John "The Anti-Jefferies" Eaves Blog Online
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ST-One
Vice Admiral
Or the idea of using the straight-up Akira in its place...
Thank god, for Doug Drexler and Herman Zimmermann who fought for at least modifying the Akira-design.
Is "anti-Jefferies" supposed to be a compliment or an insult?
No. Really.
Drex said it himself: the folks in Production liked the design and directed them to use the Akira as it was. It was only he and Herman that tweaked it into the 'Akiraprise' to be more suitably pre-TOS and convinced TPTB to go with it.
trevanian
Rear Admiral
Damn, have you been over to the Eaves site today? He has pics of how they bulldozed most of the Enterprise sets, and sez apparently it was done at the behest of some trek-hating suit, that GREASE 2 sets remain in storage while trek got pulverized.
I hated lil ENTERPRISE, but man, destroying that stuff is criminal, financially irresponsible, and on a whole other level, just plain wrong.
I hated lil ENTERPRISE, but man, destroying that stuff is criminal, financially irresponsible, and on a whole other level, just plain wrong.
I did see that. It nauseated me. Those were high-quality sets, regardless of one's personal opinion of ENT, and they just get bulldozed. They didn't think they might even want to use them to make a TV movie one day or something in a 40-year-old franchise?
Yet. They. Save. 'Grease 2'?!?! Not even 'Grease,' but 'Grease 2'?
Yet. They. Save. 'Grease 2'?!?! Not even 'Grease,' but 'Grease 2'?
I suddenly feel a tremendous and warm affection for the ship we ended up with.
Re the bulldozed sets: that's horrible. I didn't think much of ENT as a series, but the work put into the physical assets and designs by the production team produced some of the finest sets Trek has ever had. That Paramount wouldn't even save parts for reuse in other shows or films boggles the mind.
darkwing_duck1
Vice Admiral
That's Les Moonives for you...
Funny, the same thing happened to me.
trevanian
Rear Admiral
I can't quite go that far, but I can still rage against their not just shipping this stuff over to Cawley's bunch, as an acknowledgement that trek would go on (I've only seen about 5 min of his stuff, but admire the effort.) Those NEW VOYAGES folks could have kludged a ton of production value out of this stuff.
Jesus! I can't believe they just took that stuff and... wrecked it. You'd think they would have tried to auction it off or something, if they simply didn't want it anymore.
darkwing_duck1
Vice Admiral
Les was sending the strongest possible signal that Trek was over, as far as he was concerned. TOS-R was little more than a gimmick that never signaled any real commitment to the franchise.
Note that everything "new" in Trek has been everywhere BUT the TV division, still under Les' control.
I hope the movie is such a hit that he has no choice but to capitalize on a new TV series, just because it would make him squirm.
trevanian
Rear Admiral
Now, now, hoping for one new bad thing to happen so that something else that MIGHT be good might happen is going to extremes ... why not just frag the guy and be done with it?
It's funny, but I always sort of placed part of the blame for the recycled Akira at the feet of the art department. That was pretty unfair considering it now sounds like Doug Drexler was the only man standing between us and a complete reuse of the First Contact design.
Speaking of which: the mind boggles at the total lack of perception on the part of TPTB to think that a.) straight-up 24th century styling would pass for 22nd C, at least among hard-core Trekkies, and b.) that the utter lack of creativity involved would send a positive message about the new show. Weren't we the ones they kept assring that ENT was "not our father's Star Trek?" Yikes.
Because some of us like the looks of the new Star Trek. And a squirming Moonves is more fun.
Captain X
Rear Admiral
I've pretty much always laid the blame for the face-palmers on B&B and the UPN suits, because at the end of the day they're the ones who determine the art direction and sign off on the final design.
Heh, that last bit makes me laugh because they're using the same line to sell the new movie.Speaking of which: the mind boggles at the total lack of perception on the part of TPTB to think that a.) straight-up 24th century styling would pass for 22nd C, at least among hard-core Trekkies, and b.) that the utter lack of creativity involved would send a positive message about the new show. Weren't we the ones they kept assring that ENT was "not our father's Star Trek?" Yikes.
Heh, that last bit makes me laugh because they're using the same line to sell the new movie.
I thought of that as I was typing it out.
As far as I'm concerned, though, the new film deserves to use that line, as they actually are giving us things we've not seen in Star Trek before. Like 'em or hate 'em, at least the new designs don't look like recycled anything from Trek's past.