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ST09 critics, why don't you like it?
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We must agree to disagree.
Yeah, I thought this was suppost to be a critic critic free thread.
I have to agree that Keaton's Batman is awesome. In fact the 89 Batman is the most re-watchable Batman out there (in my opinion) its not too long and serious (The Dark Knight), but it doesn't get overly Comical (Batman and Robin or Ghost Rider). I think Batman Returns is the best Batman movie, but you can only watch so many times a year.
What really irks me in this thread, is the most voluminous posters/critics of the film, claim that they are true Trek fans and everyone who enjoys the film are not. I honesty really do not know what a True Trek fan is? I thought it is someone who enjoys Star Trek, including its various incarnations with buying, playing, and reading the fiction and non-fiction tie in work. Yes, I enjoyed the Movie. Will I sit blog and post about the plot holes to death, No, why because no movie is perfect and they will all have plot holes. They will have different artistic styles. In the last five Trek movies, there have been four different artistic styles for each movie. Ranging from the Generations (in which I enjoyed because it was the first Trek movie I got to see in the theatre) to Trek XI. If you go back to TMP, then have four more artistic styles to add to the list. Each Trek has its ups and downs. Like TWOK, people post on here its the closest to TOS, but in spirit I believe its TMP. I think Generations has the best crew interaction, but TFF and INS comes close. NEM has the best starship battle in all the movies, for one reason its nearly 45 minutes long with the best bridge chatter. The Kelvin's is the next best. All around good, is Trek XI, why because it is the best balanced of all the movies, its not over the top of anything. Its not non-stop action with a few dramatic scenes (FC) nor all technobable (TMP) or an extended episode (GEN) or too short (INS) or like NEM which is too slow for the first hour. The next best balanced one is TUC. I think TWOK takes itself too seriously and TSFS tries too much to be TWOK, and TVH is too 80s. Thats my take on the movies, overall I enjoy them. I don't let the little things detract from the enjoyment. I dont write nearly novel length reviews on such trivial things because I am watching my Trek movies with enjoyment. Do I get a little more giddy to see the ships and the various different ships that are shown, yeah. I am a ship-registry-classoholic, but on my first viewing I enjoy the movie first, and then rewatch to catch registry numbers or different ship variations next.
I know not everyone has to like the movie, but an overwhelming majority of fans do like the film, its the naysayers who keep going into every damn topic and brings up the reason why they dont like the film, even if it is not even associated with the topic at hand. You know we are talking about. So quit whining that this your thread to whine, its an open thread in which everyone can participate.
What really irks me in this thread, is the most voluminous posters/critics of the film, claim that they are true Trek fans and everyone who enjoys the film are not. I honesty really do not know what a True Trek fan is? I thought it is someone who enjoys Star Trek, including its various incarnations with buying, playing, and reading the fiction and non-fiction tie in work. Yes, I enjoyed the Movie. Will I sit blog and post about the plot holes to death, No, why because no movie is perfect and they will all have plot holes. They will have different artistic styles. In the last five Trek movies, there have been four different artistic styles for each movie. Ranging from the Generations (in which I enjoyed because it was the first Trek movie I got to see in the theatre) to Trek XI. If you go back to TMP, then have four more artistic styles to add to the list. Each Trek has its ups and downs. Like TWOK, people post on here its the closest to TOS, but in spirit I believe its TMP. I think Generations has the best crew interaction, but TFF and INS comes close. NEM has the best starship battle in all the movies, for one reason its nearly 45 minutes long with the best bridge chatter. The Kelvin's is the next best. All around good, is Trek XI, why because it is the best balanced of all the movies, its not over the top of anything. Its not non-stop action with a few dramatic scenes (FC) nor all technobable (TMP) or an extended episode (GEN) or too short (INS) or like NEM which is too slow for the first hour. The next best balanced one is TUC. I think TWOK takes itself too seriously and TSFS tries too much to be TWOK, and TVH is too 80s. Thats my take on the movies, overall I enjoy them. I don't let the little things detract from the enjoyment. I dont write nearly novel length reviews on such trivial things because I am watching my Trek movies with enjoyment. Do I get a little more giddy to see the ships and the various different ships that are shown, yeah. I am a ship-registry-classoholic, but on my first viewing I enjoy the movie first, and then rewatch to catch registry numbers or different ship variations next.
I know not everyone has to like the movie, but an overwhelming majority of fans do like the film, its the naysayers who keep going into every damn topic and brings up the reason why they dont like the film, even if it is not even associated with the topic at hand. You know we are talking about. So quit whining that this your thread to whine, its an open thread in which everyone can participate.
3D Master
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Except of course, that they didn't, it is sooner the other way around.
See?
Trek XI the best balanced? If there is one movie that has no balance whatsoever it's Trek XI. It's nothing but CGI interspersed with juvenile jokes... and oh yeah, plot-hole, plot-hole, plot-hole, plot-hole, plot-hole, idiocy, more idiocies, plot-holes, and on, and on.
There we go again with the true fan bit. Apparently you're not a true fan unless you like all Star Trek, completely regardless of it's quality.
Except of course, that it is the other way around, but hey, let's not get reality into this novel length rant, right?
First of all, not even close to your level.
3D Master
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Yeah, it shows, see as they're pro the movie and are busy insulting critics of it.
Dude, you are the biggest weenie I have ever met online.
