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Rank the TNG relaunch novels (with respect)

But I deemed that necessary due to the nature of the beast. GTTS had to be a couple of things. It had to work as a resolution to the arc of the previous novels, and that meant filling in some gaps and resolving some apparent discrepancies in order to show how the arc formed a cohesive whole. It also had to work as a lead-in to Destiny, something that could effectively bring people up to speed even if they hadn't read what came before. Also, because of what was happening to the Borg in Destiny, GTTS was probably the last chance to revisit and resolve some lingering threads and mysteries surrounding the Borg. Each one of those individually created a need for exposition and recap, and I'm afraid that cumulatively it ended up being a bit much.

Not to presume to tell anybody how to do their job, but I wonder if other methods of presentation were considered (and dismissed, and if so for what reason). To me, the three big offenders is terms of constipated chunks were the Recent History of Federation/Borg Clashes, the Recent History of the Enterprise Crew, and the History of Hugh's Liberated/Unimatrix Zero Rebels. As I was reading through the first two, I wondered if it might not have been better to put all that recapping outside the narrative per se at the beginning of the book, a sort of "Previously on Star Trek: The Next Generation" thing (too off-putting to potential buyers to have such a large summary at the beginning, perhaps?). Hugh's history had to be part of the narrative, and I appreciated that an attempt was made to make it more dynamic via conversation and some of the back and forth, but I wish it had been done via a series flashbacks instead, breaking off in the briefing at one chapter, then progressing through the foundation of Hugh's society, the arrival of the rebels, falling in love, detecting the Einstein, etc, then picking back up in the briefing at the beginning of the next chapter, the preceeding chapter being Hugh's dramatized exposition to Picard and Co. On the other hand, this probably would have required the book be longer, and perhaps disrupted the pacing of the book with its otherwise large chapters.

Fictitiously yours, Trent Roman
 
Greater than the Sum
Q&A
Before Dishonor
Death in Winter
Resistance
 
GTTS
Q&A
Before Dishonor (I tried twice and both times only made it like 50 pages through before giving up)
Never read:
Resistance
Death in Winter
 
Not to presume to tell anybody how to do their job, but I wonder if other methods of presentation were considered (and dismissed, and if so for what reason). To me, the three big offenders is terms of constipated chunks were the Recent History of Federation/Borg Clashes, the Recent History of the Enterprise Crew, and the History of Hugh's Liberated/Unimatrix Zero Rebels. As I was reading through the first two, I wondered if it might not have been better to put all that recapping outside the narrative per se at the beginning of the book, a sort of "Previously on Star Trek: The Next Generation" thing (too off-putting to potential buyers to have such a large summary at the beginning, perhaps?).

That would've been worse. Ideally the way to handle exposition is to make it an integral part of the story, make it part of something that serves some purpose other than exposition. For instance, you can include it in a scene that reveals something about a character's personality or conflict with another character -- leaven it with drama or emotion. Or humor, or sex, or something that lets the reader take more away from the passage than just information. (For instance, Analog editor Stanley Schmidt suggests that a good way to make exposition interesting is to have one character probing for information from another character who's reluctant to reveal it, so that there's dramatic tension in the scene.)

With the crew history stuff, for instance, I was trying to make it a scene that was about Jean-Luc Picard, where he was emotionally with regard to his crew, and why. So the infodump wasn't just an infodump, it was a litany of the lengthy chain of problems that had led Picard to the point where he was uncertain he could ever recapture the effectiveness and rapport of his old crew. Although, granted, it didn't turn out as smoothly as I'd hoped.

As for the Borg briefing, I didn't have any such single unifying theme, but I still tried to filter it through character, with regard to things like Beverly's concern about Picard's reaction to the new Borg threat, Worf's mistrust of T'Ryssa Chen and annoyance at the Frankenstein nickname, etc. It wasn't a strongly character-driven scene, but at least it had character "business" to liven it up some.

I think that if you're bored by reading exposition in those forms, with character or tension or humor to leaven it, it would be far more boring to read it as just unbroken exposition. And then people might not read it, and that would defeat the purpose of having exposition in the first place.


Hugh's history had to be part of the narrative, and I appreciated that an attempt was made to make it more dynamic via conversation and some of the back and forth, but I wish it had been done via a series flashbacks instead, breaking off in the briefing at one chapter, then progressing through the foundation of Hugh's society, the arrival of the rebels, falling in love, detecting the Einstein, etc, then picking back up in the briefing at the beginning of the next chapter, the preceeding chapter being Hugh's dramatized exposition to Picard and Co. On the other hand, this probably would have required the book be longer, and perhaps disrupted the pacing of the book with its otherwise large chapters.

