Lt. Cmdr. Dmitri Valtane
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Twins.
In the novel "The Fearful Summons", written by ST VI scriptwriter Denny Martin Flinn, his version of Valtane (written before "Flashback" gave him a first name), is called Masoud Valtane.
Maybe he had recently transported so after he died, they just made another one since his pattern was still in the buffer....
Or, given his facial hair, there was a MU copy of him....
Or, given his facial hair, there was a MU copy of him....
ST6:TUC pretends to be a historical document of the events surrounding the Khitomer conference. "Flashback" pretends to be the feverish rantings of a mentally disturbed Tuvok, taking place in the loose framework of his twisted memories of the events surrounding the Khitomer conference. Enough said?
Many a thing "described" in "Flashback" was incorrect, as compared with ST6:TUC. But "Flashback" also made it explicit that the things "described" were memories twisted by the disease that ravaged Tuvok, and that at least some of the memories were outright false. Specifically, the deaths that were a central motif in the "memories" or dreams induced by the disease were false. So Valtane's death more or less has to be taken as false even in the context of "Flashback", let alone in the greater context.
Timo Saloniemi
Many a thing "described" in "Flashback" was incorrect, as compared with ST6:TUC. But "Flashback" also made it explicit that the things "described" were memories twisted by the disease that ravaged Tuvok, and that at least some of the memories were outright false. Specifically, the deaths that were a central motif in the "memories" or dreams induced by the disease were false. So Valtane's death more or less has to be taken as false even in the context of "Flashback", let alone in the greater context.
Timo Saloniemi
You'll also notice that in the 2nd pic there's no sign of Tuvok in the Bridge crew or is he anywhere during the same scenes in TUC. So either Tuvok was clearly hidden away in those scenes or off duty during that final shot or Tuvok's whole memory of being aboard the Excelsior is completly false and he was never there to begin with and the virus came to him some other way.
Okay so I'm not entirley serious but it is a possibility?
Okay so I'm not entirley serious but it is a possibility?
I'd take about 50% of what Tuvok's dreams put forth, and ditch about 50%.
I'd accept Tuvok on board at his given rank, and Sulu's secret mission which Kang intercepted.
But I'd discard the idea that Valtane was a lowly junior Lieutenant, or that Rand was an exalted Commander and First Officer; Tuvok probably swapped their places in his dream. I'd also discard the idea that Valtane died, since obviously he didn't. I'd reject the idea that Sulu's mission took place immediately after Praxis blew, when the movie establishes that several months had passed.
Which sort of leaves "Flashback" without any meat on the bones. But that's not a big loss IMHO.
Timo Saloniemi
I'd accept Tuvok on board at his given rank, and Sulu's secret mission which Kang intercepted.
But I'd discard the idea that Valtane was a lowly junior Lieutenant, or that Rand was an exalted Commander and First Officer; Tuvok probably swapped their places in his dream. I'd also discard the idea that Valtane died, since obviously he didn't. I'd reject the idea that Sulu's mission took place immediately after Praxis blew, when the movie establishes that several months had passed.
Which sort of leaves "Flashback" without any meat on the bones. But that's not a big loss IMHO.
Timo Saloniemi
I just dismiss the whole episode as the feverish rantings of terrible Voyager writers.
They couldn't even get the time frame right - the episode claims the excelsior went on its rescue mission two days after Praxis blew up. TUC doesn't take place until months after Praxis blew up. How hard was that to research?
They couldn't even get the time frame right - the episode claims the excelsior went on its rescue mission two days after Praxis blew up. TUC doesn't take place until months after Praxis blew up. How hard was that to research?
RobertScorpio
Pariah
This represents the opposing state of mind of two different groups.
When it got to "tribe" time ISB & co. took great pride in their work an gave the Tribbles scrip much respect and TLC.
Braga & co. took the scrip for TUC out and pissed on it.
When it got to "tribe" time ISB & co. took great pride in their work an gave the Tribbles scrip much respect and TLC.
Braga & co. took the scrip for TUC out and pissed on it.
Twins.
In the novel "The Fearful Summons", written by ST VI scriptwriter Denny Martin Flinn, his version of Valtane (written before "Flashback" gave him a first name), is called Masoud Valtane.
And for some reason, going by the "group shot" on Excelsior's bridge at the end of ST VI, Masoud doesn't mind that his captain's reckless, illegal, against-orders and unsuccessful hijacking of the ship to rescue his personal friend--which would have thrown interstellar relations into chaos if it had succeeded--got his brother killed?
^^ and Tuvok would be the last to admit it!
You're gonna believe the fevered mind of a Vulcan, in which Captain Sulu gets to talk to Captain Janeway, and Janeway gets to slug Janice Rand, steal her jacket, and wear it?
Valtane died on the bridge, but was later revived in Sickbay and put back on duty quickly because of... okay, further than that, I got nothing.
^^ reliving her life on the original 1701?? 
ZING!
sorry, couldn't resist
ZING!sorry, couldn't resist
This, I mean I remmebr thinking it wasn't that hard to go out and buy the VHS of Star Trek VI at the and well I dunno actually watch it to ensure your script falls into place.
It was sloppy and just horrible, I tend to dismiss it.
^^It was a good idea, had it been executed properly (the idea being to tie in Tuvok's long Starfleet career with Voyager and one of the TOS movies).
Oh I agree, if only
