Wouldn't it be awesome if Doctor Who villains got together and formed a group to take down the doctor
Just imagine the scene in "Doomsday" as a minor squabble lol
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kBSOhODoch0
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Wouldn't it be awesome if Doctor Who villains got together and formed a group to take down the doctor
Just imagine the scene in "Doomsday" as a minor squabble lol
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kBSOhODoch0
i love that scene.
So they can all stop to listen to him talk together while he figures out a way to escape (usually by running away)?
If any of his villains ever actually considered trying to kill him as their main goal he would have died 13-times over in the first season.
The thing I don't get about that scene is haven't the Cybermen and Daleks ever met before? Surely they must have come across each other before.
well there is no reason the Cyberman would know about Daleks, them being from Petes World & all.
As for the Daleks, one of them did say that their outline resembled the inferior species known as the Cybermen, so that suggest the Daleks are aware of the original Cybermen. Also they seem very arrogant about how much stronger they are than the Cyberman (its possible that this is the Daleks default setting) when they have only known this model of Cyberman for an hour at most, just becasue the first two were easily destroyed the Daleks should not assume the rest of them will be as easy.
As for the Daleks, one of them did say that their outline resembled the inferior species known as the Cybermen, so that suggest the Daleks are aware of the original Cybermen. Also they seem very arrogant about how much stronger they are than the Cyberman (its possible that this is the Daleks default setting) when they have only known this model of Cyberman for an hour at most, just becasue the first two were easily destroyed the Daleks should not assume the rest of them will be as easy.
While it is certainly within the realm of possibility that Daleks and Cybermen have met at some point, Doomsday is the first time that we the audience have seen Daleks and Cybermen together. I would imagine that scene was done for the benefit of the fans.
The proper Cybermen backstory. Humanoid aliens living on Earth's twin planet Mondas which drifted into the outer solar system were motivated above all else to survive. To do so they turned themselves into cyborgs. Eventually the entire population were forced to convert.
Jettisoning this and making them into corporate products created by a mad scientist in an alternate reality on Earth bent on 'evolving' humanity by turning them into machines so that he may have some sort of immortality diminishes them and their motivations, imo.
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Eh. Though I prefer the original backstory, too... "The Next Doctor" would have played out exactly the same with the old Cybermen. It's a difference that makes no difference.
I was thinking more this compared to this.
Really? Damn, my rose-tinted glasses must be broken:
Apart from nostalgia, what do the old Cybermen bring to the table that the new Cybermen don't?
I'd the images, but I can never remember the rules as to what's allowed.[/QUOTE]
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In what [i]possible[/i] sense of the term does the alien in your second link look better than the one in your first?
^In the sense of "this is a poster who thinks Nemesis is a good movie."
Hmm. I don't know that I'd call Star Trek: Nemesis a good movie, I don't think it's nearly as bad as many of its detractors like to claim.
I was thinking more this compared to this.Really? Damn, my rose-tinted glasses must be broken:
Apart from nostalgia, what do the old Cybermen bring to the table that the new Cybermen don't?
I'd the images, but I can never remember the rules as to what's allowed.[/QUOTE]
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In what [I]possible[/I] sense of the term does the alien in your second link look better than the one in your first?[/QUOTE]
In my opinion, it looks less like a person in prosthetics. I'm not saying it's perfect or anything, but the design ideas are there. Maybe just stick a couple of big eyes on the first one and it would do the world of good.
[quote="Gep Malakai, post: 3830548"]^In the sense of "this is a poster who thinks [I]Nemesis[/I] is a good movie." ;)[/QUOTE]
Haha, good point. Way to invalidate every point of view I may have.
Idiot.
Actually, and I can't beleive I'm going to say this, but I think Bones has a point. The first one is brilliantly done, but it does have the look of a Voyager alien. ie it does look like someone in make up...then again I guess the second one looks like a guy in a suit, but it is less recognisably human than the newer version. If that makes sense?
Or to use a Trek analogy. Compare a TOS Gorn to a DS9 Bajoran, which one actually looks more like they evolved thousands of light years from Earth? (actually scratch that as obviously Silurians did evolve a lot closer
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Actually I did like the Cybermen in the Next Doctor, they felt much more like the classic variery...well until they built a giant transformer orf course...sigh...
Or to use a Trek analogy. Compare a TOS Gorn to a DS9 Bajoran, which one actually looks more like they evolved thousands of light years from Earth? (actually scratch that as obviously Silurians did evolve a lot closer
)Actually I did like the Cybermen in the Next Doctor, they felt much more like the classic variery...well until they built a giant transformer orf course...sigh...
Classy.
I'd have to agree with you there - and by extension Bones, that the alien in the first link did look a little like a thousand (that's me hyperboiling by the way before anyone decides to contradict me) other aliens we've seen on Television, just a man or woman with some prosthetics on - at first I thought it looked like the Cactus people from End of Time.
A DS9 Bajoran. No, a Bajoran doesn't fool you into thinking he's actually an alien, but at least he doesn't look like a bad Halloween costume.
I'd take a well-done-but-recognizably-person-in-make alien over an obviously-a-guy-in-a-rubber-costume-out-of-a-cheap-B-movie alien any day of the week.
That's enough of that. One warning for flaming.
^In the sense of "this is a poster who thinks Nemesis is a good movie."
And you need to knock it off with the personal comments, Gep.
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I don't disagree, but I think there has to be some middle ground. I wouldn't want a man in a suit every week, but by the same token shows can get lazy (yes I'm looking at you Star Trek) especially when you have to have a monster/alien every week. I think while sometimes the man in the suit can look rubbish, at other times it can work really well, and I;'d rather they at least tried to do something that looekd alien and didn't quite always pull it off than become lazy and just slap putty into different parts of people's faces. This is a similar issue to the future clothing one. Now it's really easy to muck up totally trying to create future fashions, but again at least it shows some level of imagination that you try sometimes. This is science fiction not Corrie!