nuBSG ran on cable, ENT on a big network. You just can't compare those numbers. While 3 million viewers where be very bad for ENT on UPN, on the Scifi Channel you can consider this as a success.
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I don't think it'll be such an either/or thing. I don't see "new" and "old" Trek as being mutually exclusive.
darkwing_duck1
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Hey, I'm just trying to explain the other side of the arguement here...you want to talk about unwarranted senses of superiority you should look in the mirror (you being "new" fans).
Casually throwing something that's served for 40 years out the window in favor of something "shiny, sexy and kewl" is far from being an admirable thing.
It also is not what is going to happen here, as has been said for about a thousand times over the last year and about 50 times in this thread alone.
The past 43 years of "canon" is still around for fans and indeed newcomers to look back on and enjoy. When some people go and see the film, they will just walk out and go on to the next blockbuster film release. Others will really enjoy the film and come to the realization that there's more where that film came from and go on to explore the rest of the Star Trek TV series, films and other material. It will hopefully keep the flame alive.
I can be an incredible nitpicker of canon when it comes to sci-fi - for instance, inconsistencies in the portrayal of aliens and "the conspiracy" in The X-Files mythology stories used to get me really annoyed (first killer bees carrying smallpox, then an alien virus, then grey aliens as black oil and cyborg super-soliders? Come on!), and the various deviations from canon in Enterprise initially annoyed me too (where the hell where the Xindi in previous shows? Where?), but after a while I came to the realisation that this will ultimately happen with all popular sci-fi: there are different versions of it.
This has happened numerous times to the DC universes, and Marvel has god knows how many timelines floating around in it, and yet in both, people are still working with them and making new content. The same can be done with Star Trek as well - it's just as durable as a universe and an idea as the rest of them. The "old canon" can exist, alongside the new one started by this film.
In fact, I cite the precedent of Doctor Who, another equally long running franchise. The revival of that show in 2003 came with the concept of a Time War that wiped the slate clean of most of the old trappings of the show, such as the Time Lords and redesigning popular races such as the Cybermen and Daleks within the context of the new show. Some of the older and more dedicated fans cried foul, declaring the producers were destroying their beloved show, and then? Several years later it's going well, more popular than ever with the new TV show's continuity existing in tandem with a wider universe of books, audio plays and other productions set firmly within the canon of the old series.
The same can happen with Trek. There's room for both old and new within the franchise, and no doubt in several years time people will be arguing about canon within the new universe after Trek XII, and canon within the other Trek Prime universe as well with new material being produced from that.
I can be an incredible nitpicker of canon when it comes to sci-fi - for instance, inconsistencies in the portrayal of aliens and "the conspiracy" in The X-Files mythology stories used to get me really annoyed (first killer bees carrying smallpox, then an alien virus, then grey aliens as black oil and cyborg super-soliders? Come on!), and the various deviations from canon in Enterprise initially annoyed me too (where the hell where the Xindi in previous shows? Where?), but after a while I came to the realisation that this will ultimately happen with all popular sci-fi: there are different versions of it.
This has happened numerous times to the DC universes, and Marvel has god knows how many timelines floating around in it, and yet in both, people are still working with them and making new content. The same can be done with Star Trek as well - it's just as durable as a universe and an idea as the rest of them. The "old canon" can exist, alongside the new one started by this film.
In fact, I cite the precedent of Doctor Who, another equally long running franchise. The revival of that show in 2003 came with the concept of a Time War that wiped the slate clean of most of the old trappings of the show, such as the Time Lords and redesigning popular races such as the Cybermen and Daleks within the context of the new show. Some of the older and more dedicated fans cried foul, declaring the producers were destroying their beloved show, and then? Several years later it's going well, more popular than ever with the new TV show's continuity existing in tandem with a wider universe of books, audio plays and other productions set firmly within the canon of the old series.
The same can happen with Trek. There's room for both old and new within the franchise, and no doubt in several years time people will be arguing about canon within the new universe after Trek XII, and canon within the other Trek Prime universe as well with new material being produced from that.
I've been watching Star Trek for thirty years. In what way am I a "new" fan?
You could be right. At the same time though, I can't help but look at all these alterations to Trek and be reminded of that stupid Brand New Day storyline in recent Spider-Man comics where Peter and Mary Jane's marriage was erased from continuity.
Now, if they went and put all the original Trek stuff out of print, that would be cause to bitch, but obviously that's not going to happen. So I'll enjoy both "universes."
I love that song, of course, but please tell me that it's not in the movie.
How did McCoy get his nickname, 'Bones'? (am I being a pest yet?)
Not at all.
He made a comment to Kirk when they first met on the Cadet shuttle, I don't remember the line but it had something to do with bones, it stuck.
When Kirk & McCoy first meet aboard the shuttle, McCoy has a long ass monologue about all the dangers of space & how easy it is to die in it. Kirk makes the comment that Starfleet operates in outer space. McCoy says that his ex-wife got the whole damned planet in the divorce, and all he, McCoy, has left is his bones.
And, thus, the nickname is born.
The two men share a drink from McCoy's flask, and they introduced themselves to each other.
They seem to have nailed McCoy's backstory. But how he got his nickname is interesting, since "sawbones" is a common old nickname for a surgeon/doctor. All these years, I suppose we all just thought "Bones" was short for that. The things we're going to learn in this movie!
Kirk listens to it in a scene. Why can't he do that? We see Picard listening to music all the time. It actually makes sense. While Picard would be the type to listen to classical Kirk would be the type to listen to something more like the Beastie Boys. It works and is actually pretty cool sounding of an idea to me.
That's been the American way of doing things for years.
Although I do understand what you're saying. I go back to watching TOS in first run. However, it's happening, and I'm going to enjoy it best I can. Call it paying homage to what's gone before while creating a true "next generation" of Star Trek. And, even if we allow ourselves the guilty pleasure of liking the movie, we'll still know "our" Trek was better. Like the Beatles compared to what these "kids" listen to today.
All I can say is: About time! Why? Someone finally alters time and it *stays* changed (Permanently writing off Vulcan was not expected, though). Yet we, with our god's eye view, get to remember that which previously unfolded and get to relive the whole saga afresh!
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Yes. :-/
So, no Amok Time. And now, no Journey to Babel, either. Oh well.
Some video from the Texas suprise...
http://trekmovie.com/2009/04/07/video-and-photos-from-surprise-star-trek-showing-in-austin-tx/
http://trekmovie.com/2009/04/07/video-and-photos-from-surprise-star-trek-showing-in-austin-tx/
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