Hulk no more?

[Dinosauricon]

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Hulk-No-Mor...=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1246600142&sr=8-1

This and also:


http://marvel.com/catalog/?id=12591


So it looks like Bruce may be cured, at least for a while (Although since the Hulk is part mental illness, will the Hulk personas still show up in Bruce's body?) and the Red Hulk and Sakaar will take over the Hulk titles.

I think this is really the first time the Hulk has been 'dead', so to speak.
Bruce's other 'cures' usually involved the Hulk around in some form, whether it be the Hulk with Banner's persona (As in Bill Mantlo's run) or the Hulk and Bruce seperated (as in Bryne's first run and part of Al Milgrom's). Usually, it's actually been the other way around, with the Hulk cured of being Banner various times in the past!

 

[Teelie]

I thought this was about the movies at first. As with any comic cure, this'll be at best a temporary one.

 

[Checkmate]

Bruce Banner: "I've done it! I've cured myself!"

<a few months pass>

Random News Channel: "And today the Red Hulk has gone on yet another rampage, devastating the streets of Philadelphia as he expands his North American empire."

Bruce Banner: "Oh noes! I never should have given up being the Hulk! Where did I put my prototype Gamma Bomb again? I gotta save everyone... but at such a great cost to myself!" /emo

If it doesn't go down something like that, I'll chew off my left leg.

 

[exodus]

They had Captian America die, now the Hulk is cured.

Who's next, Iron-Man?


Avengers, disassemble!!!!

 

[C.E. Evans]

Not to sound like a critic of Marvel editorial, but Marvel seems to have a habit of deconstructing its characters--letting someone new come over and run in its place for awhile--and then eventually bringing the original character back.

I know it's a way to keep a long-running title fresh by changing the status quo for awhile, but in light of Marvel's current Dark Reign era (a new Ms. Marvel, a new Sorcerer Supreme, Dark Avengers, Dark X-Men, etc.,), maybe this trick has already been overused of late especially since the death, replacement, and recent return of Steve Rogers as Captain America...

 

[FPAlpha]

Not to sound like a critic of Marvel editorial, but Marvel seems to have a habit of deconstructing its characters--letting someone new come over and run in its place for awhile--and then eventually bringing the original character back.

I know it's a way to keep a long-running title fresh by changing the status quo for awhile, but in light of Marvel's current Dark Reign era (a new Ms. Marvel, a new Sorcerer Supreme, Dark Avengers, Dark X-Men, etc.,), maybe this trick has already been overused of late especially since the death, replacement, and recent return of Steve Rogers as Captain America...

*cough*

Overused.. understatement of the decade

Let's be honest.. the big 2 are in a tight spot. They can't kill off golden age characters like Cap America or Batman yet they do it from time to time only to resurrect them in a big show (i've read the Wiki on Captain America: Reborn on how it was possible that he returns.. oh boy was that lame ) yet when there is huge change (Superman dying and returning as an updated energy being) we raise all hell because we want the old style back.

So there is this status quo for decades now.. kill off a character and resurrect him after a while. This is mainstream comics and it's unlikely that it will change.

What really pisses me off is that when they kill of a popular character they always claim that this is it! No return! It's not possible! He/She/It is gone!.. then after a while they insert small nuggets into various comics that something is going on and then a huge miniseries about the return and we are back where we started.

This is why i gave up on Marvel again last year after returning after nearly 15 years.. it was the same old again.. a bold beginning of a storyline but it never really changes anything. Marvel has the uncanny ability to lay fascinating groundwork for a storyline but then fucks it up during because they are afraid to be consequent and see the story through to its natural conclusion but bend it to restore the status quo so nothing really changed.

Sorry for the rant

 

[broberfett]

So how did they get around Spiderman giving up his secret identity? Is he still public? How would he keep every super villain in the world from attacking his friends, family, or dog?

 

[Peter the Younger]

Not to sound like a critic of Marvel editorial, but Marvel seems to have a habit of deconstructing its characters--letting someone new come over and run in its place for awhile--and then eventually bringing the original character back.

