World Premiere/Advance screening discussions [SPOILERS GUARANTEED]

[Nowhere Man]

I know it's a long shot,but do we see Kirk piloting menevour's like that episode of TNG where Wesley get's in trouble and is almost kicked out of starfleet

 

[Kokomo]

Could someone who saw the movie tell me what Kirk and Spock's first encounter with each other is like?

Thanks!

Kirk asks to face his accuser at the hearing over the kobayashi maru, and spock comes down and they then argue. Oh then lady in red starts playing but it is a good scene.

Minus the "lady in red" part, is that how it really goes?

 

[Anthony]

Well. well. Nice seeing some things [and people] never change. How've you been Captain? It's been a while since our old days on the AOL Trek Boards. Do they still exist? Last time I was on AOL, I couldn't find Rumors & Suppositions or any other old haunts. Do you still hear from Crambam or any of the other old regulars anymore?

Me? I've been building a new empire in that time, so it's kept me busy. An empire based on my upcoming Dark Matter Saga, a nine part book series set in a parallel universe.

Check out the details on Myspace.

Good seeing you again.

 

[Anthony]

But again, does the film resolve the question of what will *ultimately* happen to Kirk? I mean, As for Pike, are his injuries as serious as they were in "The Menagerie"? Do they allow for the possibility that Pike will return to duty, and if so, is Kirk only filling in until that happens?

And one other thing: what about Pike's original first officer?

I think we all know what happens in the end.

You're not Dennis, are you?

 

[Anthony]

No worries i keep forgetting how detail oriented people, i should have stressed it was just my impression, i just hope people see it at least once before deciding if they like it, i think it's going to be a great companion piece to the original series, as nothing will ever replace the original series and i don't think they tried to do that with this film thankfully.

Once is enough to decide that. It's the multiple "onces" that make a film a blockbuster.

I agree with you--no, this film will never replace Classic Trek, and can't, and never will.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

You're not Dennis, are you?

Who?

No, my name's not Dennis.

 

[Anthony]

You're not Dennis, are you?

Who?

No, my name's not Dennis.

Your posting style, the prose--reminded me of someone. A Mr. Dennis Bailey, precisely. Eerily similar. My mistake.

I apologize for the comparison.

 

[Borgminister]

I'd advise against inviting comparisons to other posters...

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

You're not Dennis, are you?

Who?

No, my name's not Dennis.

Your posting style, the prose--reminded me of someone. A Mr. Dennis Bailey, precisely. Eerily similar. My mistake.

I apologize for the comparison.

Feh - Babaganoosh doesn't use nearly enough elipses, parentheses and run-on sentences to be Bailey. Beyond that he has a little of the doggedness, but lacks the requisite arrogance.

And unsurprisingly, you exhibit a tone deafness to prose style.

 

[Neftoon]

Could someone who saw the movie tell me what Kirk and Spock's first encounter with each other is like?

Thanks!

Kirk asks to face his accuser at the hearing over the kobayashi maru, and spock comes down and they then argue. Oh then lady in red starts playing but it is a good scene.

Minus the "lady in red" part, is that how it really goes?

Yes it is.

 

[Neopeius]

I'd advise against inviting comparisons to other posters...

You are way cooler than me.

 

[Neopeius]

I'll just say this, I'm in my senior year of high school, representing the target audience for this movie, and I've never heard of the term "sawbones" until now. Considering I don't know what it is, I can pretty much tell you no one else under 25 will either.

Hank Williams Jr. sang:

Lordy, I have loved some ladies
And I have loved Jim Beam
And they both tried to kill me, in 1973
When that doctor asked me,
"Son, how'd you get in this condition?"
I said, "Hey, sawbones, I'm just carryin' on
And old family tradition"

Hehehe

My favorite scene in the New Trek movie is the first meeting of Pine and Yelchin:

Pine: "Hey, so what do they call you? 'Russki?'"

Yelchin: "Nyet. My last name is Ivanov, but because I am always checking off fuel consumption forms..."

(Yelchin gives a weak smile and Pine nods knowingly)

Pine: "Got it, Mr. 'Check off'."

Apparently, it's because no one knows who Anton Chekhov is anymore.

 

[section9]

Could someone who saw the movie tell me what Kirk and Spock's first encounter with each other is like?

Thanks!

Kirk asks to face his accuser at the hearing over the kobayashi maru, and spock comes down and they then argue. Oh then lady in red starts playing but it is a good scene.

Do they frakking dance? Does K/S Slash Fiction break out? Does Uhura get insanely jealous?