Its funny that you call them insulting critics, and you insult everyone who enjoys the movie. I find that extremely hypocritical, and in fact the majority of your posts in this thread are insulting and factless (as in no facts, as in without facts, and as in no facts). So if we use your arguments, every Trek that was ever shown on the air is pointless and insulting to everyone with intelligence and people should not watch it.
Its funny that you call them insulting critics, and you insult everyone who enjoys the movie. I find that extremely hypocritical, and in fact the majority of your posts in this thread are insulting and factless (as in no facts, as in without facts, and as in no facts). So if we use your arguments, every Trek that was ever shown on the air is pointless and insulting to everyone with intelligence and people should not watch it.
3D Master
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Except of course for that annoying fact, that:
a. I have not insulted anyone, I don't think I even insulted those who started to insult me.
b. My posts are nothing but facts. If I don't have any facts, I don't post.
And it's more than a little ironic that ProwlAlpha insulted you (not your arguments, but you) more than once in that last post. And in his previous post. His central interest seems to be in discussing the film's critics themselves, rather than the merits of their criticisms. And Sector7 insulted fans in general, too, in the very quotation PA dug up to argue (somehow) that the film's defenders weren't insulting people.
(BTW, PA, why on earth should any of us care how "profitable" Star Trek is? We're fans, not Paramount executives. I'm aware that it's the property of a corporation that will do what they like with it, but that's hardly something to celebrate... much less a defense of the artistic merits of the product.)
(BTW, PA, why on earth should any of us care how "profitable" Star Trek is? We're fans, not Paramount executives. I'm aware that it's the property of a corporation that will do what they like with it, but that's hardly something to celebrate... much less a defense of the artistic merits of the product.)
Because you have a lot of people on this board whose only concern is to be associated with something popular. I think alot of them were picked last for Dodgeball when they were kids.
Not true, second to the last, because I was big boned as kid and suffice to say a large target. Not true anymore because the Army took care of that.
Yes, 3D you did, page 17. Besides your posts are not facts rather than your opinion. Yes, I did aim the majority of posts at the critics because the majority of their posts are rather at the people who enjoyed the film rather than the film.
I did enjoy the film it was not perfect but it fell with the other films in the level of enjoyment, but I will not nitpick this film in every minute detail to prove I have really do not have no point and press my opinions as facts. Especially, when the majority of Trek fans who went to the film, enjoyed as shown by percentage who voted in this forum and reviews sites. In fact those numbers where presented twice by myself and someone else. So unless 3D is in another universe where this film bombed and hated by the majority of people who saw it, but became stranded in this universe because his runabout went through the.... ah you know the rest.
Yes, 3D you did, page 17. Besides your posts are not facts rather than your opinion. Yes, I did aim the majority of posts at the critics because the majority of their posts are rather at the people who enjoyed the film rather than the film.
I did enjoy the film it was not perfect but it fell with the other films in the level of enjoyment, but I will not nitpick this film in every minute detail to prove I have really do not have no point and press my opinions as facts. Especially, when the majority of Trek fans who went to the film, enjoyed as shown by percentage who voted in this forum and reviews sites. In fact those numbers where presented twice by myself and someone else. So unless 3D is in another universe where this film bombed and hated by the majority of people who saw it, but became stranded in this universe because his runabout went through the.... ah you know the rest.
Because you have a lot of people on this board whose only concern is to be associated with something popular. I think alot of them were picked last for Dodgeball when they were kids.
Quite a claim. Name one.
Ah, yes, you have. To claim that those who enjoy the film were victims of some kind of hypnotic effect created by flashing lights and booming sound IS an insult to some (me, I know for sure).
And it's NOT a fact. It is an opinion, a very bizarre one at that. So bizarre, I question whether you really believe it. Because as strange and obsessed as you come across here, I can't believe you actually take such a notion seriously.
You aren't that weird and bizarre.
Are you?
Because you have a lot of people on this board whose only concern is to be associated with something popular. I think alot of them were picked last for Dodgeball when they were kids.
Quite a claim. Name one.
Lack a sense of humor?
Of course not. But if one isn't funny, BillJ, one should really leave the "jokes" to the professionals.
Because you have a lot of people on this board whose only concern is to be associated with something popular. I think alot of them were picked last for Dodgeball when they were kids.
Quite a claim. Name one.
Lack a sense of humor?
There's certainly no "humor" in this thread, that's for sure.
I just wish that us "ST09 dislikers" could have been left alone, entitled to our opinion, and allowed to express it amongst ourselves as a refuge, a "support group" for each other, to deal with the fact that we will not get "real" Star Trek for a very, very long time since this movie came out. They're not going to "go back" anytime soon, and I just wish other fans had been able to practice IDIC and allow us our say (to each other) instead of invading the thread and continuing to oppress us wherever we are found. We were minding our own business...
I was also hoping there'd be at least ONE place on the Internet that could be a mutual discussion instead of a flamewar/argument.
I was also hoping there'd be at least ONE place on the Internet that could be a mutual discussion instead of a flamewar/argument.
Way I see it, even though I supported you having your own "support group", most of this discussion has been civil.
There has been some barbs, but from BOTH sides. Difference between, say, Dennis and 3D Master, is Dennis is quite up front when he's being a douche. 3D tries to rationalize his away.
He fools no one.
If you are going to be a dick, be honest about it.
There has been some barbs, but from BOTH sides. Difference between, say, Dennis and 3D Master, is Dennis is quite up front when he's being a douche. 3D tries to rationalize his away.
He fools no one.
If you are going to be a dick, be honest about it.
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