Superman and Batman to join forces with Islamic superheroes

[Misfit Toy]

Oh good! Finally the long-awaited team up with JihadBoy and SuicideGirl!

With their I.R.E. (Improvised Roadside Explosives) Organization they are sure to be an asset to the Dynamic Duo and purge all infidel criminals from the holy lands...and beyond!

Complications arise when JihadBoy and SuicideGirl discover that the Dynamic Duo must be beheaded with a dull butter knife -- as they too are infidels.

Once again, the work is intended for people who don't think the way you do. I would hope that it reaches a far larger audience than that.

 

[Christopher]

Al-Qaeda's definition of jihad is a corruption and violation of its true meaning in Islamic doctrine. Jihad is the struggle to defend Islam against that which threatens it from inside (e.g. doubt, anger, selfishness, folly) and outside. It's meant to be a purely defensive act. The only way al-Qaeda gets away with calling its acts jihad is by twisting the truth to pretend they're acts of self-defense, defining their victims as aggressors, and ignoring the Qur'an's unambiguous prohibition against killing noncombatants, women, and children. Al-Qaeda does not define Islam, it corrupts it. Osama bin Laden is not a legitimate Muslim cleric; his credentials are falsified. He has no more authority to declare jihad than I do to declare war on Switzerland.

And Americans who embrace the bigoted lie that all Muslims are evil are just playing into the terrorists' hands, making it easier for them to convince their followers that we're a dangerous enemy trying to destroy them. The kind of anti-Muslim hate speech I'm hearing here just gives al-Qaeda what it wants.

 

[barnaclelapse]

Doubtful. It's just a product made for people who don't feel the same way you do. There's nothing wrong with that, is there?

There may be, there may NOT be. The timing and the hoopla seem a bit fishy to me. A lot will depend on how it's written I suppose. Will these "good Muslem heroes" be shown cleaning house on Talibans and Al-Qs or will this be a "learning experince" puff job where the "westerners" learn that "everthing they (think) they know about Muslems is wrong"?

Probably a combination of both.

Which is perhaps the right thing.

The most important thing tho' is that comics starring the heroes I like will be read by a larger world audience. I feel a little depressed at seeing all the manga-love (not that there's anything wrong with it) in relation to comics-love at the neighborhood B&N.

Agreed.

I see absolutely nothing wrong with this, and it sounds to me like care is being taken to ensure that it's actually a good story.

 

[USS Mariner]

Oh good! Finally the long-awaited team up with JihadBoy and SuicideGirl!

With their I.R.E. (Improvised Roadside Explosives) Organization they are sure to be an asset to the Dynamic Duo and purge all infidel criminals from the holy lands...and beyond!

Complications arise when JihadBoy and SuicideGirl discover that the Dynamic Duo must be beheaded with a dull butter knife -- as they too are infidels.

This is incredibly racist, but hilarious.

 

[darkwing_duck1]

Again, either way, it's made for people who don't think like you do. Why MUST it conform to your philosophy in order to be "right"? Don't you support free enterprise?

I didn't say it shouldn't be published. I said I was unimpressed by it.

You said that there may be something "wrong". You suggested that undue influence was brought to bear in order to get it published. You said it "smacks of PC PR." I'm sure you meant that it should be published.

They have every right to publish it.

I have every right to question their motives for doing so.

No more, no less.

 

[Stone_Cold_Sisko]

These comics (the99) already exist in the middle east and are popular there. So instead of asking rhetorical questions used as excuses to shoot out your political views on muslims, the way "left/right" loonies on political forums do and turn every sane person away, just do some research on them.

 

[darkwing_duck1]

darkwing_duck1

Ok see this is what I was talking about. You don't want "your" heroes changed to reflect the world. I think you said create your own heroes.

And I stand by that. Ethnic heroes already exist (John Stewart, Blade, Storm, Forge, Bishop, Luke Cage, Shang Chi, Misty Knight, et al). You don't need to radically alter existing heroes to suit some PC notion of "representation".

So when someone does create their own heroes to fight along side Superman and Batman you say it smacks of PC. Yeah I don't any problem with you way of thinking at all.

