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Why no reboots until now?

Yes, I was going to mention that. Wasn't there some comment on that also in one of the Trek novels? Might have been a Shatner one. Can't remember now.

I wonder if Captain Sisko has ever seen a picture of Admiral Cartwright and thought 'he looks like my dad!'?
 
I think people are the wrong end of the stick a little: IMO, stuff like TNG and Frasier are continuations, not reboots. Next Gen looked different, and the people acted differently because it was set 100 years after TOS. Things were different for a reason, but the stuff that happened before it was frequently acknowledged (to the point several early TNG episodes were remakes of TOS ones…and it had crossovers with Scotty, Spock, McCoy and Kirk too). Frasier was the continuation of “what happened next” to the guy from Cheers. The show was different, because Frasier had moved to a new town and turned over a new leaf.
By “reboot” I mean (for example) a comic where blonde Jay Kirk from Washington meets an alien with pointed ears named Spock. They take their grouchy doctor with them on a 5-year mission and fight Klingons lots. They take a ninja psycho called Sulu and a Scotsman with a troubled past with them. It’s Star Trek, but it’s starting again with a few changes to the core, but the same characters (albeit with slightly different backstories). Plus you can make whatever changes you want to the characters, maybe kill some off. That’s what I consider a reboot.

Some of you might have considered Enterprise series 3 to be a reboot, because it changed (or rather gave?) some of the characters personalities. I wouldn't.
 
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I think there's a rather liberal definition of "reboot" developing in this thread...

Drastic changes, the presence of inconsistencies, or general reinvigoration do not a reboot make.

For lack of a better source, Wikipedia describes a reboot as "...a discarding of much or even all previous continuity in the series, to start anew." I think that's generally what's understood by the term in this context.

In fandom, perhaps. Among creators, no. As I explained above, the fan perception of "reboot" is based largely on a single example, Battlestar Galactica. But within the industry, terms such as "reboot" and "reimagining" are used more broadly.

You can't always trust fan interpretations of a term. Look at "remaster." This is a common term that means to go back to the original master copy of a film or recording and make a new print that is as close to the original's quality as possible. But because TOS Remastered included the addition of new visual-effects shots, fandom bizarrely took this familiar decades-old term, completely forgot what it actually means, and began assuming that it meant replacing old footage with new footage -- which is essentially the exact opposite of what it means. The new FX scenes in TOS-R are the only parts of it that aren't remastered, because they aren't taken from the original masters. So I'm sorry, but what's "generally understood" often has very little connection to the truth.

It's important to understand that terms like "reboot" and "reimagining" and the like are not technical terminology in the first place. They're idioms and catchphrases. Literally, rebooting is restarting a computer that's been shut down. Applied to a fictional franchise, "reboot" is only a metaphor, a rough analogy, not a formal technical term. So naturally it's going to be used different ways by different people. It's somewhat misguided to insist on a single narrow definition.

And fans obsess more about continuity than industry professionals do. If you're a studio executive or a movie/TV producer, your priority is not going to be the internal continuity and consistency of a fictional universe; your priority is going to be on more practical matters like how successful your property can be, how effective it will be at appealing to an audience and making a profit. So it naturally follows that producers and executives who talk about "rebooting" a franchise are going to be using that in terms of taking something that's not drawing an audience and giving it a fresh start that will draw an audience again. In those terms, it doesn't matter one bit whether it's in the same continuity or a different one. Either approach can be used to make a franchise fresh and successful again. So it's not a question of whether the definition is "liberal," it's a question of whether it makes sense in the terms that the industry professionals using the metaphor would consider important. That's why you can't assume that if a producer or executive uses the term "reboot" or "reimagining" in an interview, it's some kind of code phrase meaning that the old continuity has been tossed out the window. These aren't terms that have formalized, rigid definitions. They're jargon and metaphor.
 
^ I think it's also worth pointing out that Reboot and Reimagining are fairly recent terms, in a movie or tv context anyway. The first time I remember hearing Reimagining was in respect of Tim Burton's Planet of the Apes. I think the makers and promoters just didn't want to use anything so ordinary as 'remake' in describing it (though technically both movies were adaptations of the original novel).

I can't remember which movie or tv series I first heard Reboot used about. I've a feeling it was Batman Begins, rather than nuBSG. Ironically, even after the release of that movie, plenty of people erroneously referred to it as a prequel to the Burton/ Schumacher movies (just as some called Smallville a prequel to the Superman movies). That was probably because the word prequel was in vogue, what with the Star Wars prequels and Enterprise etc.
 
