It's not canon, but who cares? That's my take.
This is always the most reasonable attitude.
We just got the Animated series........
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This is always the most reasonable attitude.
"Enterprise" is as much canon as "Voyager" or any other Trek series, regardless of whether some fans like to think so or not.
Oh, and so is Abrams's Star Trek.
Oh, and so is Abrams's Star Trek.
Slaver Weapon was cool. Yesteryear is still the best one at this point, although I have a lot more to see...
"Enterprise" is as much canon as "Voyager" or any other Trek series, regardless of whether some fans like to think so or not.
Oh, and so is Abrams's Star Trek.
Sorry, Dennis. 'Canon' isn't what fans like to make of it, it's just the set of rules that each series gets to deal with while it's being made. There's never really been a 'canon' that encompasses all things Trek.
That's not a statement of quality, mind you, just how canon is handled.
One Of Our Planets Is Missing & The Infinite Vulcan were both excellent!
AND THEY ARE BOTH CANNON- DEAL WITH IT!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
AND THEY ARE BOTH CANNON- DEAL WITH IT!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
What exactly did they incorporate from "Yesteryear?"
The "other boys tormenting Spock" by saying that he wasn't really Vulcan is actually from the TOS episode by the same author, "Journey To Babel." That it was dramatized in the animated episode doesn't make the sequence original to it.
Calm yourself, Doctor.
Looking at these posts, it's evident which poster needs to "calm" himself: and his handle ain't Dennis.
I'm 52, and have never ever seen a single TAS episode. But, thanks to you, for $15, hopefully i will be watching later today (am now on a mission from god to get to wallyworld today).
i never imagined that TAS could be any good, but after being on this board for a relatively short time and seeing how so many people LOVE TAS, i am gonna get me some!
Thanks for the heads-up CHRISISALL!!
i never imagined that TAS could be any good, but after being on this board for a relatively short time and seeing how so many people LOVE TAS, i am gonna get me some!
Thanks for the heads-up CHRISISALL!!
Gene Roddenberry decided, when they got the "green light" for TNG as I recall, that TAS was "non-canon." I think it was more of an ego thing than anything else... embarrassment at having done a "cartoon."
The show is really pretty good. The best way to think of it is that it's a "stylized representation" of some "real" Trekkian events. That way, you can sort of mentally "flush" the few "saturday-morning-ish" elements, and the repeated cell-animation repeat-frames, and so forth... the fact that you'll hear Doohan's and Barrett's (and occasional Nichole's) voices over,and over, and over, for every "walk-on" animated character.
The writing ranges from "very very good" to "average" to just a couple of "really bad." Pretty much like the live-action show.
You do see a lot more "true sci-fi" in the animated show, since they could do alien-looking aliens and ships and so forth much more easily (no CGI, remember).
Overall... as far as I'm concerned, I treat it as "part of Star Trek" every bit as much as TNG (which had its own share of "clunkers") or DS9, or VOY, or ENT, or anything else. Flawed, but overall, worth the time to watch.
The fact that Roddenberry was embarrassed for having been "reduced to a cartoon" has very little to do with this fact.
Okay I'm about halfway through and liking the stories. Someone said close your eyes and imagine tham as radio. Good idea. You have to imagine some facial expressions and imagine other voices than Doohan. Sure hope that cat got paid proportionally!
TAS is better in some ways than TOS: farther-out stories due to animation (including more non-humanoid aliens); no 60s network-obligatory fistfights (so far); no Kirk making out with women (so far).
[Please note I said "in some ways," all you fellow-TOS lovers out there. The lack of facial expressions and the fairly mellow deliveries by the actors -- due to microphone being two inches away, if that -- are certainly minuses. But I'm liking the "more cerebral" aspect of an animated series, ironically.]
TAS is better in some ways than TOS: farther-out stories due to animation (including more non-humanoid aliens); no 60s network-obligatory fistfights (so far); no Kirk making out with women (so far).
[Please note I said "in some ways," all you fellow-TOS lovers out there. The lack of facial expressions and the fairly mellow deliveries by the actors -- due to microphone being two inches away, if that -- are certainly minuses. But I'm liking the "more cerebral" aspect of an animated series, ironically.]
The cartoons are even more colorful than TOS; so if you close your eyes, you'll be missing a treat, IMO. The visuals are really the thing TAS has to offer. If I had to choose, I'd say watch with the sound off. (But I wouldn't do that, because TAS does have some of the original voices.)
Anyway, the place I noticed "Yesteryear" had been used was in STIII ("Search for Spock"). When I watched "Yesteryear" I was pleased to see that's where they got the landscape shots of Vulcan. I'm thinking of when the Bird of Prey sets down on the planet.
From this movie, I notice the kids' school uniforms have that blue X design over their chests, as in TAS. Not sure whether ENT used some ideas from TAS for Vulcan, but the valley of the monuments was somehow reminiscent.
Anyway, the place I noticed "Yesteryear" had been used was in STIII ("Search for Spock"). When I watched "Yesteryear" I was pleased to see that's where they got the landscape shots of Vulcan. I'm thinking of when the Bird of Prey sets down on the planet.
From this movie, I notice the kids' school uniforms have that blue X design over their chests, as in TAS. Not sure whether ENT used some ideas from TAS for Vulcan, but the valley of the monuments was somehow reminiscent.
Just don't destroy a mall to fulfill it.
De nada.
It really is a good way to look at it. Or, er, not look at it...
Sweet deal.
I know some do this and some think it's stupid as hell but I always just considered TAS to be more-or-less the rest of the five-year-mission.
I'm probably wrong, but it simplifies the whole thing in my head and lord knows how much I love doing that.
Onscreen = canon. Books, fan fiction/films, and comics = non-canon. How can anyone argue with this? You may argue that certain situations are aprocryphal, or poorly written, or badly acted, but you can't argue that the stories were aired and are part of history.
No "do-overs", Gene. It happened.
There is no canon, only Zuul.
No "do-overs", Gene. It happened.
There is no canon, only Zuul.
I think Paramount officially disagrees. I think it specifies live action on screen.
Paramount's having an official canon was so writers could know what "past" events to refer to.
But some Paramount stuff has referenced TAS. So it would seem that it is de facto canon.
It means little to me; I"m really enjoying getting to see the original Ent crew have more adventures.
I love the animated series, music and all. As far as I'm concerned (and in my mom's basement, I'm the only one who counts), since it was written by folks from the TV show, produced by Roddenberry, starred the original cast and is being sold by Paramount, it happened. It's good stuff.
And who stole my "canon schmanon?" lol
And who stole my "canon schmanon?" lol
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