Problem is speed aka lightyears. The Romulans would of had ages to get away if it was a star outside there system but the film makes you believe it was there own star. I stilll prefer the subspace thing that I posted a while back.
The supernova that destroyed Romulus
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Problem is speed aka lightyears. The Romulans would of had ages to get away if it was a star outside there system but the film makes you believe it was there own star. I stilll prefer the subspace thing that I posted a while back.
Gamma ray bursts, while deadly to nearby star systems, don't shatter planets.
They just toast the planets like nice marshmallows over a nice camp fire!
Depends how close and even then only one side of the planet would be affected right ? assuming the O Zone layer is broken not just delepted to an extent.
either way bring some suncream FACTOR HOT.
Well, they are already kinda greenish, so...
Gamma Ray Burst are usually very short, around a few seconds.
Remind me again, why should we suppose the supernova happened outside the Romulan home system? (Apart from the comic books, that is.)
It'd seem perfectly plausible for the Romulan home star to have gone kaboom, if only movie dialogue is considered, right?
Timo Saloniemi
It'd seem perfectly plausible for the Romulan home star to have gone kaboom, if only movie dialogue is considered, right?
Timo Saloniemi
Becuase turning Romulus's sun into a blackhole wouldn't save the planet (What Spock was trying to do), it would destroy the planet (Which Spock was trying to prevent).
Yes, you are right. I tend to accept the comic book in the continuity because it was written by the same staff of the movie, but technically speaking you are right.
Not necessarily. If you somehow collapse our sun in a black hole with same mass, it will not have any effect on our planet's orbit or integrity. We will not feel any change. Obviously, laking the sun illumination the biosphere will be frozen in a matter of hours, but the planet would not be harmed.
Something that's just occured to me: Why did the Romulans need the red matter in the first place? It's been stated in episodes of TNG that Romulans use artificial singularities all the time to power the engines of their ships!:
http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Artificial_quantum_singularity
http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Artificial_quantum_singularity
Unless they build really BIG artificial singularities, they probably aren't stable enough to grow into proper black holes...
Anyway, was the red matter intended to turn the star into a black hole? Or was it intended to stop the star from going kaboom? Outside the comic world, I mean. Did the movie make a mention of what was supposed to happen?
Timo Saloniemi
This part of the film was very poorly explained (along with why a mining platform would look like a giant spidery monstrosity) and the only really cringeworthy moment for me.
My interpretation of the "red matter treatment" of the star was that it was supposed to remove the star to prevent the supernova, but he got there too late. How his ship could escape without sufficient time to evacuate Romulus is a complete mystery to me. It's the biggest plot hole in the film and given too cursory an explanation. I'd have preferred "random wacky Romulan angry at Spock over Reunification" than this goofy "supernova destroys Romulus" thing...
My interpretation of the "red matter treatment" of the star was that it was supposed to remove the star to prevent the supernova, but he got there too late. How his ship could escape without sufficient time to evacuate Romulus is a complete mystery to me. It's the biggest plot hole in the film and given too cursory an explanation. I'd have preferred "random wacky Romulan angry at Spock over Reunification" than this goofy "supernova destroys Romulus" thing...
Again from the comics, but the word is that he could not. It was a one-way ticket and he knew it.
Sure, but this was supposed to be a very strange supernova. Hell, maybe the supernova fired a gamma ray burst through the Romulan sun, and that in turn created a solar flare or made that star go nova, which in turn destroyed Romulus.
Well, making the sun go dark, even if the planet doesn't get sucked into the black hole, will make Romulus a pretty unappealing piece of real-estate.
You know, that is a very interesting thought. Even given some subspatial mumbo-jumbo for the Hobus star to accommodate for the time-scale of the explosion, the idea that the actual shockwave from the supernova would destroy entire planets in different star systems and threaten the whole galaxy stretch credibility almost to the point of scientific ridicule.
On the other hand, we can imagine the Hobus explosion releasing (for whatever reason) a "subspace blast", which would turn every star it eventually reaches into a nova. This way, we can salvage the peculiarity of the Hobus star, the time-scale of the phenomenon, the fact that it is a threat to the entire galaxy, and the actual destruction of the planet Romulus.
Too bad nothing of this is supported in the movie or the comic, of course.
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