NuTrek sequels - 24th century villains?
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Intriguing... we don't really know the extent of Rasmussen's travels through time, but we do know he only visited the Enterprise-D once before they captured him and his ship left without him.
But how to integrate a 22nd century character into a 23rd century story and do we still give him a 26th century ship to steal?
How about no villains at all? Maybe adversaries, but adversaries who aren't evil and/or insane. They just have a different way of viewing the universe. "The Voyage Home" had no villain at all, but still worked well.
What I don't want to see in the sequels:
Khan
the Borg
Cardassians
the Xindi
clones - especially of anybody on the Enterprise
Q
Nazis
Gangsters
A planet where the Pledge of Allegiance is a sacred scripture
A planet run by Spock's brain
A planet that's barbaric because it is run by bitchy women
A planet where Abe Lincoln lives
Time travel
William Shatner
What I don't want to see in the sequels:
Khan
the Borg
Cardassians
the Xindi
clones - especially of anybody on the Enterprise
Q
Nazis
Gangsters
A planet where the Pledge of Allegiance is a sacred scripture
A planet run by Spock's brain
A planet that's barbaric because it is run by bitchy women
A planet where Abe Lincoln lives
Time travel
William Shatner
The way to do the Borg is simple: look at what VOY did and do the opposite.
That's also the way to do Trek.
Okay then. Describe this race. Let's see if they have some potential that the old guys don't.
Then I can recommend a 4-star film that is available on DVD and blu-ray called Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan.
So instead of just being negative, let's hear your idea(s). Or at the very least provide some reasoning for your position instead of just vaguely and insultingly criticizing.
What would be "inappropriate" about using Betazoids in a TOS-era story just because they were introduced in TNG? There was no mention of when first contact was made with them, and they appear completely human, so there's no reason to assume they couldn't have been amongst any number of background characters shown on TOS. Deanna was a modification of Ilia anyway, so the basic outline for her character existed as far back as Phase II at least.
Coming up with theoretical storylines has been one aspect of internet fandom that has never been my thing. I'm not a screen writer and I don't pretend to be one so I have never engaged in that sort of thing and don't intend to. I prefer to let the writers write and then as a viewer decide whether I liked what they came up with or not.
Sorry but most of the ones I've read in this thread just sound really weak and repetitive. There is nothing particularly original and that is even ignoring that many are simply fanwank. I mean what new are you going to do with the Borg that hasn't already been done? Frankly you are never going to top "The Best of Both Worlds". It was the ultimate film that pulled out all the stops with the Borg.
There isn't anything technically wrong with using Betazoids but the outline you provided isn't something I simply find interesting. It reads like fan fiction and simply isn't grand enough. Plus I've had my fill of earlier crews running into ancestors of characters we know of in later series. I liked Deanna on TNG but a feature centered on them isn't something I've just been anxious to see.
I would just hope that the writers realize that we only get a new film every two or three years and the last thing I want to see is the Dominion or the Borg or Betazoids rebooted. I've experienced them in plenty of well-written stories. I want something fresh and new. Can they use familiar species? Sure but I'd prefer some that are more TOS appropriate and never had a chance to shine.
God, please no. Leave the spinoff aliens to the spinoffs.
I feel like we're about to get into a war between fans of TOS and fans of the rest of Trek (ROT? lol).
Fans of the ROT want to see the backstories to aliens we know have been around a while (e.g. Cardassians, Bajorans, Tzenkethi) whereas the TOS fans want to see TOS aliens (Gorn, Tholians, er, whatever else).
Personally I see absolutely ZERO logical reason to limit ourselves to "TOS aliens". Most ridiculous thing I ever heard. Of course we're not gonna see any Borg or any race we had first contact with in TNG (e.g. Ferengi, thank god).
Andorians I'd love to see more of. Especially a ship named the USS Kumari after Shran's ship. More of the Federation in general. Any race that isn't specifically ruled out of the TOS time period is fair game.
Fans of the ROT want to see the backstories to aliens we know have been around a while (e.g. Cardassians, Bajorans, Tzenkethi) whereas the TOS fans want to see TOS aliens (Gorn, Tholians, er, whatever else).
Personally I see absolutely ZERO logical reason to limit ourselves to "TOS aliens". Most ridiculous thing I ever heard. Of course we're not gonna see any Borg or any race we had first contact with in TNG (e.g. Ferengi, thank god).
Andorians I'd love to see more of. Especially a ship named the USS Kumari after Shran's ship. More of the Federation in general. Any race that isn't specifically ruled out of the TOS time period is fair game.
Thomas Riker
^ Bad news. The sequel is set to feature a Cardassian clone of William Shatner as the leader of a gangster planet which considers the Pledge of Allegiance to be a sacred document.
That's more like the sequel to "Galaxy Quest!"
The Gorn would potentially be interesting as aggressor as the Federation might be percieved as weak by surrounding empires (and the Klingons and Romulans are too buys beating the stuffing out fo each other).
Or possibly the Enigmatic Tholians, who tended to be capricious territory takers...and let's face it. the Tholains on the big screen would look cool
Or possibly the Enigmatic Tholians, who tended to be capricious territory takers...and let's face it. the Tholains on the big screen would look cool
I'd like to see an antagonist rather than just a villain. Not just someone you can kind of understand where they're coming from, but they're still absolute and utter bastards, but someone who at more than just a few points in the narrative you kind of want to root for because the good guys are making a hash of everything. People who would be heroes, except they're on the wrong side. Some moral ambiguity would be really engaging and (gasp!) realistic.
I'm not really sure how it might be shoehorned into a movie plot, though. It takes a lot longer to establish an antagonist as a "worthy opponent" than it does to paint one as a complete monster. All the latter requires is one crossing of the moral event horizon, while the former demands some subtle writing. Complex antagonists and moral ambiguity tend to get axed by meddling executives who think viewers are idiots and can't handle anything challenging.
My favorite kind of sci-fi war plot is one where you have a Light Side and a Dark Side that start out pretty clear-cut, until both sides start playing around in moral grey areas. Then there's some huge, dramatic event that introduces a third player, preferably way more evil than the original dark side and way more powerful, that opposes both original sides, forcing them to team up to survive. I think something similar could play out in a Trek universe where the destruction of Vulcan has altered the balance of power in the galaxy, weakened the Federation and Starfleet, and caused other civilizations to go to war with each other out of politics and simple fear.
Oh, and I definitely want more Andorians. Those guys rock.
I'm not really sure how it might be shoehorned into a movie plot, though. It takes a lot longer to establish an antagonist as a "worthy opponent" than it does to paint one as a complete monster. All the latter requires is one crossing of the moral event horizon, while the former demands some subtle writing. Complex antagonists and moral ambiguity tend to get axed by meddling executives who think viewers are idiots and can't handle anything challenging.
My favorite kind of sci-fi war plot is one where you have a Light Side and a Dark Side that start out pretty clear-cut, until both sides start playing around in moral grey areas. Then there's some huge, dramatic event that introduces a third player, preferably way more evil than the original dark side and way more powerful, that opposes both original sides, forcing them to team up to survive. I think something similar could play out in a Trek universe where the destruction of Vulcan has altered the balance of power in the galaxy, weakened the Federation and Starfleet, and caused other civilizations to go to war with each other out of politics and simple fear.
Oh, and I definitely want more Andorians. Those guys rock.