Ummmmm, not really. I'm accepting all different points of view, then responding according to my take on them.
Is this not what we do here?
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Did Kirk's rather *enthusiastic* execution of Nero bug you?
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Is this not what we do here?
He offered to try to save the Narada and take its crew into custody; Nero refused and re-affirmed his desire to continue his war crimes. The Narada had already demonstrated an ability to survive being sucked through a black hole and still represent a threat to those it encountered, raising the possibility that the Narada would either survive and remain a threat to the Federation or that it would emerge into yet another alternate timeline and threaten its inhabitants.
What, exactly, should Kirk have done differently under those circumstances?
Coup de grâce?
Just a thought. Could also be another instance of the mirroring seen throughout the movie, in this case the reflection of Nero/Narada firing on a crippled Kelvin and the escaping shuttles near the beginning of the movie.
For the same reason Obi-Wan should have completed the job at Mustafar. To be sure the threat is dealt with.
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ummm..it was done to please the THEATER audience, so on that level..yes..I support it. It got a big round of applause which is, for star trek's well being, far more important than some out of date IDIC need for 'PCish' mish mash story telling...
Rob
I've got to agree. If nero had of accepted Kirk's offer of assistance he would have helped but he didn't. Add to the fact that the man destroyed billions of lives on Vulcan alone not to mention all the dead on the starships including Kirk's father.
Not out of character for kirk at all.
Anyone remember: "I. Have had enough. Of you!" from Star Trek III?
He's kicking a guy in the face to send him to his doom, and it's a wonderfully funny moment.
Kirk is not and never has been a super-serious character.
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Nero wiped out BILLIONS! Now I might not have had a smile on my face, but I'd certainly want to make sure Nero never killed anyone else again. And I definitely would note have wanted a trial for this Bastard now that he's one of the greatest war criminals in history. Someone that EVIL in my opinion does not deserve a trail.
Now that I think of it I might have said it more plainly: Nero and his crew were terrorists.
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After his helping hand had been rejected, which is what happened in Trek XI.
The movie has countless flaws but this isn't one of them.
There are a couple of reasons I don't see this scene in a bad light:
1. Kirk offers assistance. I saw this as absolutely in character with Kirk. He shows the same "compassion" as he did when defeating Khan at the end of TWOK.
2. It was Spock who said "No way". If there is any beef about this scene, it may be with how Spock responds to Kirk's offer. But, you can actually understand Spock's reaction when you consider...
3. Nero committed genocide. He's a monster. Spock knows this, and it is a different Spock we have here vs. TOS. TOS Spock (or Spock Prime, whatever...) never had these events happen in his life, and I believe this is a logical result of these events for the character.
4. Nero did ask for it. 'Nuff said.
5. Kirk's young. What I liked about the movie was we weren't seeing the older, wiser, middle-aged Kirk, but the young, brash, cocky, trigger happy Kirk that we knew he had to be in his youth. Even by the time we get to know Kirk in TOS, he's not really this guy. But you heard hints about the kind of guy Kirk was in his youth. Now we get to see it, and I think Pine plays THIS Kirk to a tee.
1. Kirk offers assistance. I saw this as absolutely in character with Kirk. He shows the same "compassion" as he did when defeating Khan at the end of TWOK.
2. It was Spock who said "No way". If there is any beef about this scene, it may be with how Spock responds to Kirk's offer. But, you can actually understand Spock's reaction when you consider...
3. Nero committed genocide. He's a monster. Spock knows this, and it is a different Spock we have here vs. TOS. TOS Spock (or Spock Prime, whatever...) never had these events happen in his life, and I believe this is a logical result of these events for the character.
4. Nero did ask for it. 'Nuff said.
5. Kirk's young. What I liked about the movie was we weren't seeing the older, wiser, middle-aged Kirk, but the young, brash, cocky, trigger happy Kirk that we knew he had to be in his youth. Even by the time we get to know Kirk in TOS, he's not really this guy. But you heard hints about the kind of guy Kirk was in his youth. Now we get to see it, and I think Pine plays THIS Kirk to a tee.
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Yes, he is sometimes willing to off the bad guy if the situation warrants. You may have found that moment funny, but it was clear that Kirk was taking it VERY seriously. That dickhead was trying to pull him down into a lava flow, after all.
"Terrorist" is a convenient label and usually nothing more than that.
Points worth considering. As is Spock's established "cold" practicality when facing a clear threat.
I dunno. In the series, after half of his crew is horribly killed off by that week's monster, it never stopped Kirk to end the mission by laughing and joking around (usually at Spock's expense). 
The entirety of the Picard's actions in the TNG movies. Or does acting out of character not count?
The entirety of the Picard's actions in the TNG movies. Or does acting out of character not count?
Let's not forget, Nero and his cronies just broke out of a KLINGON prison and destroyed 47 Klingon ships. If a Klingon prison can't hold them, how do you thing a Federation one would?
Nero was a mass murderer responsible for biilions of deaths and he still offered him assistance. So, no it didn't bug me.
But I think that Captain Picard would feel bad after that, even though he did the right thing. It's just a matter of personality.
But I think that Captain Picard would feel bad after that, even though he did the right thing. It's just a matter of personality.
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