I have no problem with Muslem/Arab heroes. Several already exist in the MU. My initial impression of THIS project was that it was a Captain Planet style polemic "puff piece".

So good sir, what exactly would you like to be done for those of us who want to see stories told from a different POV.

I would like to see an honest and unflinching look at the implications of such characters.

One example of a story involving an Arab ethnic hero that I thought was particularly well told was the confrontation between Sabra and Batal (the Syrian Super Soldier) in New Warriors 58-59.

On the flip side, Heaven's Fist (a terrorist team) appeared in the pages of Stormwatch back in the late 90s. Again, an unflinching look at what a combination of superpowers and dangerously radical beleif is capable of.

Stormwatch, by the way, had all MANNER of ethnic characters in it's ranks, INCLUDING Muslems (Damascus, for example).

 

[Nerys Myk]

darkwing_duck1

Ok see this is what I was talking about. You don't want "your" heroes changed to reflect the world. I think you said create your own heroes.

And I stand by that. Ethnic heroes already exist (John Stewart, Blade, Storm, Forge, Bishop, Luke Cage, Shang Chi, Misty Knight, et al). You don't need to radically alter existing heroes to suit some PC notion of "representation".

So when someone does create their own heroes to fight along side Superman and Batman you say it smacks of PC. Yeah I don't any problem with you way of thinking at all.

I have no problem with Muslem/Arab heroes. Several already exist in the MU. My initial impression of THIS project was that it was a Captain Planet style polemic "puff piece".

So good sir, what exactly would you like to be done for those of us who want to see stories told from a different POV.

I would like to see an honest and unflinching look at the implications of such characters.

One example of a story involving an Arab ethnic hero that I thought was particularly well told was the confrontation between Sabra and Batal (the Syrian Super Soldier) in New Warriors 58-59.

On the flip side, Heaven's Fist (a terrorist team) appeared in the pages of Stormwatch back in the late 90s. Again, an unflinching look at what a combination of superpowers and dangerously radical beleif is capable of.

Stormwatch, by the way, had all MANNER of ethnic characters in it's ranks, INCLUDING Muslems (Damascus, for example).

Muslem??? Is that on purpose?

Why an "unflinching look"? Would you want an unfliching look at a "combination of superpowers and dangerously radical beleif" if said "beleif" was a radical form of Christianity?

 

[Misfit Toy]

Ethnic heroes already exist (John Stewart, Blade, Storm, Forge, Bishop, Luke Cage, Shang Chi, Misty Knight, et al). You don't need to radically alter existing heroes to suit some PC notion of "representation".

So you don't want "white" heroes interacting with other heroes?? WTF are you saying here?

 

[Nerys Myk]

Ethnic heroes already exist (John Stewart, Blade, Storm, Forge, Bishop, Luke Cage, Shang Chi, Misty Knight, et al). You don't need to radically alter existing heroes to suit some PC notion of "representation".

So you don't want "white" heroes interacting with other heroes?? WTF are you saying here?

He's saying, we got enough of those heroes and dont make any white heroes black.

Not sure what that has to do with this topic.

 

[Galactus]

Ethnic heroes already exist (John Stewart, Blade, Storm, Forge, Bishop, Luke Cage, Shang Chi, Misty Knight, et al). You don't need to radically alter existing heroes to suit some PC notion of "representation".

So you don't want "white" heroes interacting with other heroes?? WTF are you saying here?

He's saying, we got enough of those heroes and dont make any white heroes black.

Not sure what that has to do with this topic.

That is my fault. I was just pointing out how what he said in my thread about diversity in the new world does not match what he said in this thread.

And yes it sounds like you both have it exactly right.

 

[darkwing_duck1]

darkwing_duck1

Ok see this is what I was talking about. You don't want "your" heroes changed to reflect the world. I think you said create your own heroes.

And I stand by that. Ethnic heroes already exist (John Stewart, Blade, Storm, Forge, Bishop, Luke Cage, Shang Chi, Misty Knight, et al). You don't need to radically alter existing heroes to suit some PC notion of "representation".