I simply didn't have time or room for that. I was on a very tight deadline.
 
To those saying that GTTS suffers from an excess of recap or infodump:

You're right. It does.

But I deemed that necessary due to the nature of the beast. GTTS had to be a couple of things. It had to work as a resolution to the arc of the previous novels, and that meant filling in some gaps and resolving some apparent discrepancies in order to show how the arc formed a cohesive whole. It also had to work as a lead-in to Destiny, something that could effectively bring people up to speed even if they hadn't read what came before.

And you did well!

I have skipped a lot of the other relaunch books, because the first few titles of the "A Time To..." series didn't do it for me and I turned away from Star Trek literature althogether for quite a while after that.

So I had only read your premiere Titan book 'Taking Wing' and had 'Death in Winter' slumbering on my amazon.de wishlist for an eternity, when I first heard about Destiny and felt the wish to read that trilogy.

A friendly face over at another Star Trek forum (thanks, Mac!) knowing of my issues with recent Star Trek novels recommended reading 'GTTS' as a lead-in, as it featured an interesting storyline, had a completely fresh and interesting character I might like (Chen!) and was able to sum up all things that had come before nicely.

The book did for me exactly what it was supposed to do. Everything that made it weaker in the eyes of most readers that had read all other relaunch titles before, actually came to my benefit.

So I say thank you, Mr. Bennett :) Even though you wouldn't necessarily wanted to do it the way you had to do it, you did it well!
 
And you did well!

Thank you.

So I had only read your premiere Titan book 'Taking Wing'

Not mine. Andy Mangels & Mike Martin wrote Taking Wing and its followup The Red King. I came aboard for Orion's Hounds, and again for the upcoming Over a Torrent Sea.


A friendly face over at another Star Trek forum (thanks, Mac!) knowing of my issues with recent Star Trek novels recommended reading 'GTTS' as a lead-in, as it featured an interesting storyline, had a completely fresh and interesting character I might like (Chen!) and was able to sum up all things that had come before nicely.

The book did for me exactly what it was supposed to do. Everything that made it weaker in the eyes of most readers that had read all other relaunch titles before, actually came to my benefit.

Good to hear. Still, I wish I'd done a better job serving both audiences.
 
Good to hear. Still, I wish I'd done a better job serving both audiences.
Either way, I think it was a difficult assignment; "solve all of this stuff in a way that makes sense in a really short period of time...ok GO!"

I definitely have my problems with the book, but I can understand it, and I think the universe makes much more sense with it published, so it's good to have. I just think of it more as a reference book with a moral, and less as a story :lol:
 
1 - Before Dishonor
2 - Q&A (sorry, but finally killing Janeway nudges it over)
3 - Resistance
999999 - GTTS

not counting - Death in Winter, will wait til I read it to rank it.
 
1. Q and A: A great read, probably the best Q story I've read. The only thing I didn't like was that it's scope was a little too big. Saving the galaxy is one thing, saving the universe is quite another. Definitely up to Krad's usual high standards.

2. Greater Than the Sum: I loved this book. T'Ryssa is the kind of character I usually despise, and Christopher actually made me like her. On the "infodump" if that is what we're calling it, while I recognized it for what it was, I enjoyed it. Think about the huge mess that Christopher was left to clean up after Before Dishonor! He did it well. What I didn't like was Crusher browbeating Picard into having a child. I know that wasn't the intent, but it felt like that to me.

3. Death in Winter: Good book, not great. I didn't see any need to include the Stargazer characters and I think they actually hurt the book by being there. I must admit that I have never cared for them. Still decent reading though.

4. Resistance: I don't think it was as bad as some people make it out to be. It was pretty generic though. Kind of like the book equivalent of eating a rice cake. Not much there. So obvious that the new characters were only there to die.

5. Before Dishonor: I strongly disliked everything about this book. Edited for "respect".
 
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Since I didn't read Resistance, and only read about 50 pages of BD I really appreciated all the recaping, althought now that I think about it I can see where people who just read the other two would be annoyed by it.
 
Haven't finished the Destiny trilogy yet, so my rankings will be incomplete:

1. Resistance: Nave was a bit of a Mary Sue, but this is the only TNG-R book that I really tore through. It had some surprising twists and turns along the way. I also liked T'Lana's characterization best in this book. The insights into the Borg were pretty cool, and they came across as pretty vicious.

2. Greater than the Sum: A solid book that kept the Borg menacing but almost totally in the background. CB also created a character that normally one would like to hate but I didn't. I found her refreshing. I also like how GTTS cleaned up the much of the mess left by Before Dishonor. CB did a good job with the alien(s) lifeform and how the crew interacted with it.

