do you think star trek success?

[starbuck]

Do you think star trek worldwide success is down to fans seeing this film more then once ,i myself have seen it 5 times ,seen few others on here that hae said they have seen it alot of times one 15times . If every one just watched it once would it have been the biggest hit it is?

 

[darkshadow0001]

I was wondering the same thing. I was wondering if it was really worth having Star Trek "rebooted". I enjoyed the film 100%, but I've been watching TNG reruns on WGN like at 1am and was thinking, it was really never that bad. Sure, a couple of the movies weren't great, but the overall series was pretty decent.

 

[indranee]

not everyone watched it more than once. it's basically because a WHOLE LOT OF people watched it

 

[Aashlee]

When I worked in television, in our market the typical rating for "Star Trek: The Next Generation" was a 4. However, "The Cosby Show" (a big hit at the time) typically rated a 19. This said to me that the number of Trek fanatics was relatively small in relation to the general population.

So, although we all know folks who have seen the movie many times over, I do not believe that the majority of movie-goers in the general population have. Hence, I believe that the movie's success is on its own merits as a very entertaining flick with Trekkers and non-Trekkers alike.

 

[Squiggy]

No. There aren't enough Trekkies to make any movie a success...as shown by the performance of the last several TNG movies and UPN series. To be a success a movie or sereies has to appeal to the general audience and not a niche audience.

It it were just Trekkies seeing this over and over again, we'd have another First Contact on our hands. A good Trek movie, but "just" a good Trek movie that can't perform against other blockbusters. What we've seen here is an appeal to the public and they've returned by seeing the movie once or twice.

It's not "us". It's "them" that's revitalized the franchise. Thank a preppie.

 

[Borgminister]

Jeri single-handedly revived this franchise.

 

[Squiggy]

There abouts. Thanks Jeri!

 

[An Officer]

I do believe the loyal fanbase certainly made a difference. No one does hardcore like we do.

 

[Gojira]

When I worked in television, in our market the typical rating for "Star Trek: The Next Generation" was a 4. However, "The Cosby Show" (a big hit at the time) typically rated a 19. This said to me that the number of Trek fanatics was relatively small in relation to the general population.

So, although we all know folks who have seen the movie many times over, I do not believe that the majority of movie-goers in the general population have. Hence, I believe that the movie's success is on its own merits as a very entertaining flick with Trekkers and non-Trekkers alike.

I am in 100% agreement

 

[Nebula1400]

I don't know. I saw it again today (16 times now) and of the 70 or so people in the theater, at least half of them had seen it before.

 

[An Officer]

I think I may see it one last 3rd time, if it's still available in Imax.

 

[Borgminister]

I don't know. I saw it again today (16 times now) and of the 70 or so people in the theater, at least half of them had seen it before.

Correction: Jeri and Nebula1400 tag-teamed to revive Star Trek.

Of course repeat viewings didn't hurt the bottom line, but I don't think only the hardcore Trekkers (Trekkies) did the repeat viewings; they were joined by many, many converts and average folks who wanted to see a great movie one more time--maybe with friends, and so on.

 

[Len_A]

I do believe the loyal fanbase certainly made a difference. No one does hardcore like we do.

Don't tell them that over at the TrekUnited Forums - there are an awful lot of sour pusses that dislike J.J. Abrams version of Star Trek, and a few act like Star Trek fandom revolves around their opinion. In the case of a vocal group, their opinion of this movie is poor to the point that a few declare Star Trek as dead, because it's not another First Contact or Enterprise.

Count me as NOT a member of those sour pusses.

 

[An Officer]

Oh my god. Imagine using Enterprise as a point of comparison. *Shivers*

Glad you were able to get out of there.

 

[Len_A]

Oh my god. Imagine using Enterprise as a point of comparison. *Shivers*

Glad you were able to get out of there.