I know it's a way to keep a long-running title fresh by changing the status quo for awhile, but in light of Marvel's current Dark Reign era (a new Ms. Marvel, a new Sorcerer Supreme, Dark Avengers, Dark X-Men, etc.,), maybe this trick has already been overused of late especially since the death, replacement, and recent return of Steve Rogers as Captain America...

*cough*

Overused.. understatement of the decade

Let's be honest.. the big 2 are in a tight spot. They can't kill off golden age characters like Cap America or Batman yet they do it from time to time only to resurrect them in a big show (i've read the Wiki on Captain America: Reborn on how it was possible that he returns.. oh boy was that lame ) yet when there is huge change (Superman dying and returning as an updated energy being) we raise all hell because we want the old style back.

So there is this status quo for decades now.. kill off a character and resurrect him after a while. This is mainstream comics and it's unlikely that it will change.

What really pisses me off is that when they kill of a popular character they always claim that this is it! No return! It's not possible! He/She/It is gone!.. then after a while they insert small nuggets into various comics that something is going on and then a huge miniseries about the return and we are back where we started.

This is why i gave up on Marvel again last year after returning after nearly 15 years.. it was the same old again.. a bold beginning of a storyline but it never really changes anything. Marvel has the uncanny ability to lay fascinating groundwork for a storyline but then fucks it up during because they are afraid to be consequent and see the story through to its natural conclusion but bend it to restore the status quo so nothing really changed.

Sorry for the rant

I agree completely. It makes the big deaths and sacrifices completely meaningless, and was a big part of what drove me away from Marvel and DC. Now it seems they've hit the reset button so often, even juvenile readers are calling bullshit.

 

[Ayelbourne]

So how did they get around Spiderman giving up his secret identity? Is he still public? How would he keep every super villain in the world from attacking his friends, family, or dog?

Believe me, when I say: You don't want to know that.

 

[Teelie]

I only read some mainstream comics when I was into them. X-Men and the associated spin offs mainly, occasionally Spider-Man but most of the ones I read were more in line with Spawn or some Dark Horse and truly indepdent books. Not quite mainstream but not entirely independent either. Too many of them are just repetitions of the same story after a while so I quickly tire of those.

 

[sojourner]

Superman dying and returning as an updated energy being

Supes dying and Supes turning into an energy based hero were two separate story lines.

 

[FPAlpha]

Superman dying and returning as an updated energy being

Supes dying and Supes turning into an energy based hero were two separate story lines.

One was the consequence of the other.. i may imagine it (that thing has some years on it) but wasn't the Death of Superman planned with the Superman "update" in mind?

 

[M'rk son of Mogh]

Superman dying and returning as an updated energy being

Supes dying and Supes turning into an energy based hero were two separate story lines.

One was the consequence of the other.. i may imagine it (that thing has some years on it) but wasn't the Death of Superman planned with the Superman "update" in mind?

He died in 1992 (Well, January of 1993) and the energy transformation occured in March of 1997. So there was a bit of time there.

As for the return of Captain America, every single science fiction story told in a few sentences is silly. And even now, I'm wary. But Ed Brubaker is such a fantastic writer, and has been up to this point (if you disagree with this, then you just don't read the title and/or don't own a soul to call your own) that I have faith in what he's going to bring.

And as pointed out earlier (in a laugh out loud post parodying the scripts of the old Hulk writing), Banner was cured of the Hulk every other issue. It was always just a matter of time before the Hulk came back. No news here other than the journey might be interesting, as Greg Pak is back and he did pretty good with the Planet Hulk storyline.

 

[shivkala]

So how did they get around Spiderman giving up his secret identity? Is he still public? How would he keep every super villain in the world from attacking his friends, family, or dog?

Believe me, when I say: You don't want to know that.

In short, Peter made a deal with the Devil. Mephisto would save Aunt May if Peter would accept him wiping out his marriage to Mary Jane. But don't worry, Mary Jane is in on it and agrees to it.

And, I really, really wish I were joking.

 

[broberfett]

What would Uncle Ben think of making a deal with the devil? It also seems like Aunt May wouldn't want Peter to give up his marriage.