3. Death in Winter: This book was hated on a lot in the forums it seemed, but when I finally read it, I didn't see why. I thought it was a solid story that did a good job setting up the rest of the TNG-R, finally gave me the Picard-Crusher pairing I've been wanting, and better Romulan intrigue than NEM could ever dream of.

4. Destiny Part 1: A very good start to the series. The TNG, Titan, Columbia, and Aventine characters really felt like real people, very relatable. DM also created a great species in the Caeliar, a frustrating, fascinating, and alien people.

5. Q & A: Well written, KRAD's depiction of Q was spot on, but I just never got this book. It seemed like there was a massive build up to the end of the universe or whatever, and then it just happened all of a sudden and nothing really was affected or changed it seemed.

6. Before Dishonor: PAD how could you? He did such a wonderful job in Vendetta, I had very high hopes for this one. But it pretty much disappointed me in every way, except I liked Grim Vargo. The Borg became cartoonish, Calhoun and Spock were shoe-horned in, and it seemed like PAD let his excesses get the best of him with this novel.

Currently reading Destiny Book 2
 
3. Death in Winter: This book was hated on a lot in the forums it seemed, but when I finally read it, I didn't see why.
Wasn't it this book that sparked the whole "Why won't the editors grow a pair and kill a major character for real?" bitchfest that preceded Before Dishonor?
 
LOL. I seem to remember seeing a "re-energizing" of the theme at the time but I think it had been going on for a looooong time before.
 
I'm just starting to get into the Re-Launch, since alot of booksellers are going out of business where I live they are selling for 50% off, so I figured it was time I read at least the TNG series, so I bought all of them for like $20 new.

I am currently trying to stay away from spoilers, but it happens now and then, I was just wondering one thing though.

Why is everyone rating Resistance so low? I'm about half-way through it and think it's pretty good. To be honest though, I don't read Trek to get a great literary experience, I read it to be entertained. Maybe I'm just so far outside of Trek lit that it doesn't matter at this point, I don't know.

Just curious, I look forward to the rest of the books, and getting into the DS9 re-launch. Just finnished Section 31, now just have to find, Book 3 & 4 Mission Gamma without having to give up my first born son.
 
To be honest though, I don't read Trek to get a great literary experience, I read it to be entertained.

I've heard this statement before, and I cannot express my disagreement loudly enough :klingon: :scream:

Trek Lit IS (or SHOULD BE) a great literary experience! It has, as a tapestry, all the makings of great literature (especially in the last decade or so), and there are some shining examples (such as Vanguard, DS9R and Destiny) of great sci-fi, not to mention great works of fiction.

Labeling Trek Lit (and all media tie-ins, for that matter) as work(s) of lesser or no literary quality is quite narrow minded IMHO.
 
Maybe I should clarify what I mean by that statement. I don't expect to be profoundly challenged or have some sort of epiphany about things when reading Star Trek.

I read Star Wars in the same way, in which I enjoy alot of the books that 99% of people hate because I take it for what it is.

These books are entertaining to me, and I keep them on my shelf. But I treat these as like I'm watching an episode. I don't expect great characterization in one book, but over a series of them, etc.
 
1. Q&A. Strong character work. Perhaps a bit too light-hearted, but that's not a big problem given the premise.
2. Greater Than the Sum. Again, good character work. Ranked behind Q&A because of the abovementioned recapping and the fact that the "family" theme didn't have as much impact on me as it did on some. (No fault of the author's - I'm just not a family person.)
3. Death in Winter. Interesting premise, but I expected more emotional impact from Picard and Crusher finally getting together. An enjoyable if not very stand-out story,
4. Resistance. Weak characterizations, odd plot twists. Did manage to keep the suspense up, and thus ranked above
5. Before Dishonor. If I have trouble finishing a book, something is REALLY wrong. I'll charitably call this a disaster.
 
Maybe I should clarify what I mean by that statement. I don't expect to be profoundly challenged or have some sort of epiphany about things when reading Star Trek.

I read Star Wars in the same way, in which I enjoy alot of the books that 99% of people hate because I take it for what it is.

These books are entertaining to me, and I keep them on my shelf. But I treat these as like I'm watching an episode. I don't expect great characterization in one book, but over a series of them, etc.

without coming off too harsh, I think you were perfectly clear in your first post. I do think that you should read any and all fiction (incl. sci-fi. media tie-ins etc) with the intent of learning something new, feel challenged, etc. The fact that these books are "just" Star Trek, does not (or rather should not) diminish your expectations of them, and we, as readers, should hold these works to a highr standard.

By the way, I believe that this has been occuring in the last few years, hence the overall quality of the Trek Lit franchise.
 
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