Oh, no, I'm staying in there. Someone has to to stand up to these people. If I see one more person deify Roddenberry, and spew more nonsense about Roddenberry's "vision" (like one post tonight that said, and I quote "I couldn't care the less (abut home much money this new movie is making), if this is the Star Trek of the future, I am done with it and stay close to 43 years of ideals and values and visions.", then I may throw up on them. So I do so by posting back at them.

I loved this movie.

 

[Therin of Andor]

When I worked in television, in our market the typical rating for "Star Trek: The Next Generation" was a 4. However, "The Cosby Show" (a big hit at the time) typically rated a 19. This said to me that the number of Trek fanatics was relatively small in relation to the general population.

TNG was consistently the #1 rated one-hour drama in first-run syndication. Sounds good. But it wasn't the #1 show in first-run syndication; that honour belonged to "Wheel of Fortune", with Vanna White, IIRC. And TNG certainly wasn't the #1 show in first-run network TV. "The Cosby Show", according to Wikipedia and TV Guide, "was TV's biggest hit in the 1980s, and almost single-handedly revived the sitcom genre and NBC's ratings fortunes".[1]

Having said that, there was a man-on-the-street poll conducted during TNG's TV run (mentioned in a "Best of Trek" volume) and a surprising large proportion of the US general public admitted to considering themselves a fan of Star Trek. Of course, that doesn't mean they watched every episode in first run, or bought any merchandise.

Analysis of cinema audiences for films like ST IV, compared with the rise of ST tie-in merchandise throughout the 80s and early 90s told Paramount that about 1-2% of cinema audiences were buying the licensed novels and comics. And, IIRC, about 10% of those audiences claimed to be avid Star Trek fans.

The ten percent rule seems to work pretty well, even here on TrekBBS. Surveys before JJ's film premiered had about 10% claiming it would flop. It seems that now it's out, about 10% are disappointed enough in it to keep grumbling.

If JJ has satisfied 90% of pre-existing fandom, that's probably as good, or better, as we could ever have expected.

 

[Squiggy]

This seems appropriate.

 

[Prometheus]

yes I think Star Trek is a success and I agree:
"Jeri and Nebula1400 tag-teamed to revive Star Trek."

 

[Len_A]

When I worked in television, in our market the typical rating for "Star Trek: The Next Generation" was a 4. However, "The Cosby Show" (a big hit at the time) typically rated a 19. This said to me that the number of Trek fanatics was relatively small in relation to the general population.

TNG was consistently the #1 rated one-hour drama in first-run syndication. Sounds good. But it wasn't the #1 show in first-run syndication; that honour belonged to "Wheel of Fortune", with Vanna White, IIRC. And TNG certainly wasn't the #1 show in first-run network TV. "The Cosby Show", according to Wikipedia and TV Guide, "was TV's biggest hit in the 1980s, and almost single-handedly revived the sitcom genre and NBC's ratings fortunes".[1]

Having said that, there was a man-on-the-street poll conducted during TNG's TV run (mentioned in a "Best of Trek" volume) and a surprising large proportion of the US general public admitted to considering themselves a fan of Star Trek. Of course, that doesn't mean they watched every episode in first run, or bought any merchandise.

Analysis of cinema audiences for films like ST IV, compared with the rise of ST tie-in merchandise throughout the 80s and early 90s told Paramount that about 1-2% of cinema audiences were buying the licensed novels and comics. And, IIRC, about 10% of those audiences claimed to be avid Star Trek fans.

The ten percent rule seems to work pretty well, even here on TrekBBS. Surveys before JJ's film premiered had about 10% claiming it would flop. It seems that now it's out, about 10% are disappointed enough in it to keep grumbling.

If JJ has satisfied 90% of pre-existing fandom, that's probably as good, or better, as we could ever have expected.

Then that 10% consists of a larger percentage of certain other Star Trek forums, where the crabbing and the whining about this movie continue incessantly.

 

[Jeri]

We saw it the 18th time tonight; there was a good crowd at the 7 p.m. IMAX.

It was clear from how many sounded amazed when Spock appeared that lots of them had not seen the movie before. That kind of pleasantly surprised me.

There abouts. Thanks Jeri!

The pleasure was all mine.