I have no problem with Muslem/Arab heroes. Several already exist in the MU. My initial impression of THIS project was that it was a Captain Planet style polemic "puff piece".

So good sir, what exactly would you like to be done for those of us who want to see stories told from a different POV.

I would like to see an honest and unflinching look at the implications of such characters.

One example of a story involving an Arab ethnic hero that I thought was particularly well told was the confrontation between Sabra and Batal (the Syrian Super Soldier) in New Warriors 58-59.

On the flip side, Heaven's Fist (a terrorist team) appeared in the pages of Stormwatch back in the late 90s. Again, an unflinching look at what a combination of superpowers and dangerously radical beleif is capable of.

Stormwatch, by the way, had all MANNER of ethnic characters in it's ranks, INCLUDING Muslems (Damascus, for example).

Muslem??? Is that on purpose?

Why an "unflinching look"? Would you want an unfliching look at a "combination of superpowers and dangerously radical beleif" if said "beleif" was a radical form of Christianity?

Been done.

 

[darkwing_duck1]

Ethnic heroes already exist (John Stewart, Blade, Storm, Forge, Bishop, Luke Cage, Shang Chi, Misty Knight, et al). You don't need to radically alter existing heroes to suit some PC notion of "representation".

So you don't want "white" heroes interacting with other heroes?? WTF are you saying here?

This is actually a continuation of a debate from another thread, and a bit OT for this one.. Galactus maintains that it is perfectly acceptable to redefine existing characters "to suit modern tastes" by changing things like their race, gender, sexual preference, et al for no other reason than to increase "minority representation" in comics. That is to say, for example: Superman depicted as a black man, or Bruce Wayne as a homosexual, when they have NEVER been so depicted.

I maintain that (for example) if you want a black, lesbian atheist character then you should go create a new character to be one. Don't take the Scarlet Witch and make HER a black lesbian atheist just so there is one represented.

Ethnic heroes already exist (John Stewart, Blade, Storm, Forge, Bishop, Luke Cage, Shang Chi, Misty Knight, et al). You don't need to radically alter existing heroes to suit some PC notion of "representation".

So you don't want "white" heroes interacting with other heroes?? WTF are you saying here?

He's saying, we got enough of those heroes and dont make any white heroes black.

Not sure what that has to do with this topic.

See above...

At any rate, this is OT for this thread...moving on...

 

[Nerys Myk]

And I stand by that. Ethnic heroes already exist (John Stewart, Blade, Storm, Forge, Bishop, Luke Cage, Shang Chi, Misty Knight, et al). You don't need to radically alter existing heroes to suit some PC notion of "representation".



I have no problem with Muslem/Arab heroes. Several already exist in the MU. My initial impression of THIS project was that it was a Captain Planet style polemic "puff piece".



I would like to see an honest and unflinching look at the implications of such characters.

One example of a story involving an Arab ethnic hero that I thought was particularly well told was the confrontation between Sabra and Batal (the Syrian Super Soldier) in New Warriors 58-59.

On the flip side, Heaven's Fist (a terrorist team) appeared in the pages of Stormwatch back in the late 90s. Again, an unflinching look at what a combination of superpowers and dangerously radical beleif is capable of.

Stormwatch, by the way, had all MANNER of ethnic characters in it's ranks, INCLUDING Muslems (Damascus, for example).

Muslem??? Is that on purpose?

Why an "unflinching look"? Would you want an unfliching look at a "combination of superpowers and dangerously radical beleif" if said "beleif" was a radical form of Christianity?

Been done.

Has it? Refresh my memory. Though IIRC, bad "Muslims" with Superpowers has been done too. I think the Suicide Squad fought such a team in the 80s.

Ethnic heroes already exist (John Stewart, Blade, Storm, Forge, Bishop, Luke Cage, Shang Chi, Misty Knight, et al). You don't need to radically alter existing heroes to suit some PC notion of "representation".

So you don't want "white" heroes interacting with other heroes?? WTF are you saying here?

