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Photo: Apollo 11 landing site

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Bill Morris

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I couldn't find a thread on this, so here goes.

Here's a page from OKUDA LOG, a Web site operated by one of our more famous TreBBS members, with discussion and a photo of the Apollo 11 landing site, recently taken by NASA’s Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter:

http://web.me.com/michaelokuda/michael_okuda/Blog/Entries/2009/11/9_YES%2C_WE_REALLY_DID_IT.html

Little by little, over the next few decades, we can expect more photos, and not just from NASA, that prove those landings weren't faked.
 
I just love that the footprints are still there. Well, they would be. Obviously. But nevertheless, I love it.

:D
 
LCARS 24 said:
Little by little, over the next few decades, we can expect more photos, and not just from NASA, that prove those landings weren't faked.
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It's already been "proven." Anyone with doubts obviously has no regard for any sort of evidence.
 
I am of the position that I can not confirm or deny that the landing did or didn't occur as most believe it did.

For the longest time we've been told there were never any shots of the landing site because cameras wern't of a high enough quality to show the landing site. You'd think that if we can have something such as Google Earth being so detailed, one would be able to lob a satellite around the moon to capture similar images..... then there wouldn't be any talk of "Better quality images to come" and there wouldn't be any need to revolve around such a bland photo shot of some zoomed in pixels that appear to be the shape of the lander and foot prints.

Like I said, I'm not saying it never happened, I'm just saying that I'm still waiting for a decent shot of the location that I couldn't personally find issues with.... and since I'm a devil's advocate kinda guy and very paticular about photography and what people claim to see in them, I don't think a better shot would be that much to ask for.

Right now all I see is a cluster of white pixels that appear to be the shape of the lander and some darker pixels that may or may not be footprints..... if one wanted to approach this in an unbiased fashion, there is not enough evidence in these photos to prove one way or another at this time...... but it is a step in the right direction.
 
Great Mambo Chicken said:
The Soviets would have quickly cried foul back in the day. The Moon landing hoax theorists are paranoid douchebags.
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One of my tests for intelligence is whether the person I'm talking to thinks we didn't really go to the moon. If they think we didn't, I write them off as idiots.
 
AJBryant said:
Great Mambo Chicken said:
The Soviets would have quickly cried foul back in the day. The Moon landing hoax theorists are paranoid douchebags.
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One of my tests for intelligence is whether the person I'm talking to thinks we didn't really go to the moon. If they think we didn't, I write them off as idiots.
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As well you should.

Anyone who questions the coolest thing that humans have ever done are basically bad people.
 
Great Mambo Chicken said:
Where's Buzz Aldrin and his fists of steel when you need them?
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Shazam! said:
AJBryant said:
Great Mambo Chicken said:
The Soviets would have quickly cried foul back in the day. The Moon landing hoax theorists are paranoid douchebags.
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One of my tests for intelligence is whether the person I'm talking to thinks we didn't really go to the moon. If they think we didn't, I write them off as idiots.
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As well you should.

Anyone who questions the coolest thing that humans have ever done are basically bad people.
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So whatever happened to the scientific method of allowing something to be openly challenged? If it's true, it all happened, and there's all sorts of evidence supporting it, then where is the logic in getting angry, upset or insulting those who challenge or ask questions about it?

I'm just playing devil's advocate here for schnits and sniggles, but this topic to me always felt a lot like the whole "Global Warmongering" thing.... where we have all sorts of scientific experts and their followers claiming their views are the right views and anybody who challenges their views are idiots or out to support the oil companies.......

.... sounds like science is turning into a religion if you ask me, esspecially when you have a large number of other scientists who don't agree and have their own numbers and evidence to back up their claims..... but are ignored or trivialized.

Whatever happened to challenging something, even if it's the popular belief?

If whatever it is we're talking about is indeed factually true and there's plenty of evidence backing it up to the point where people have to be idiots not to believe them, then what's the worry? Let them challenge, answer their questions and prove the point.

The whole mentality of "My view is right and you have to be stupid to think otherwise" doesn't solve anything and only creates a larger, messier debate then what could have originally taken place.

