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What you did or didn't like about TFF....

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Joel_Kirk

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...And we come to TFF....The Final Frontier...

What was the tagline for this film?

*checking IMDB*

Why Are They Putting Seatbelts In Theatres This Summer?

Likes:

-Can I say Yeoman Shatner was cute?

-Caithlin Dar

-Okay, I didn't mind Uhura's 'dance'....(If you still got it....)

Dislikes:

-Uhura dancing....(Normally, Uhura wouldn't be doing someting like that)...

-Scotty's portrayal...

-Kirk's portrayal...(Someone needed to reign in Shatner's acting)...

-Too much cheesy jet-boot action

-Those effects were lousy

-Cliched Klingons....

-A story that needed a couple more rewrites...
 
Likes:
A lot of it was very funny.
Bones got a lot of good dialogue.
Good action scenes (people, not ships).
EXTREMELY well photographed movie.
Jerry Goldsmith score.

Dislikes:
Almost all of the FX.
Rushed ending due to budget cuts.
Scotty banging his head.
Uhura's dance.
 
Likes: The score. Jerry Goldsmith should have been hired for all the Trek movies, IMHO.

Dislikes: Pretty much everything else. Awful, awful movie.
 
Santalan said:
Likes: The score. Jerry Goldsmith should have been hired for all the Trek movies, IMHO.

Dislikes: Pretty much everything else. Awful, awful movie.
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I wanted to mention: It seemed that the Goldsmith template in this film was used for the movies FC-NEM....

However, it would have been interesting to have Horner for FC, but I think the guy was too expensive at the time....;)

Sidenote: I do remember meeting the Shatner daughter who wrote the 'making-of' book when she made a very small appearance at--what was the name--Kyle's Books in Long Beach, Ca.....

I was probably 14 at the time; the year of Batman and Indiana Jones....

I forget if I had a copy that was signed....:lol:
 
Likes:
McCoy's flashback scene.
Kirk basically calling Spock a brother (the only scene in the entire movie where Shatner's acting is OK)

Hates: everything else.
 
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Why Are They Putting Seatbelts In Theatres This Summer?
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So people won't leave before the movie is over.

Horrible, horrible movie. The lack of budget really shows in this one. The cheap slapstick humor really gets old really quickly. Especially the Scotty hitting his head gag. And if you want to see something really sad, check out the press conference on the DVD extras.
 
Bad characterization: General Korrd is the resolution to the whole crisis, but he's been portrayed as a vulgar, drunken, worthless nonentity for the sake of cheap laughs.

He should have been accorded some respect in his backstory. Just one scene between him and Kirk wherein the latter reminds the former of his once-dignified stature would have helped greatly to set up the ending.
 
Likes:
-I loved the novelization. I was fortunate to read it before watching the film so I wasn't so judgmental about the film
-The character moments. I loved it when Sybok revealed McCoy and Spock's pasts and Kirk declared that he needed his pain.
-The search for God. I thought it was different and kind of epic. However the reach exceeded the grasp for the project.
-The humor. I liked the camping scene and Scotty bumping his head. Sue me.
-I thought Sybok was decent. He was an understated antagonist. Not really a villain. Looking back, they probably didn't need to make him Spock's brother, but I didn't mind it too much.

Dislikes:
-Poor FX
-Wish they had gone with a Romulan ship instead of Klaa. He and Vixis were handled much better in the novelization. Actually everything was better in the novelization.
-Nichelle Nichols' fan dancing.
 
Likes:

- The "Klingon theme" from "The Motion Picture".

- The Camp Scenes.

Dislikes:

- Pretty much everything alse, especially "What does God want with a starship?"

- There is a MAJOR scientific inaccuaracy - every science fiction writer should be aware, that there are no planets in the center of the Milky Way or any other galaxy. I'm sure that by 1989 astronomers had already discovered, that every galaxy has a supermassive black hole in its center.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supermassive_black_hole
 
I just watched ST:V tonight. I had seen it once many years ago and I pretty much remembered nothing about it. It was the last movie DVD I bought. I knew it was considered "bad" and that Roddenberry had declared it not canon and I went into watching it without great expectations..

It was FANTASTIC! I absolutely loved it. Great story, great pacing, many many many great lines. I cannot imagine why it's so disliked.

When I heard McCoy's line about Spock, "I liked him better before he died." I had to pause the dvd because I just about fell off the couch laughing. We replayed it several times because we were laughing so hard.

The whole Kirk/Spock bond was very emphasized in this film, often with humor. Kirk goes to hug Spock at the end and Spock says, "Please Captain, not in front of the Klingons." LOLness.

I liked Kirk's question, "What does God need with a starship?" because it was so...Kirk. He was always a very quick witted man. Kirk in this film reminded me a lot of Kirk in the Shatnerverse which I realize many won't think a good thing but I enjoyed.

Got a shock at the Klingon music being from TMP. But it's good music!