Where the frak is Cogs when we need him?

 

[section9]

As long as they leave it somewhat openended at the conclusion of the film (as to whether Pike can once again assume command), I'm okay with it. Strange as it may sound, I'm not a Pike fanboy, nor do I have anything against Kirk as a character. I guess I'm just too attached to the regular chain of command. The idea of a cadet - any cadet - going straight to a permanent captaincy, of a major ship of the line no less, does not exactly fire me up. If Pike retains command of the ship, but decides to keep Kirk on the crew and eventually - after several years - does give him the job permanently, I can believe that. I hope the film allows for that possibility. (It would be interesting, as I don't believe Kirk and Pike ever actually served together in TOS.) But in the meantime, let Kirk spend some time - no matter how short - as an Ensign, LT JG, Lieutenant, LCDR, and CDR before he makes Captain. Doesn't that make sense?

I have to agree. U.S.S. ENTERPRISE is classified as a heavy cruiser. During the American Civil War, George Armstrong Custer made it to Brevet Brigadier General before being RIFFED back down to Bird Colonel by Phil Sheridan and Grant for the duration of his career (he died a Bird at Little Bighorn). Most if not all Brevets were either dismissed at the end of the War or reduced in rank, like Custer.

Kirk is an Acting Captain, and that's all he is in this film. Yes, he gets a medal. But one other thing is important here: he is not even an Academy Graduate yet! I understand that he is a Command Cadet and Starfleet has their eyes on the young lad, but no one gets permanent command of a heavy cruiser in any time period unless you punch your tickets first.

Roddenberry knew this: TOS Kirk served on the REPUBLIC and the FARRAGUT before gaining command of the Big E from Pike. In the Abrams film, somehow Kirk gains command due to the absence of both Pike and Spock, as if there is no chain of command in Starfleet once the First Officer is absent or incapacitated. I know that in the U.S. Navy, they don't let the Midshipmen run things when they visit. You start as an Ensign and end up in the Center Chair.

Back to the Academy Graduate thing. Abrams must make it clear at some point that Kirk has actually graduated from the Academy. Nobody commands a ship, especially a big ship like the Enterprise, unless they've graduated from Annapolis-or, in this case, Starfleet Academy. Only when the big surge came in WWII did they relax that regulation, and then commands went to destroyer escorts and whatnot ships that were commanded by reservists.

George Patton wrote that it takes about ten years to make a really good officer. Yes, there are your naturals like Kirk, but even the born heroes like him have to go up the ladder getting command experience. One of the differences between this franchise and Star Wars is that we're supposed to take this kind of thing somewhat seriously. The notion of Kirk commanding the ENTERPRISE out of his Third Year is silly on its face, but no more silly than the notion of a bounty hunter named Han Solo being given command of a Rebel Fleet and being made a General (see Episode II). Patton would later remark that you have to learn how to shovel shit before you can ride a horse. The same applies to the character of Kirk.

 

[urbandk]

George Patton wrote that it takes about ten years to make a really good officer. Yes, there are your naturals like Kirk, but even the born heroes like him have to go up the ladder getting command experience. One of the differences between this franchise and Star Wars is that we're supposed to take this kind of thing somewhat seriously. The notion of Kirk commanding the ENTERPRISE out of his Third Year is silly on its face, but no more silly than the notion of a bounty hunter named Han Solo being given command of a Rebel Fleet and being made a General (see Episode II). Patton would later remark that you have to learn how to shovel shit before you can ride a horse. The same applies to the character of Kirk.

But he did save the planet Earth and the Federation. And the only reason he wasn't going to be graduated then and there was because of the Kobyashi Maru incident, which he did end up getting a commendation for.

It also seems as though Kirk's entrance into the Academy was delayed because of his messed up youth in this timeline. Thus, an older Kirk enters the Academy and is thrust into crisis unexpectedly. He literally saves the world, so he's given command of a flag ship.

Would it happen in the US Navy? probably not, but this is Star Trek and a movie, and it makes for an exciting story, for me anyways.

 

[Captain X]

Why are people making excuses for this frak-up? It's not like none of the series or movies have ever done anything like this before. Hell, Harry Kim was an ensign for 7 years despite apparently being the senior-most surviving operations officer on board Voyager. Paris was promoted, demoted, and re-promoted, Tuvok was promoted at least once, but Kim, nadda. Same thing with everyone on the NX-01, who remained at the same rank for at least 10 years. In an episode of DS9, irony of all ironies, Nog was the senior commissioned officer on a ship full of cadets and should have taken command, but he apparently elected to become a cadet again. So now they basically did the same kind of thing again, but just because everyone knows Kirk is supposed to be the captain of the Enterprise. It's just as stupid, but only one negative point - why defend it like it actually makes some kind of sense?

