Changes in TNG History

[dannyraymilliga]

I was really engaged by the Star Trek movie that came out this year. Rather than being a complete reboot of the original series, they created a new timeline through the interference of Nero coming into the past and destroying Vulcan.

Of course, this alternate timeline means that several of the events from TOS will now NOT happen, because Vulcan no longer exists. However, has anyone stopped to consider how much of the Star Trek Universe (hereafter referred to as ST Prime) is also altered?

We all know that Vulcans played a MAJOR role in the society of the Star Trek Universe throughout all the different series and movies of the franchise. Now that Vulcan no longer exists, and the race has been reduced to approximately 10,000 survivors, needless to say they won't have quite the political, scientific and cultural impact in the newly created timeline that they had in ST Prime timeline, am I correct?

In what ways will the loss of Vulcan change history for the likes of Picard and Riker? As depicted in "First Contact", Vulcans were responsible for bringing Earth into the Federation. What races will not now be encountered by them, perhaps never to be encountered, or even to become enemies? Did the Vulcans play a pivotal role in the Klingon Empire becoming associated with the Federation? Will there now be a future TNG where there is no Worf, because his people never became friendly with Earth?

Your thoughts on this, please

(btw, sorry I brought such a conundrum up for discussion, " 'tis ratha RUDE for a newbie" I am sure

-Danny

 

[Tom Riley]

Not at all, you ask what you want to know.

There is one thread over in the FanFiction section about what the nuTNG timeline might be like. It's in a story format so it hasn't gotten too far yet but it'll get there.

 

[I am not Spock]

The new timeline should make the episode Amok Time very interesting.

And, yes, the Vulcans were quite important in Federation/Klingon relations. Although Sarek was the one who negotiated the Khitomer Accords, and he's still alive in this timeline, so maybe Feds and Klingons will still become allies.

 

[thew40]

If it bothers you so much, then just imagine that Spock and Nero traveled to a parallel universe that was just extremely similair to the Prime universe.

As far as the future of TNG and such, I'm betting we wouldn't see Tuvok any time soon.

 

[-Brett-]

Tuvok couldn't go undercover with the Maquis if he doesn't exist. Which means that when that one guy with the tatoos whose name I can't be bothered to remember goes missing in the badlands, no one will care. So the events of the entire Voyager series would be out.

The events of TNG and DS9 would probably be pretty much the same. The Dominion war would have a lot more lense flares, but that's about it.

 

[T'Cal]

In this altered timeline, 2233 on, Spock Prime exists. Will he ensure that certain events occur, especially those with a Vulcan influence? Could be.

 

[Timo]

Such as making sure that Jean-Luc Picard will be there to save the Feds from the Borg? Despite the odds of his parents even meeting being low?

"C'mon, M'sieur, you can do it! It's logical! Yes! A bit deeper... Yes! Yes! The destiny of the universe is at stake here, don't freeze! ...You froze. Illogical. But fascinating. Let's try again later in the afternoon. With your pardon, M'moiselle. Thank you."

I'm not convinced all such matters would really be within the jurisdiction of Spock Prime...

Timo Saloniemi

 

[NickInABox]

Picard will actually be an Englishman named John Prichmond, but he'll be played by Giancarlo Giannini, and he'll have a penchant for Italian wines.

 

[Traveller]

Such as making sure that Jean-Luc Picard will be there to save the Feds from the Borg? Despite the odds of his parents even meeting being low?

"C'mon, M'sieur, you can do it! It's logical! Yes! A bit deeper... Yes! Yes! The destiny of the universe is at stake here, don't freeze! ...You froze. Illogical. But fascinating. Let's try again later in the afternoon. With your pardon, M'moiselle. Thank you."

I'm not convinced all such matters would really be within the jurisdiction of Spock Prime...

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Garm Bel Iblis]

Not at all, you ask what you want to know.

There is one thread over in the FanFiction section about what the nuTNG timeline might be like. It's in a story format so it hasn't gotten too far yet but it'll get there.

THanks for the plug! We're expecting a blizzard here, so i'll be adding a lot more!

 

[Garm Bel Iblis]

I feel that with Vulcan decimated and elder Spock back in the past, a different future will unfold witht he Romulans. I think Unification is far more likely now.

 

[Anwar]

Tuvok wasn't from Vulcan itself, he was from a Vulcan colony world. He probably still exists in the NuTimeline.