I think people are the wrong end of the stick a little: IMO, stuff like TNG and Frasier are continuations, not reboots. Next Gen looked different, and the people acted differently because it was set 100 years after TOS. Things were different for a reason, but the stuff that happened before it was frequently acknowledged (to the point several early TNG episodes were remakes of TOS ones…and it had crossovers with Scotty, Spock, McCoy and Kirk too). Frasier was the continuation of “what happened next” to the guy from Cheers. The show was different, because Frasier had moved to a new town and turned over a new leaf.

The reason they acted differently is that it was a totally different sort of show. The choice to set it 75 years later was a part of the rebooting.

TNG is as different to TOS as BSG is to BSG.

TOS was a child of the Cold War and the rebirth of so-called "American exceptionalism." Klingons and Romulans were thinly disguised proxies for the Chinese and Russians. Dr. McCoy was an unapologetic and very vocal racist. Everybody used illegal drugs (Romulan ale was illegal, mind) and Jim Kirk got his [undeserved, unfair] reputation as a "womanizer." TOS was, in some ways, more like Star Wars in that it focused entirely on a sort of cult of personality with Kirk as the focus. TOS really was The Adventures of Jim Kirk and friends in the same way that SW is the adventures of the Alpha Male of choice of the Skywalker family.

TNG was an ensemble piece, almost unconcerned with action and certainly not the story of Jean Luc Picard and his little buddies. TNG was a child of the Reagan-Bush era. The two couldn't be more different.

By NOT using the original actors (all still very much alive and spry at the time), by not setting the show in "the present," iow, using the real span of intervening time to check in with the TOS/movie cast in the "future," the creators cleaned the slate and allowed themselves to re-imagine the series. Which it was, pretty much totally.

By “reboot” I mean (for example) a comic where blonde Jay Kirk from Washington meets an alien with pointed ears named Spock. [snip]That’s what I consider a reboot.

Klingons with forehead ridges and a samurai/viking culture? Orion Mafia syndicate? An essentially bloodless society without money or, apparently, any internal conflicts whatsoever either personal or societal?

Seriously, yours is a coincidentally narrow definition and it's not the one that describes what reboots actually are. The James Bond franchise has recently been rebooted, for instance, simply by taking a "back to basics" approach and making another casting change. Daniel Craig's Bond is just one more in the series yet he has little in common with ANY of the predecessors beyond sharing the name and job description.

Some of you might have considered Enterprise series 3 to be a reboot, because it changed (or rather gave?) some of the characters personalities. I wouldn't.

I don't think anyone would describe a latter season of ENT as rebooting.
 
No matter what type of other differences they have, TOS, TAS, TMP, TWOK, TNG, DS9, VOY, ENT, and the rest of the movies all share the same continuity, which disqualifies them as reboots in my book.
 
^ I agreed - the point is continuity, first and foremost. Redjack, by your definition Aliens would be a reboot of Alien because the first was a suspense and the second an action flick set... however many decades later. The last Bond films are considered reboots not because they differ in tone but because they begin with a new Bond that has just made 00-agent grade. TNG was a spinoff of TOS... and far more similar to its progenitor than, say Crusade to Babylon 5, Torchwood to Who, Angel to Buffy, or any number of spinoffs that make important changes of setting/mood/storytelling while conserving the mythos without, for that matter, being reboots.

Now Reboot... that was a good show.

Fictitiously yours, Trent Roman
 
No matter what type of other differences they have, TOS, TAS, TMP, TWOK, TNG, DS9, VOY, ENT, and the rest of the movies all share the same continuity, which disqualifies them as reboots in my book.

Okay, that's your book. Just keep in mind that it's slang, not technical terminology, so if you hear a TV or movie executive use the term, it would be unwise to assume that they're reading from your book. A lot of miscommunications happen when we assume that other people are defining things the same way we do.

Over the past year or so, there have been all sorts of overreactions online every time the Star Trek '09 producers uttered any word beginning with "re-," as fans jumped to the conclusion that it was dumping old continuity altogether just like Galactica, or argued endlessly over the exact nuances between reboot, reimagining, and what-have-you. But it was all just overreaction because there is no universal meaning for any of those words and the way a typical sci-fi fan interprets the word may not match how a Hollywood producer interprets it, because the priorities are different. So it's a mistake to get too invested in any one strict definition of a vernacular term like this.
 
Why is it, that during the 40+ years of Star Trek, on TV, film, books, comics etc. there has never until now (Star Trek XI) been a reboot of the series?

The jury's still out on whether or not XI actually is a reboot in the way you mean it. We'll find out in a little over a week.

