Indiana sucks so hard I had to move to New Jersey for work. 
Should people be entitled to....
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Amaris
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Indiana sucks so hard I had to move to New Jersey for work.
Wow, that IS bad.
J.
You knowest not who you troll.
I think the underlying concern is that there would be a certain segment that would always seek the benefits, choosing not to work.
And an underlying problem is, "job creation" it politician speak often means McDonald's and Wal-Mart. It does little to help people who just lost a job in mid-career somewhere, and as J. pointed out, you pretty much have to lie to get those jobs. They don't want people with experience and ability, they want raw, dumb clay to make burgers and say "Thank you for shopping at Wal-mart".
Yeah, probably. I don't care if half the people are just being lazy and cheating the system, because that still means that the other half are genuine job-seekers who probably have bills to pay and families to feed. It would be better if we could get rid of the scroungers and pay the genuine cases more, but human nature rules that out.
Well yes, I don't think anyone would claim there wouldn't be such people. But
a) Unemployment isn't fun; it's not cocktail parties by the hotel pool, it's just scraping by.
and more importantly,
b) I reject wholeheartedly the concept that a system designed to help the unfortunate and needy should be curtailed or removed because it is abused by a minority. People abuse everything, this argument could be used to get rid of, well, everything. No more schools, because kids are disruptive and rude; no more roads because people drink drive, speed and cause crashes; no more fire service because some people make prank calls. No more FAA because it encourages some to stage stunts with balloons.
TheLonelySquire
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Fair enough, but we have public assistance to help people who exhaust unemployment. I understand this is an extreme economic time but at some point it should end.
***Also, in some states unemployment pays 500+ a week. Now, I couldn't live on that but some people could.***
Exactly. I hate this whole, "well, people abuse it!" argument. It doesn't matter. Catch the people abusing it and kick them off. Don't punish everyone else by making it more difficult to get, or curtail it in the name of "fighting waste." It is almost invariably used as a way of attacking the programs themselves to foster their elimination. Ronald Reagan used his "welfare queen" caricature--who didn't exist, by the way--not because he wanted to improve the welfare system to cut abuse, but because he hated welfare and wanted to eliminate it.
Sure, we should always be vigilant to fight fraud and abuse. That is completely beside the point of whether we should help people in the first place, though, yet the two are always put hand-in-hand by those who oppose the programs.
If you were unemployed, you'd have to live on it. Not that many options.
TheLonelySquire
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That's why I do whatever needs to be done not to be in that position.
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Wow, I could live well on $500 a week!
I pull in $230 a week, and that pays for my medications.
J.
Bully for you. However IF you were ever in that position, your previous attempts to avoid that would be for naught.
Seriously. I would love to be making $500 a week.
Anyone, bar no-one, can end up unemployed; it is neither impossible nor, for many, even that remote a possibility. Nor do you (usually) get there by being lazy, having poor job performance, or in fact much to do with you personally at all. Often you find yourself laid off because your employer is cost cutting and using the system of 'cut the most expensive employees' or the 'last one in, first one out' approach. Neither of which are really much to do with your approach to work at all.
Why, is unemployment usually 0%?
TheLonelySquire
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Oh, anyone could lose a job. No doubt about it. I have deep sympathy for everyone who is legitimately seeking work. I just think adults are ultimately responsible for themselves.
That's a nice thought, and to some degree I would agree with you, however there is virtually no one who works for a living who could honestly afford to be out of work for a year or more. You can't just get the first job that comes along--a lot of places flat-out won't hire you if you're overqualified. I mean, what're you supposed to do, sling dope if that's what it takes to make ends meet?
Indeed - I was rejected from McDonalds during my gap between school and college because I had too good grades (their actual reason they gave) and 'would find the work boring'.
Yes, forsooth! I doth declare that these frozen peas have expired. Alas, poor Steve...off to yon storage locker for I must inform the Manager of the Shift that befalls the Night of this grand travesty!Personally, I found the supermarket work I did get to be both intellectually stimulating and of great interest.
Reasons I've been denied jobs in the past:
-- Overqualfied, afraid I was going to bolt when a better paying gig came along.
-- Worked for their competitor, how do they know I'm going to be a corporate spy. I left Regal and a bit over a year later applied for a part-time weekend usher job at a Carmike much closer to home.
-- Based on my resume, I might get their (the interviewer's) job. The supervisor giving the interview was on probation and was looking for a-- in her words-- "total fuck up" so that the company would keep her.
-- Married to a immigrant, and they're a "American" company and don't support "Green card marriages". That one was a interview I got through a business contact who had a friend that needed database and website manager. We were chit chatting about the company, and he started talking about this and that and the topic came up. Should have told him I was trying to ditch my US citizenship, he would have had a heart attack.
-- A common one in the last 5 years, my MS. Which has shown up as "we don't want you flipping out on the clock" to "We don't need a retard on the clock" to "What happens if you drop dead on the job?" and my favorite "I don't want to catch your disease."
I have since took to carrying a hidden pocket recorder to all job interviews and contract bids. Right now though, it's mostly "We'd love you hire you, but we're cutting hours" or "This location is closing in <insert time frame> and we don't need cashiers we need a tear down crew"
-- Overqualfied, afraid I was going to bolt when a better paying gig came along.
-- Worked for their competitor, how do they know I'm going to be a corporate spy. I left Regal and a bit over a year later applied for a part-time weekend usher job at a Carmike much closer to home.
-- Based on my resume, I might get their (the interviewer's) job. The supervisor giving the interview was on probation and was looking for a-- in her words-- "total fuck up" so that the company would keep her.
-- Married to a immigrant, and they're a "American" company and don't support "Green card marriages". That one was a interview I got through a business contact who had a friend that needed database and website manager. We were chit chatting about the company, and he started talking about this and that and the topic came up. Should have told him I was trying to ditch my US citizenship, he would have had a heart attack.
-- A common one in the last 5 years, my MS. Which has shown up as "we don't want you flipping out on the clock" to "We don't need a retard on the clock" to "What happens if you drop dead on the job?" and my favorite "I don't want to catch your disease."
I have since took to carrying a hidden pocket recorder to all job interviews and contract bids. Right now though, it's mostly "We'd love you hire you, but we're cutting hours" or "This location is closing in <insert time frame> and we don't need cashiers we need a tear down crew"
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