So that was a very enjoyable surprise. I had expected it to suck majorly but I can't really see how it sucked any more than some of the other films. I even liked Sybok.

Lots of humor in ST:V.
 
Elder Knight said:
Bad characterization: General Korrd is the resolution to the whole crisis, but he's been portrayed as a vulgar, drunken, worthless nonentity for the sake of cheap laughs.

He should have been accorded some respect in his backstory. Just one scene between him and Kirk wherein the latter reminds the former of his once-dignified stature would have helped greatly to set up the ending.
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As much as I love TFF (part of my TWOK/TMP/TFF ones-I-like-and-rewatch troika), you've got one of the biggest faults completely nailed. They might have been able to slide by if they'd cast Colicos as Kor -- somebody who had a history of being more than a drunk -- but as-was, it just doesn't work.

It is one of those problems that should have been worked out on paper long before shooting began, and Bennett never should have let it go as it was. Bennett and Winter really did a disservice to Shatner in a lot of ways on this one, with respect to the crews and support.
 
I like:
- The sweaters they wore down to the planet.
- The bridge was bright and looked like an ancestor of the Enterprise D bridge.
- The phasers
 
There is so much I like about this criminally under-rated film:

The music, direction, story (yes I think it has a good plot), character moments, action...

The only things i dislike are some of the humor (the Uhura fan dance and Scotty banging his head scene never bugged me, though) and some of the effects. The ending in particular just needed something MORE, a better pay off with all the build-up.

I'm confident that even the most hardened detractors would raise the movie up a few notches if it had enhanced effects.

PLEASE Paramount, let Shatner properly finish his movie!
 
Penhall99 said:
There is so much I like about this criminally under-rated film:

The music, direction, story (yes I think it has a good plot), character moments, action...

The only things i dislike are some of the humor (the Uhura fan dance and Scotty banging his head scene never bugged me, though) and some of the effects. The ending in particular just needed something MORE, a better pay off with all the build-up.

I'm confident that even the most hardened detractors would raise the movie up a few notches if it had enhanced effects.

PLEASE Paramount, let Shatner properly finish his movie!
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Some of my thoughts probably contradict with yours, but
good post...:techman:
 
Likes.........

Score, teaser, Luckinbill/Sybok, 'pain scenes', outdoor shooting, Big 3 scenes..............


Dislikes............

FX (duh), 'humor' at expense of crew, 'humor' at expense of ship, 'Dar' actress, rushed anti-climactic ending, lack of space battles, lack of Romulan rescue attempt, Shatner over-acting in some scenes..........


I always wanted a director's cut, but Shatner is almost 80 and he probably has no interest and it would be better if an outside team upgraded the movie with a more incisive mentality than Shatner seemed to show in his commentary.
 
Grant said:
Likes.........

Score, teaser, Luckinbill/Sybok, 'pain scenes', outdoor shooting, Big 3 scenes..............


Dislikes............

FX (duh), 'humor' at expense of crew, 'humor' at expense of ship, 'Dar' actress, rushed anti-climactic ending, lack of space battles, lack of Romulan rescue attempt, Shatner over-acting in some scenes..........


I always wanted a director's cut, but Shatner is almost 80 and he probably has no interest and it would be better if an outside team upgraded the movie with a more incisive mentality than Shatner seemed to show in his commentary.
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Shatner has expressed interest many times in doing a Director's Edition. He even approached Paramount before they released the Trek V Collector's Edition DVD about doing a new cut, but they told him to get lost.

It is true that Shatner did not seem as interested in the movie during the audio commentary, but my guess is that he was still ticked at Paramount for not letting him do a new cut.
 
By the third season of TOS Shatner started injecting himself into the character of Kirk, and what we ended up with was Captain Shatner (basically Kirk minus about 50 IQ points).

It was bad enough that it happen to Kirk (one of my favorite characters), but in TFF every aspect of the movie was Shatnerfied. The whole movie was basically a satire of Star Trek. And had it been made as a joke movie (like Galaxy Quest, only GQ respected it's audience more), I could have been more forgiving of it. As it was, the movie is proof that not only did Shatner not get what made Star Trek special, none of the actors apparently did either (or they would have protested the degrading way their characters were presented in this film).

My favorite thing about the movie is that most of the time I forget that it was even made. :techman:
 
I thought the concept of Nimbus III was interesting. I like the idea of three galactic super powers making an incredibly half assed attempt at a show of peace when none of them were interested in peace at all (except maybe the Feds). And it was the average folks who got conned into moving there that payed the price.

There seemed to be more story potential there but at the very least it made for an interesting setting.
 
ToddKent said:
I thought the concept of Nimbus III was interesting. I like the idea of three galactic super powers making an incredibly half assed attempt at a show of peace when none of them were interested in peace at all (except maybe the Feds). And it was the average folks who got conned into moving there that payed the price.

There seemed to be more story potential there but at the very least it made for an interesting setting.
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Yeah it was hilarious that the town was called Paradise when it was just a little Mos Eisley style shit hole.
 
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