People who question this (haven't seen many yet mind you) and get responses like them needing Buzz to punch them out simply because you don't agree with their position isn't very mature and certainly doesn't help the argument that humans did land on the moon.

God exists and if you don't agree, then we'll burn you at the stake.

We landed on the moon and if you don't agree, you're an idiot and should be physically punished.

Very scientific & mature way to try and win an argument.
 
Praxius said:
So whatever happened to the scientific method of allowing something to be openly challenged? If it's true, it all happened, and there's all sorts of evidence supporting it, then where is the logic in getting angry, upset or insulting those who challenge or ask questions about it?
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Because it is true, it did happen, and there is all sorts of evidence supporting it.
 
Praxius said:
So whatever happened to the scientific method of allowing something to be openly challenged? If it's true, it all happened, and there's all sorts of evidence supporting it, then where is the logic in getting angry, upset or insulting those who challenge or ask questions about it?
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It may not be logical but those can be natural reaction for some folks when a very vocal minority (not implying you personally) tries to piss all over the greatest accomplishment of the human race and claim that all of the hard work done by thousands of people - not only in the U.S. but around the world - was a total lie.

You may feel that you cannot confirm the events of the Apollo Program but many, many others have. A great place to go for debunking conspiracy theories with more than enough supporting evidence (as well as being an awesome launching point for researching Apollo technology) is http://www.clavius.org

The Bad Astronomer's debunking of the 2001 Fox special at http://www.badastronomy.com/bad/tv/foxapollo.html was where I first learned that there even were conspiracy theories and the science behind proving their uneducated assumptions and outright lies as false.

Or if you feel the need to express concerns and ask questions of real engineers, scientists, and other highly knowledgeable folks then you can go to the Conspiracy Theories forum at the Universe Today & Bad Astronomy Bulletin Board at http://www.bautforum.com/conspiracy-theories/

Cheers
 
Praxius said:
Shazam! said:
AJBryant said:
One of my tests for intelligence is whether the person I'm talking to thinks we didn't really go to the moon. If they think we didn't, I write them off as idiots.
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As well you should.

Anyone who questions the coolest thing that humans have ever done are basically bad people.
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So whatever happened to the scientific method of allowing something to be openly challenged?
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It's alive and well, thank you.

This particular question doesn't require a whole lot of critical thinking.

There are entire nations that are not on the best terms with the United States. Countries like China and Russia who have both launched people into space and who have considerable scientific resources at their disposal. They would LOVE to embarrass and discredit the US by exposing the moon landings as a hoax. Do you have any idea what such a revelation would do to the credibility and respect of the USA in the world community? Yet there is not a peep out of ANY country calling the USA out on faking the moon landings.

You want the scientific method? Why don't YOU use it to explain the fact that nobody takes the idiotic conspiracy "theories" seriously except jackasses without any kind of credibility. Please explain why not even world powers with way more resources than you - powers who have a vested interested in discrediting the USA - give the slightest bit of credibility to this crap. I await your reasoned, logical, scientific answer to this burning question.
 
People who think we faked the moon landing are foolish people with their head in the sand.

There's all kinds of photigraphic, video, and physical evidence (in samples brought back), the accounts of those who worked on the project (I don't buy that any group of people could keep such a thing under wraps for 40 years when other government entities couldn't keep breaking into an office secret) and other huge pieces of evidence. All pointing to it happening.

Deniers, what do they have? "Uhhh. They may have faked it."

Then there's the out-right hoaxers who shout about the Van Allen Belt and hairs they see on second-printings of photographs, moving flags, and other stuff that is all explained away with simple logic and common sense.

We landed on the moon. Face it, embrace it, and marvel at it.

Show me some concrete, solid, proof they didn't other than "pictures can be faked" and I'll eat my own hat.
 
Praxius said:
Like I said, I'm not saying it never happened, I'm just saying that I'm still waiting for a decent shot of the location that I couldn't personally find issues with.... and since I'm a devil's advocate kinda guy and very paticular about photography and what people claim to see in them, I don't think a better shot would be that much to ask for.
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You don't need photography to prove that the moon landings happened.

The laser reflectors that the astronauts set up are sufficient. Because if the astronauts didn't put them there, then how did they get there? :)
 
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