 

[Anthony]

Who?

No, my name's not Dennis.

Your posting style, the prose--reminded me of someone. A Mr. Dennis Bailey, precisely. Eerily similar. My mistake.

I apologize for the comparison.

Feh - Babaganoosh doesn't use nearly enough elipses, parentheses and run-on sentences to be Bailey. Beyond that he has a little of the doggedness, but lacks the requisite arrogance.

And unsurprisingly, you exhibit a tone deafness to prose style.

I hear well enough. Enough to know you exhibit a profound tone deafness to common sense in general, much like someone attempting to play the Moonlight Sonata on a piano minus eighty-seven keys.

Dismissed, Admiral.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

Would it happen in the US Navy? probably not, but this is Star Trek and a movie, and it makes for an exciting story, for me anyways.

It's true that we have no precedent for junior naval officers saving the planet, so who knows?

 

[darkwing_duck1]

Pines performance in the kobayashi maru was awesome, karl urban was also good in that seen.

So they actually SHOW him taking the Kobi, or just that he took it and they show the aftermath?

 

[BillJ]

As long as they leave it somewhat openended at the conclusion of the film (as to whether Pike can once again assume command), I'm okay with it. Strange as it may sound, I'm not a Pike fanboy, nor do I have anything against Kirk as a character. I guess I'm just too attached to the regular chain of command. The idea of a cadet - any cadet - going straight to a permanent captaincy, of a major ship of the line no less, does not exactly fire me up. If Pike retains command of the ship, but decides to keep Kirk on the crew and eventually - after several years - does give him the job permanently, I can believe that. I hope the film allows for that possibility. (It would be interesting, as I don't believe Kirk and Pike ever actually served together in TOS.) But in the meantime, let Kirk spend some time - no matter how short - as an Ensign, LT JG, Lieutenant, LCDR, and CDR before he makes Captain. Doesn't that make sense?

I have to agree. U.S.S. ENTERPRISE is classified as a heavy cruiser. During the American Civil War, George Armstrong Custer made it to Brevet Brigadier General before being RIFFED back down to Bird Colonel by Phil Sheridan and Grant for the duration of his career (he died a Bird at Little Bighorn). Most if not all Brevets were either dismissed at the end of the War or reduced in rank, like Custer.

Kirk is an Acting Captain, and that's all he is in this film. Yes, he gets a medal. But one other thing is important here: he is not even an Academy Graduate yet! I understand that he is a Command Cadet and Starfleet has their eyes on the young lad, but no one gets permanent command of a heavy cruiser in any time period unless you punch your tickets first.

Roddenberry knew this: TOS Kirk served on the REPUBLIC and the FARRAGUT before gaining command of the Big E from Pike. In the Abrams film, somehow Kirk gains command due to the absence of both Pike and Spock, as if there is no chain of command in Starfleet once the First Officer is absent or incapacitated. I know that in the U.S. Navy, they don't let the Midshipmen run things when they visit. You start as an Ensign and end up in the Center Chair.

Back to the Academy Graduate thing. Abrams must make it clear at some point that Kirk has actually graduated from the Academy. Nobody commands a ship, especially a big ship like the Enterprise, unless they've graduated from Annapolis-or, in this case, Starfleet Academy. Only when the big surge came in WWII did they relax that regulation, and then commands went to destroyer escorts and whatnot ships that were commanded by reservists.

George Patton wrote that it takes about ten years to make a really good officer. Yes, there are your naturals like Kirk, but even the born heroes like him have to go up the ladder getting command experience. One of the differences between this franchise and Star Wars is that we're supposed to take this kind of thing somewhat seriously. The notion of Kirk commanding the ENTERPRISE out of his Third Year is silly on its face, but no more silly than the notion of a bounty hunter named Han Solo being given command of a Rebel Fleet and being made a General (see Episode II). Patton would later remark that you have to learn how to shovel shit before you can ride a horse. The same applies to the character of Kirk.

Well said. It is evident that this isn't the Jim Kirk of the original series. This is the one thing that has really bothered me about this movie. I didn't want to see Jim Kirk be 'Wesley Crusher', the boy genius who saves the day while the adults stand around with their thumbs up their collective asses.