To answer, it just wasn't needed. TOS was still popular and profitable when TNG aired. The TNG era, whatever it's flaws, brought Star Trek years and years and years of prosperity and profit before going downhill and dying, which was relatively recently.

Until now, direct continuations have always been viable.

I can understand not wanting to screw up and devalue a TV franchise (…and then they pretty much did that anyway with Voyager and Enterprise!), but many comics (like Batman and the rest) pretty much reboot every few years, and have continuing parallel comic lines featuring (roughly) the same characters but exist in their own continuities.

I personally find the convoluted mess of many different continuities in comic books to be a far bigger deterrant than a convoluted mess of one continuity in Star Trek.

The truckload of superhero movies in recent years has had me looking up these characters on wikipedia. I don't consider myself easily confused, but holy shit! How can people follow that crap?
 
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The truckload of superhero movies in recent years has had me looking up these characters on wikipedia. I don't consider myself easily confused, but holy shit! How can people follow that crap?

You had to be there (or have access to the back issues). It looks daunting in one condensced chunk like that, but all that continuity comes from decades of slow accretion, 20-odd pages per month. I had (and frankly still do) the same reaction when I looked at some of those pages. Then I started reading, via the trade paperbacks, Marvel's rebooted (there's that word again) 'Ultimate Universe' line, where the continuity starts from scratch. Now, I can go to the pages for the Ultimate universe, look at all that stuff that would have made me go cross-eyed a few years back and marvel that it actually makes sense to me. (The pages for comics I haven't followed, though, still look confusing as all hell--particularly DC's multiple collapsing planets thing or whatever.)

Fictitiously yours, Trent Roman
 
The last Bond films are considered reboots not because they differ in tone but because they begin with a new Bond that has just made 00-agent grade.
Fictitiously yours, Trent Roman

Not really. If it deals with Bond's beginings, then its just a prequel.

Kind of like Enterprise was..except that Berman & CO couldn't resist the temptation to change the continuity of the shows set later in the timeline.

If Trek XI permanently changes the timeline of the franchise, its an alternate universe. If it has nothing to do with the original timeline from the start, then its a reboot, restart, or whatever you want to label it.... kind of like the new BSG. If it has a reset button later on that resets the timeline, then it's nothing more than what happened in TNG show, Yesterday's Enterprise.
 
Not really. If it deals with Bond's beginings, then its just a prequel.

If it was only that, sure, but Campbell and others have made it clear that these films began a new continuity and were not intended to 'lead' into the preceeding films. Hence, reboot.

If Trek XI had just shown the beginning of the characters' adventures, it could have passed as prequel. But since it is changing the established history of the Trek universe, it reboots in a new timeline.

Fictitiously yours, Trent Roman
 
Not really. If it deals with Bond's beginings, then its just a prequel.

Actually it's an adaptation of the first Bond novel. I think it's rather film-centric to label that a prequel.

Kind of like Enterprise was..except that Berman & CO couldn't resist the temptation to change the continuity of the shows set later in the timeline.

For one thing, the Daniel Craig Bond films change the Bond continuity simply by setting Bond's first missions in the 2000s rather than the late 1950s. For another thing, "Berman & co." didn't "change the continuity" of Star Trek any more than any previous ST series did. They contradicted some fan assumptions and conjectures about unchronicled parts of Trek history, but ENT's actual contradictions of prior canon were no greater, and overall probably less, than those introduced by every prior Trek series. (Go search YouTube -- there are several good mashups on there showing all the many, many contradictions that existed in Trek long before ENT came along.)

If Trek XI permanently changes the timeline of the franchise, its an alternate universe. If it has nothing to do with the original timeline from the start, then its a reboot, restart, or whatever you want to label it.... kind of like the new BSG. If it has a reset button later on that resets the timeline, then it's nothing more than what happened in TNG show, Yesterday's Enterprise.

If it reinvigorates the franchise by taking it in a fresh direction, then as far as studio executives are concerned, it's a reboot. The word "reboot" does not mean "restart a fictional series with a new continuity." It literally means "to reactivate a computer that has crashed or been shut down." So when that word is figuratively applied to a TV or film series, it doesn't implicitly suggest change or abandonment of what's come before -- just the restarting of something that has stopped or failed. Which can be done with a new continuity like BSG, a revamped continuation of the old continuity like Doctor Who, or something in between like ST09. Heck, used literally, rebooting means putting a system back the same way it was before it crashed -- so "abandoning what existed before and starting anew" is pretty much the exact opposite of what the word fundamentally means. Either way, it's a figurative usage, a bit of slang that's only a few years old, and it makes no sense to insist that it can only have one narrow meaning.
 
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