This is actually a continuation of a debate from another thread, and a bit OT for this one.. Galactus maintains that it is perfectly acceptable to redefine existing characters "to suit modern tastes" by changing things like their race, gender, sexual preference, et al for no other reason than to increase "minority representation" in comics. That is to say, for example: Superman depicted as a black man, or Bruce Wayne as a homosexual, when they have NEVER been so depicted.

I maintain that (for example) if you want a black, lesbian atheist character then you should go create a new character to be one. Don't take the Scarlet Witch and make HER a black lesbian atheist just so there is one represented.

So you don't want "white" heroes interacting with other heroes?? WTF are you saying here?

He's saying, we got enough of those heroes and dont make any white heroes black.

Not sure what that has to do with this topic.

See above...

At any rate, this is OT for this thread...moving on...

Still not seeing the connection. None of the 99 are old heroes with minority faces.

Do you object to John Stewert as Green Lantern or Michael Holt as Mister Terrific? Would a black Superman or a Gay Bruce Wayne be any different than a Brunette "Green Lantern" replacing a Blond "Green Lantern" or a 6 foot "Atom" replacing a 5 foot "Atom'? How about an Alien "Hawkman" replacing a human one?

 

[QuasarVM]

I maintain that (for example) if you want a black, lesbian atheist character then you should go create a new character to be one. Don't take the Scarlet Witch and make HER a black lesbian atheist just so there is one represented.

Something to be said for that approach...and here -- I'll say it (satirically):

Personally, I'm looking forward to AC/DC Comics' The New Adventures of CaptainCarpetMuncher, The Human Flamer and AtheistAvenger. CaptainCarpetMuncher, AbortionGirl and LesbianLad struggle against the tyranny of KonservativeKreep -- whose appearance and demeanor is a strange (?) hybrid of Dick Cheney and Rush Limbaugh! Issue number one details their all-important origin story and first mission as kontroversial krimestoppers and includes a special appearance by President Barack Hussein Obama when he sends them forth on their mission of hope and change -- and to take on KonservativeKreep's brother KonstitutionKreep (who looks strangely like Newt (gasp!) Gingrich!). Rumour has it that if these are successful, AC/DC comics will introduce two new titles based on two new boundary-busting characters -- The Purple Polygamist and BestialityBoy (with his super-dog sidekick, Humperdink).

You know sales for these will be on fire!

Everybody who is anybody will want the latest issues issue to see them do battle with a rogues gallery of controversial arch villains -- Kristi Hannity (and her alter ego Sarah Palin), Morality Maiden (who looks strangely like former Miss California contestant, Carrie Prejean), Ethics Man, Values Vixen (who looks strangely like Sarah Palin and yet ISN'T because she's Kristi Hannitys' alter ego -- duh.) and The Traditional Triad (Or "Triple T"; a deadly trio whose heinous mission is the rigourous preservation of traditional American values wherever they may survive. Alter egos Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh and Michael Savage struggle to evade the mainstream media forces and it's superhero leaders The Human Flamer and AtheistAvenger!)!

These are sure to keep online geeks embroiled in heated (flaming?) discussion all over the internet -- and beyond!

In fact, rumours of a MOVIE based on The Adventures of Captain Carpet Muncher, Human Flamer and AtheistAvenger are running rampant! These include casting rumors as well. It is rumored that Rosie McDonald (who is alledgedly pursuing a rapid weight loss plan to be able to fit into the skin-tight leather costume; she wants to get back into Betty Rubble shape!) will play Captain Carpet Muncher although Anne Heche is pulling a Sean Young (when she desparately pursued the role of Cat Woman in Batman Returns!) and has even shown up IN COSTUME at casting sessions.

Human Flamer is alledgedly being played either by David Hyde Pierce or George Takei...outcome TBA.

According to rumour, Brad Pitt (who recently admitted is truly IS an atheist/agnostic!) has the role of AtheistAvenger locked up. When his buddy, Sean Penn found out about the film, he alledgedly demanded that the writers include a new character -- SeditionMan -- and that HE be cast in the role!

Rumours are running rampant! Other casting TBD. The film is rumoured to be released on December 12 2012 and expected to be a cataclysmic hit at the box office.