 

[Thrall]

As for the return of Captain America, every single science fiction story told in a few sentences is silly. And even now, I'm wary. But Ed Brubaker is such a fantastic writer, and has been up to this point (if you disagree with this, then you just don't read the title and/or don't own a soul to call your own) that I have faith in what he's going to bring.

You're right. I don't have soul. Because Ed Brubaker and his demon lord Quesada destroyed it along time ago. I bet your a big Ben Reilly and Rodamus Prime fan too. Frickin' fanboys.

 

[DarKush]

So how did they get around Spiderman giving up his secret identity? Is he still public? How would he keep every super villain in the world from attacking his friends, family, or dog?

Believe me, when I say: You don't want to know that.

In short, Peter made a deal with the Devil. Mephisto would save Aunt May if Peter would accept him wiping out his marriage to Mary Jane. But don't worry, Mary Jane is in on it and agrees to it.

And, I really, really wish I were joking.

Unfortunately it's no joke, and One More Day will probably always be the worst Spider-Man storyline in my life IMO. That being said, I have to admit that some of the things they've been doing post-OMD haven't been too bad, in terms of the new characters.

As for why no one remembers Pete's identity, I think it might have more to do than the Mephisto deal. I was reading an article, I think in the Wizard magazine-with Snake Eyes on the cover-in which the writers said that it hadn't fully been revealed why Pete got his secret identity back. I'm not sure if it has to do with Mephisto or some other person/thing/whatever. I don't have the issue before me, and I could be wrong, but I thought that's what they said.

On the larger issue of the death/resurrection of heroes, I think FPAlpha hit the nail on the head. I think Bucky was doing fine as Captain and we didn't need to have Steve Rogers return, or perhaps he should've stayed dead as long as Bucky had. Similarly, I won't mind if Dick Grayson got to stay on as Batman a little while too. But Bruce will probably be back before the end of the year I'm guessing.

 

[Broccoli]

As for the return of Captain America, every single science fiction story told in a few sentences is silly. And even now, I'm wary. But Ed Brubaker is such a fantastic writer, and has been up to this point (if you disagree with this, then you just don't read the title and/or don't own a soul to call your own) that I have faith in what he's going to bring.

You're right. I don't have soul. Because Ed Brubaker and his demon lord Quesada destroyed it along time ago. I bet your a big Ben Reilly and Rodamus Prime fan too. Frickin' fanboys.

 

[M'rk son of Mogh]

As for the return of Captain America, every single science fiction story told in a few sentences is silly. And even now, I'm wary. But Ed Brubaker is such a fantastic writer, and has been up to this point (if you disagree with this, then you just don't read the title and/or don't own a soul to call your own) that I have faith in what he's going to bring.

You're right. I don't have soul. Because Ed Brubaker and his demon lord Quesada destroyed it along time ago. I bet your a big Ben Reilly and Rodamus Prime fan too. Frickin' fanboys.

Seconded!

I guess it's just an automatic response that anything Marvel puts out must be bad. Not a single issue of any series is capable of being well crafted, or at the very least entertaining. It's impossible for Brubaker's brilliant Daredevil run and fantastic Captain America (so far) to be well received by anyone BUT a "frickin' fanboy". Let alone his Criminal series.

Frickin' pretentious whiners.

 

[Cicero]

As for the return of Captain America, every single science fiction story told in a few sentences is silly. And even now, I'm wary. But Ed Brubaker is such a fantastic writer, and has been up to this point (if you disagree with this, then you just don't read the title and/or don't own a soul to call your own) that I have faith in what he's going to bring.

You're right. I don't have soul. Because Ed Brubaker and his demon lord Quesada destroyed it along time ago. I bet your a big Ben Reilly and Rodamus Prime fan too. Frickin' fanboys.

I actually did like Ben Reilly (but I'm not a Spider-Man fan outside the movies and Spider-Girl). But I agree that Brubaker's Captain America is terrible. (Matt Fraction's and his Immortal Iron Fist, however, was brilliant.)