with rape?
Does there exist some sort of a three-step scale where every activity (violence, crime, military tactics, table manners) is classified as "impoliteness", "rape" or "aggravated genocide with mustard", or what?
It's purely a matter of personal taste whether being raped is considered "better" or "worse" than being robbed, or being killed, or being invalidized, or being painted blue, or being awarded the Nobel Prize. That doesn't turn robbery into rape, or a blue coat of paint into rape, or the Nobel Prize into rape. Least of all is it evident that a telepathic accessing of another mind to learn its contents should somehow become rape, or be described as such. Rape isn't an act of accessing (except perhaps incidentally, in the most general terms), nor of learning, any more than looking into another person's mind is an act of asserting one's masculine power or deriving enjoyment from domination and instigation of fear or pain.
Timo Saloniemi
^I'm afraid that if you can't see going into another's mind without permission as rape, I believe it is you, sir, who is weird.
I know! Whatever happened to Jim 'I need my pain!' Kirk?
If I were Gracie, I'd be pissed off. Spock didn't get her permission.
Spock put his Katra into Bones without permission in TWoK.
...then again, Bones was unconcious at the time
(ever had a really weird dream? That's just Spock mind-raping you as you sleep)
That probably accounts for at least some of the sexual tension between them.
How 'bout a [censored] in the [censored]?
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