 

[darkwing_duck1]

Muslem??? Is that on purpose?

Why an "unflinching look"? Would you want an unfliching look at a "combination of superpowers and dangerously radical beleif" if said "beleif" was a radical form of Christianity?

Been done.

Has it? Refresh my memory.

Most recently with Magdalena, whose entire origin turned out to be a lie by the Catholic Church. The old Image stable had loads of "Christian" groups and characters of dubious fidelity to Christian standards.

For a larger list of "Christian" villains, go here:

http://www.comicbookreligion.com/?start=600&IsVillain=1

start with records 601-650 and go from there.

Do you object to John Stewert as Green Lantern or Michael Holt as Mister Terrific? Would a black Superman or a Gay Bruce Wayne be any different than a Brunette "Green Lantern" replacing a Blond "Green Lantern" or a 6 foot "Atom" replacing a 5 foot "Atom'? How about an Alien "Hawkman" replacing a human one?

Not what we're talking about...we're talking about re-engineering EXISTING characters, not replacements with the same name.

 

[darkwing_duck1]

Something to be said for that approach...and here -- I'll say it:

Personally, I'm looking forward to AC/DC Comics' The New Adventures of CaptainCarpetMuncher, The Human Flamer and AtheistAvenger. CaptainCarpetMuncher, AbortionGirl and LesbianLad struggle against the tyranny of KonservativeKreep -- whose appearance is a strange hybrid of Dick Cheney and Rush Limbaugh! Issue number one details their first mission as kontroversial krimestoppers and includes a special appearance by President Barack Hussein Obama when he sends them forth on their mission of hope and change. Rumour has it that if these are successful, AC/DC comics will introduce two new titles based on two new boundary-pushing characters -- The Purple Polygamist and BestialityBoy.

You know sales for these will be on fire!

Everybody who is anybody will want the latest issues issue to see them do battle with a rogues gallery of controversial arch villains -- Kristi Hannity (and her alter ego Sarah Palin), Morality Maiden, Ethics Man, Values Vixen and the Traditional Triad (a deadly trio whose heinous mission is the rigourous preservation of traditional American values wherever they may survive. Alter egos Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh and Michael Savage struggle to evade the mainstream media forces and it's superhero leaders The Human Flamer and AtheistAvenger!)!

These are sure to keep online geeks embroiled in heated discussion all over the internet -- and beyond!

Whoever you are, you aren't helping...GO AWAY!

 

[QuasarVM]

Whoever you are, you aren't helping...GO AWAY!

1. I'm not trying to "help", and...
2. NO!

 

[QuasarVM]

Oh good! Finally the long-awaited team up with JihadBoy and SuicideGirl!

With their I.R.E. (Improvised Roadside Explosives) Organization they are sure to be an asset to the Dynamic Duo and purge all infidel criminals from the holy lands...and beyond!

Complications arise when JihadBoy and SuicideGirl discover that the Dynamic Duo must be beheaded with a dull butter knife -- as they too are infidels.

This is incredibly racist, but hilarious.

Heheehehheh!!! Anything for a laugh.

 

[Misfit Toy]

Ethnic heroes already exist (John Stewart, Blade, Storm, Forge, Bishop, Luke Cage, Shang Chi, Misty Knight, et al). You don't need to radically alter existing heroes to suit some PC notion of "representation".

So you don't want "white" heroes interacting with other heroes?? WTF are you saying here?

This is actually a continuation of a debate from another thread, and a bit OT for this one.. Galactus maintains that it is perfectly acceptable to redefine existing characters "to suit modern tastes" by changing things like their race, gender, sexual preference, et al for no other reason than to increase "minority representation" in comics. That is to say, for example: Superman depicted as a black man, or Bruce Wayne as a homosexual, when they have NEVER been so depicted.

I maintain that (for example) if you want a black, lesbian atheist character then you should go create a new character to be one. Don't take the Scarlet Witch and make HER a black lesbian atheist just so there is one represented.

Thanks for the clarification. For the record, unless you're talking about an "Elseworlds" situation, I agree with your stance on the matter.