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What does "Closed" mean to you?

Tiberius Jim

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Before I begin, I'd like to point out that I will hopefully be leaving the world of retail employment far behind me in about 4 months after I graduate from college, so any "Get a better job if you don't like it" comments can be preemptively avoided. I'm really only in it for the paycheck to get me through school, and then I'm out.

Now, as a customer, when I am walking into a store in the later hours of the evening, I always check to see what time said establishment will close. If I am walking in at, say, 8:50 and the store closes at 9:00 I'll quicken my pace and get what I need and get out. If I don't know exactly what I need, I'll simply leave and come back when I have more time.

Because the store closes at 9:00.

A lot of people don't seem to understand that concept. My store closes at 8:30. There is a sign by the front door noting out business hours. I frequently deal with people coming in literally 2 minutes before closing and either are "just looking" or want to engage in a lengthy transaction. For example, this happened just the other night at exactly 8:29. I even had the key out and was walking toward the door to lock it when this guy walks in...

Customer: Hi, I'd like a phone.
Me: Okay, what kind of phone? Home phone?
Customer: No, cell phone, I'd like to add a line.
Me: Oh...I don't know if we'll have time to do that tonight.
Customer: Oh, what time do you guys close?
Me: *Looks at watch* Actually in about 1 minute, at 8:30.
Customer: Well how long does it take?
Me: About 15-20 minutes.
Customer: Oh okay, well I'd like this phone here....
Me: *sigh*

Luckily, we were out of stock of the phone and sent him to another store (luckily for them, they were closed already). But what gets me is that if we had had the phone in stock he would have been just fine with keeping us there past our closing time.

To me, a closing time means that once that time has come and passed, we're no longer open for business. Granted, if a customer is in the store and ready to purchase, we won't kick them out and will ring them up. But for a lengthy process as adding a line to a cell phone plan, plus activating a new phone goes way beyond the 2-3 minute process of ringing somebody up. I simply can't understand why people are content with keeping a store open past their close time, effectively screwing up anything the employees there had for the night, not to mention costing the company more money. I'm pretty sure it has to do with people being selfish and not seeing store employees as people, too.

How do you all feel? If you know a store is about to close do you expedite your shopping or leave and plan to come back again at an earlier time? Or do you think that being forced to stay past closing is just part of a retail job, that those closing times are just a suggestion, and the employees shouldn't be so silly as to think they can have lives outside of work?

(If you answer in the latter, please stay the hell away from my store at or around 8:30pm)
 
I feel your pain man. When i used to work at Disney, we would close the doors to the store when we closed. However, we wouldn't kick anyone out that were still in the stores. They could finish doing their shopping and leave, however, security was there to make sure they were fast about shopping. i would have just told that person that we close in a minute and can't do it.
 
Before I begin, I'd like to point out that I will hopefully be leaving the world of retail employment far behind me in about 4 months after I graduate from college, so any "Get a better job if you don't like it" comments can be preemptively avoided. I'm really only in it for the paycheck to get me through school, and then I'm out.

Now, as a customer, when I am walking into a store in the later hours of the evening, I always check to see what time said establishment will close. If I am walking in at, say, 8:50 and the store closes at 9:00 I'll quicken my pace and get what I need and get out. If I don't know exactly what I need, I'll simply leave and come back when I have more time.

Because the store closes at 9:00.

A lot of people don't seem to understand that concept. My store closes at 8:30. There is a sign by the front door noting out business hours. I frequently deal with people coming in literally 2 minutes before closing and either are "just looking" or want to engage in a lengthy transaction. For example, this happened just the other night at exactly 8:29. I even had the key out and was walking toward the door to lock it when this guy walks in...

Customer: Hi, I'd like a phone.
Me: Okay, what kind of phone? Home phone?
Customer: No, cell phone, I'd like to add a line.
Me: Oh...I don't know if we'll have time to do that tonight.
Customer: Oh, what time do you guys close?
Me: *Looks at watch* Actually in about 1 minute, at 8:30.
Customer: Well how long does it take?
Me: About 15-20 minutes.
Customer: Oh okay, well I'd like this phone here....
Me: *sigh*

Luckily, we were out of stock of the phone and sent him to another store (luckily for them, they were closed already). But what gets me is that if we had had the phone in stock he would have been just fine with keeping us there past our closing time.

To me, a closing time means that once that time has come and passed, we're no longer open for business. Granted, if a customer is in the store and ready to purchase, we won't kick them out and will ring them up. But for a lengthy process as adding a line to a cell phone plan, plus activating a new phone goes way beyond the 2-3 minute process of ringing somebody up. I simply can't understand why people are content with keeping a store open past their close time, effectively screwing up anything the employees there had for the night, not to mention costing the company more money. I'm pretty sure it has to do with people being selfish and not seeing store employees as people, too.

How do you all feel? If you know a store is about to close do you expedite your shopping or leave and plan to come back again at an earlier time? Or do you think that being forced to stay past closing is just part of a retail job, that those closing times are just a suggestion, and the employees shouldn't be so silly as to think they can have lives outside of work?

(If you answer in the latter, please stay the hell away from my store at or around 8:30pm)

I've always been of the mind that a few minutes past closing time is okay if someone seems to be in a hurry and trying to get their item and go. However, I do understand if it's one minute til and someone walks in the store with a basket (which I have seen before). I am always kind and courteous to customers, but yes it does get annoying. When I worked at Walmart, we had so much to do at the end of the night, and a customer standing by the video games at 11:04 (we closed at 11) and just standing there, well that got a bit annoying. Of course, in that case it meant I would be nearby in case someone was trying to steal something, but usually it was just someone playing the game demos at 11:00 and my repeated "Can I help you sir? The store is closing and the checkout lines will be shutting down" going unnoticed.