Way I see it, Trek obeys the same time alteration rules as Farscape: Time has a way of adapting to changes and as long as you can get things as close as you can to the way they were originally, time itself will try to keep things as they were before the alteration.

And aside from Sarek and Spock, how many other full Vulcans were ever seen as that important to Fed history? This may come off as cold, but maybe in the grand scheme of things all those Vulcans who died weren't that important to the Universe.

 

[The Wormhole]

As depicted in "First Contact", Vulcans were responsible for bringing Earth into the Federation.

Uh, no. Humans and Vulcans, as well as Andorians and Tellarites join together and start the Federation.

Did the Vulcans play a pivotal role in the Klingon Empire becoming associated with the Federation?

Spock and Sarek played a pivotal in bringing peace between the Federation and the Klingons. Since they're still around, there's no reason why Khitomer still can't take place.

The events of TNG and DS9 would probably be pretty much the same. The Dominion war would have a lot more lense flares, but that's about it.

Also, Quark now sells Budweiser.

Tuvok wasn't from Vulcan itself, he was from a Vulcan colony world.

No, Tuvok was from Vulcan. This is stated many times in Voyager, and the episode Gravity even show flashbacks to his childhood on Vulcan.

However, his parents were Starfleet officers. I'm not sure if the timing works out, but they could have been off Vulcan, either at the Academy or on assignment when Nero attacked, and therefore Tuvok could still be born.

EDIT: Sorry, just checked Memory Alpha, and yes you were right, Tuvok was indeed born on a Vulcan colony. But he did grow up on Vulcan.

 

[Anwar]

Well, if the Vulcans try to make their new world as much like Vulcan as they can then Tuvok's childhood will probably be the same.

 

[Traveller]

At least the Remans are gone for good *cheers*

 

[Arpy]

Gentlemen, please, this is Star Trek we're talking about. TNG will be exactly the same, except JJ-ified with a bigger ship and more flares.

Forgive me - cheap shot on the flares. I actually liked them a lot. TOS had tons of weird plays with light and I wonder if that's not where he got the idea.

PS: now that Vulcan's gone in the past and Romulus in the future...the majority of Vulcanoids in the galaxy are...gulp...Remans! AAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Traveller]

^Nonononono, twin planets, remember? If Romulus is gone, so is Remus and those fugly creatures they created for that abominable s**t that was ... hmmm.... what was the name of the movie? I successfully erased everything connected to it from my memory.

But yes, they killed off the Vulcans and the Romulans. After all those years of TNG's Klingon fest, patiently waitig for my favorite aliens to be honoured as they should.

You know what we'll get in a vulcanoid-deprived universe?

More Klingons.

Or Khan.

Meet me in another parallel universe.

 

[Nevyn]

TNG history will be exactly the same, with the exception of Vulcan being gone. While the odds of the TNG cast even being born are extremely low, all of them will still be there simply because it's their destiny to meet on the Enterprise-D and save the universe once a week. And if you don't believe in destiny, fine with me; just imagine a Q did it.

 

[Crewman47]

I was reading the first post in the fan fiction story linked above and it occured to me that if the Romulans did eventually unite with the remaining Vulcans then, depending on when they might have done this, they might not have attacked the Klingon colony at Narendra III, meaning Worf and kurn would still be with there parents and Worf would never likely join Starfleet but serve in the Empire instead, much like the events seen of Mirror Worf in the DS9 Mirror episodes and the alternate timeline seen in Yeasterdays Enterprise.

 

[Traveller]

So, the Federation hails the Empire:

"Hey, guess what? In about 130 years from now, a star in your Empire will go Übernova and rip your planet apart."

(...)

"How we know that? Well, one of ours accidentally traveled back in time while trying to suck that Hypernova thingie into a black hole."

(...)

"Yeah, he didn't succeed, but forewarned is forearmed, no? So, we have the formula for this really powerful stuff called "red matter" and we're willing to drop it into that star that will go boom in a century."

(...)

"Yes, it means we'll create a black hole in your backyard."

(...!!!!!)

"But we're only having your best interests at heart! We're the Feds, after all."

(...)

"No we won't hand it over to you for examination. We'll deliver it ourselves, thank you."

(.)

"Ungrateful, paranoid, pointy-eared SOB! Well, blow up in hundred years, THEN you'll believe me!"


Really, why would the Roms believe a single word? They'll blow up and then the universe will be a very bleak one to live in