J.
 
Yeah, I've dealt with the people who make it in before the lock and then take their sweet time deciding what they want. I've resorted to telling them that the registers automatically shut down at a given time and won't let us ring anyone up. That tends to speed up the process.
 
I always kindly asked/told them that if they come back tomorrow they'll be first priority (or I'll call them back at their convenience), but now that the office is closing I really don't have the time for a lengthy response, nor can I make all my other co-workers wait for me.
Of course there was always the one co-worker that sat down with people, take them through the whole registration process (social housing) while they're supposed to do it themselves and on top of that went through the complete newspaper from city to city to see if there was anything to their liking.
And when you confronted said person you got: "well you could have gone home!" Yeah like we'll leave you alone with a bunch of fruitcakes.
I'm no advocate of the strict 8 to 5 mentality, but adding an extra half an hour is pushing it and clients/customers should be wise enough to see and understand that.
 
I have this problem with my co-workers. I bartend at TGI Fridays. We close at 11pm during the week, midnight on Friday and Saturday. For some reason, every single one of my coworkers is incapable of getting people to leave. They feel awkward asking people to pay their tabs.

I just don't get it. Any other bar you go to will kick you out when they close. They to last call, and then you have maybe 10 minutes to drink up and leave. So on those night when we have a lot of lingering bar guests, it's always my job to make them pay and subsequently kick them out.

We have business hours. It's the way our store works. Other stores don't just let you hang out way after they're closed. Why would we be any different?
 
I used to be the night manager at a fast food place and stuff like this used to happen all the time. I actually had huge family groups come in 5 minutes before closing and order feasts. Well, we got sick of that pretty quick, and learned to lock the dining room doors at around 10 minutes before closing. Customers still inside could leave, but no new customers could come in. Then I'd turn off the outside floodlights a few minutes early so no new cars would pull into the drive-thru. After we started doing that, we almost always closed on time. So what did we do with the time we saved? We cleaned up real fast and sat out back for an hour drinking beer. :cool:
 
Ahh, TrekBBS just would't be the same without its monthly retail workers Whine Festival.

You guys are so hard done by :(
 
Ahh, TrekBBS just would't be the same without its monthly retail workers Whine Festival.

You guys are so hard done by :(

What's wrong with getting something off your chest? He's not saying customers are stupid or jerks. He's not advocating that they all go to hell. When did it become wrong for someone who works for a living to get something off their chest?

J.
 
What's wrong with getting something off your chest? He's not saying customers are stupid or jerks. He's not advocating that they all go to hell. When did it become wrong for someone who works for a living to get something off their chest?

J.

Nothing particularly, I'm just observing that retail workers seem to whine more than anybody else. Especially Flux and Trekker ;)

If everybody with an irritating job regularly started a thread about it, this board would be a proper snoozefest as that covers a good 75% of the world :lol:

I'm going to assume you've never worked retail.

You assume wrong, I worked behind a till for many years. Of course TBBS wasn't at my disposal to bitch about it back then.
 
If he doesn't know what time you close, it's an honest mistake... I guess he must have been incredibly rude about it to tick you off so much.
 
Nothing particularly, I'm just observing that retail workers seem to whine more than anybody else.
Retail workers probably have to deal a greater quantity of shitty customers than other people. It's easy to let them get to you.
 
Nothing particularly, I'm just observing that retail workers seem to whine more than anybody else. Especially Flux and Trekker ;)

If everybody with an irritating job regularly started a thread about it, this board would be a proper snoozefest as that covers a good 75% of the world :lol:

Well, retail workers deal with people more often than not, and as we both know, since you have worked in retail, it can be incredibly frustrating.


If he doesn't know what time you close, it's an honest mistake... I guess he must have been incredibly rude about it to tick you off so much.

I can honestly say that while it didn't tick me off, there was a customer who insisted that he was not only right about the price of an item (he wasn't), but that he had the right to keep me there as long as it took to get the item for that price. I dealt with him for 20 minutes after closing time (the Manager had went home), and when he refused to leave, I had security escort him out.

J.
 
If he doesn't know what time you close, it's an honest mistake... I guess he must have been incredibly rude about it to tick you off so much.

I can honestly say that while it didn't tick me off, there was a customer who insisted that he was not only right about the price of an item (he wasn't), but that he had the right to keep me there as long as it took to get the item for that price. I dealt with him for 20 minutes after closing time (the Manager had went home), and when he refused to leave, I had security escort him out.

J.
That's probably one of my biggest annoyances with customers, that sense that they are better than me, that they have a "right" to whatever service they think they deserve. Businesses are owned by people. Those people can refuse service to whomever they choose. Just because you're a customer doesn't mean you get your own way. If you're not happy about that, go somewhere else that will better accomodate you.
 
I hate people like that. I was once ringing up a guest at Disneyland and her daughter was in line while the mom was still shopping. Well, i rang up her daughter, but the mom had all the money. She held up the line for a good amount of time while still shopping. I finally had to cancel that transaction and move on to the next guest since the line was rather long. And then the mom came back and got upset that people were upset that she was still shopping!
 
I hate people like that. I was once ringing up a guest at Disneyland and her daughter was in line while the mom was still shopping. Well, i rang up her daughter, but the mom had all the money. She held up the line for a good amount of time while still shopping. I finally had to cancel that transaction and move on to the next guest since the line was rather long. And then the mom came back and got upset that people were upset that she was still shopping!

:wtf:

If you're not ready to check out, you don't get in line. How hard is that?
 
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